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100 fishing + 100 cooking
By Mareo 2010-06-19 20:22:06
Btw, if people don't believe there is a fish that NPCs for 25k+ in addition to my post for those that don't know about this fish, have a look see at the resale price. http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Matsya
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By Leviathan.Dubont 2010-06-19 20:25:08
Mareo said: Btw, if people don't believe there is a fish that NPCs for 25k in addition to my post for those that don't know about this fish, have a look see at the resale price. http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Matsya the problem with this though is that it requires expendable bait that isn't necessarily obtained in abundance easily. Still a good find though if you have the extra rare/ex bait to throw around.
By Mareo 2010-06-19 20:36:11
Yes, but it can be easily obtained by Trading Cave Cherax for inside the belly quest, 23.2% is pretty decent drop rate from them. If you take this route its quite profitable. Just gotta put in a lil time for the dime. ^.^ happy fishing
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2010-06-19 20:44:33
I have 100 cooking 60 synergy and working on finishing up finishing to 100 soon.
I'm not rich beyond any means of the word so don't misunderstand.
I am never ever... EVER... broke in this game. I can typically buy anything i want or need within reason all day every day.
Cooking and Alchemy are crafts that will always make decent money because consumables are not recycled in the economy like gear is.
It just requires a ***ton of mules if you mass produce like i do.
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By Siren.Itachi 2010-06-19 21:02:44
much appreciated everyone for the instant feedback. its given me alot to consider. When I find i have sufficient time to invest in fishing/cooking I might just go into it.
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By Mareo 2010-06-19 22:59:26
To Itachi it doesn't really cost a lot to get cooking to 100, i spent maybe 1M-1.5M on it you just gotta craft during good moon phases and when ya get to 99-100 synthesis just buy a ton of Rolenberry from NPC in upper jeuno and head to the crawlers nest an kill pop NM Crawlers an start collecting Aged versions of Rolenberrys to pop The Teir Family of Crawlers that all lead to 1 crawler the Ghost crawler named "Awd Goggie" 100% drop of royal jelly the much needed item for ya 99-100 synthesis Cursed Soup...took me about 23-30 Royal jellys to get to 99-100...so happy hunting :D
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By Leviathan.Terriel 2010-06-19 23:38:05
Bismarck.Magnumatic said: There is not much profit in any of the crafts.
You're simply making the gil back that you blew getting the craft to 100!
To an extent, and that is the break-even point. I'd actually be curious to see what the payback period would be for someone who took a craft to 100 using the most common AH or NPC sellable products. Obviously there's a lot of discrepancy based on breaks, varying AH prices, etc., but a rough number would provide some insight.
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By Leviathan.Dubont 2010-06-19 23:46:33
It depends on the craft. For fishing, the break even point, if you don't buy your lu shangs, is after about a day of fishing anything Nebimonite or higher...I paid 2mil for 5000 moat carp for my lu shangs. I make 2 mil easily within a week. I would have to say, I am way past my break even point.
For cooking, it say it would take maybe 2-3 weeks depending on what you made/sold and how much of it you made/sold.
The main 3 crafts, Gold smithing/smithing/cloth, I'd say it would take...months maybe? Alchemy wouldn't be too long..unless you ONLY bought the materials and didn't keep anything from parties etc. Leather...I'm not too sure of..maybe 2-3 months?
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By Leviathan.Terriel 2010-06-20 00:14:01
Yea, if I've got some time I'll probably make a spreadsheet for cooking and maybe fishing too.
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By Siren.Itachi 2010-06-20 01:33:04
one more question: which should i take to 100 first? I can buy a lu shangs right now imediatly for 3mil and go skill up, or I can just poor the funds into skillin up cooking.
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By Leviathan.Dubont 2010-06-20 01:36:19
you won't need a lu shangs until 50+...thats when you will notice a difference. The good part is, during each cap cycle, there is at least 1 profitable fish. Moat carp till 11 (i think) Yellow globe till 17-18 Nebimonite till 27 bluetail till 55 etc etc.
Also, you could fish using a halcyon rod and skillup till a lu shang is needed WHILE leveling cooking. This way you will make some money as you lose money >.> just incase you don't get break even synths
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By Asura.Tygon 2010-06-20 07:19:21
Stnick said: He also said you should have 5/5 zanshin attack rate merits.
you lie!
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By Bismarck.Magnumatic 2010-06-20 10:44:55
I didn't say you couldn't make gil from a craft.
I said there wasn't GOOD money to be made in it.
If you're happy calling 10m's GOOD gil, then go you!
Our definitions of "Good Money" are obviously very different.
You don't make 100,000,000s Crafting. (I'm not saying it isn't possible)
You make that kinda cash running an endgame shell.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-06-20 11:11:48
So wait, your suggestion is everyone should run an end game shell?
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By Bismarck.Magnumatic 2010-06-20 11:15:04
Sylph.Kimble said: So wait, your suggestion is everyone should run an end game shell?
That would be absurd.
I was defending my statement:
"Crafting makes gil, but NOT 'Good gil'"
I don't think anyone would argue that crafting makes good gil when compared to running a shell.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-06-20 11:19:26
Let's not turn this into a debate over semantics :P
You'd be hard put to make a hundred million with cooking
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-06-20 13:46:29
Actually, along the lines of cooking.
My mule has 91 cooking and id like to finish it to 100, what would be the best route to get the last 9 levels?
By Odin.Upbeat 2010-06-20 13:53:44
With 100 fishing and a Ebisu fishing rod, I think I can make pretty "good" gil.
Nothing insane, however in 3 months I was able to make all 42mil I needed to buy a Kraken club.
But that was mostly due to how many people where trying to make a Ebisu at the time, and I was fishing for hours every day.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-06-20 14:18:24
Sylph.Kimble said: Actually, along the lines of cooking.
My mule has 91 cooking and id like to finish it to 100, what would be the best route to get the last 9 levels?
Hedgehog pies till cap, 94 I think. Rice dumplings to 95 or you can start on those before you cap on hedgehog pies.
I then did some sea bass croute till 97ish. Sweet rice cakes which are a total pain because of a lack of mats on AH to 98-99, then red curry to 100.
I wouldn't bother with cursed soup since you can make red curry buns from the red curry which you can HQ and sell well. I made a profit out of it after wasting a ton of time farming royal jelly.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-06-20 14:24:48
Hmm, that sounds good, would you farm King Truffle in the Nest or the Subterrane?
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-06-20 14:26:31
Sylph.Kimble said: Hmm, that sounds good, would you farm King Truffle in the Nest or the Subterrane?
I farmed in the nest because my THF was pretty fail. Depending on price, I'd just buy them, the croute NPCs back for a fair bit and I don't think I lost much gil.
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By Leviathan.Dubont 2010-06-20 14:35:24
Odin.Upbeat said: With 100 fishing and a Ebisu fishing rod, I think I can make pretty "good" gil.
Nothing insane, however in 3 months I was able to make all 42mil I needed to buy a Kraken club.
But that was mostly due to how many people where trying to make a Ebisu at the time, and I was fishing for hours every day. with an Ebisu, its possible to make over 5mil a day...I'd say thats a little more than "good" gil...You can make ALMOST that with a Lu shangs, but you have a high chance of the Lu breaking..
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-06-20 14:35:40
Going to need a lot of truffle for pies and croute XD.
Doesnt seem to be on the AH often ;/
By Odin.Upbeat 2010-06-20 14:44:32
Please tell me how you can make 5mil a day lol.
I must be doing it wrong, If I fish for 10 hours or so I'm lucky to catch around 60 fish, then sell them for 20k each.
to make 5mil a day let's say you pull in all 200(Will never happen... EVER) they still need to sell for 25,000 each.
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By Leviathan.Dubont 2010-06-20 14:46:43
Odin.Upbeat said: Please tell me how you can make 5mil a day lol.
I must be doing it wrong, If I fish for 10 hours or so I'm lucky to catch around 60 fish, then sell them for 20k each.
to make 5mil a day let's say you pull in all 200(Will never happen... EVER) they still need to sell for 25,000 each.
there is a fish that sells to NPC for a little over 25k each. Also...I pull in 200 fish/day/character on 2 different characters >.> Without an Ebisu and without being skill 100, I still make a little over 400k/day..
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By Quetzalcoatl.Vintaru 2010-06-20 14:51:22
Leviathan.Dubont said: Odin.Upbeat said: With 100 fishing and a Ebisu fishing rod, I think I can make pretty "good" gil.
Nothing insane, however in 3 months I was able to make all 42mil I needed to buy a Kraken club.
But that was mostly due to how many people where trying to make a Ebisu at the time, and I was fishing for hours every day. with an Ebisu, its possible to make over 5mil a day...I'd say thats a little more than "good" gil...You can make ALMOST that with a Lu shangs, but you have a high chance of the Lu breaking.. Stop talking about fishing for Matsya until you know how difficult they are to obtain. There is no way to make 5M from these fish daily, impossible without several accounts botting the bait you'd need, daily. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about and shouldn't post until you do. You're making yourself look stupid. Typing letters to compile sentences and hitting the "Submit" button does not make you look cool...
By Odin.Upbeat 2010-06-20 14:52:11
Have you ever tried to catch a Matsya? they are far from easy to pull up, I've never even caught one, and I have used at least 5 or 6 stacks of bait... Matsya sound good for profit but tbh they blow.
200 fish to pull in per day isn't hard for most fish, But once you get Ebisu rod and you start to catch Lik and Gugrusarus(The fish that bring in gil) you'll know, catching 200 of them in 1 day just pure and simple is not possible.
400k/day and 5mil/day are nothing close at all.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-06-20 14:52:20
If you are catching dils and merc, I can see 260k a day, how are you making over 400k? o.o
And I think those fish that sell for 25k a piece are pretty much a pain in the *** to catch.
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By Leviathan.Dubont 2010-06-20 15:01:32
Sylph.Kimble said: If you are catching dils and merc, I can see 260k a day, how are you making over 400k? o.o
And I think those fish that sell for 25k a piece are pretty much a pain in the *** to catch. Megaladon. Over 200k per character.
is there good money to be made combining the two?
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