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By Virtuosus 2010-05-17 14:39:38
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I just hit 75 BLU about 2 days ago, trying to work on my Vorpal set currently, here's what I have right now:



I don't have amazing gear, it's mostly Walmart stuff and whatever else I was able to throw together. Now, what I'm asking for is suggestions on how I should be gearing for Vorpal, I was told Accuracy/Attack because it's a multi-hit, because STR affects it to a less degree apparently. Please let me know if I'm wrong.

Also, I know there are some obvious upgrades I can make. Rings > Lava's/Kusha's. Legs > AF2/Enkidu's/Denali. Feet > Rutter Sabatons. Head > Optical Hat/Enkidu's. Earring > Suppanomimi. But don't really have immediate access to any of those atm, unless I can get a group for O.Hat or do DM over again. (God damn me for choosing Abyssal) Don't really know what I should be using for hands, are there any easy to get gear for this that I might be overlooking? If so, please do point out.
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By MisterRyu 2010-05-17 14:46:25
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I'm not too sure on what all blu can wear, so I wouldn't be able to make any decent suggestions w/o going over all the possibilities, but I wanted to comment on Ohat.

You shouldn't have to do a /shout group for it these days. brd/drk, whm/drk, rdm/drk, dd/nin dd/nin should be able to take the NM just fine. Could probably do it without the whm as well, but good to have 3 stuns just in case.
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By Virtuosus 2010-05-17 14:48:35
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Was thinking of just duoing it RDM/NIN x2 or get a BST friend to help me, but I just can't be f***ed to get a cluster mostly. I do have Homam Head, but I don't think 5 Acc > 3STR/4DEX?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn 2010-05-17 14:54:06
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enkidu's mitts are sweet for vorpal if not best i would think. 5acc 4str/dex, should add to list for stuff you might want.

Personally im a bit outdated as to current ah gear but i think there are a pair of 12 atk mitts blu can use. As it is your dex is at a negative -1 just using that gear. Also blu can wear dusk so dusk pants have 10 acc i believe? might let you macro in a bit more atk/str in another slot maybe. Not many choices until you can get your hands on the better stuff i think. Someone else might have better input.
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By Virtuosus 2010-05-17 14:58:23
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Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn said:
enkidu's mitts are sweet for vorpal if not best i would think. 5acc 4str/dex, should add to list for stuff you might want.

Personally im a bit outdated as to current ah gear but i think there are a pair of 12 atk mitts blu can use. As it is your dex is at a negative -1 just using that gear. Also blu can wear dusk so dusk pants have 10 acc i believe? might let you macro in a bit more atk/str in another slot maybe. Not many choices until you can get your hands on the better stuff i think. Someone else might have better input.

Ah, yeah. Last Mamool didn't drop. Thanks for reminding me, Tarasque Mitts +1 should definitely outdo Pallas I'd think. Dusk Legs are ATK+14, totally ignored the existance of those too. Thanks alot on the input.
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2010-05-17 15:03:13
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Virtuosus said:
Was thinking of just duoing it RDM/NIN x2 or get a BST friend to help me, but I just can't be f***ed to get a cluster mostly. I do have Homam Head, but I don't think 5 Acc > 3STR/4DEX?
u need stun for his agas
ive done it as pld/nin, sam/thf(x2),rdm/drk(x2),whm/sch

pld/nin can eat all the single tier nukes/am and rdm/drks rotate stuns on agas and whm is there for para etc

but would think enkidus set would have some decent gear for vorpal if u can get some pops for ZNM
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By Cerberus.Hiryo 2010-05-17 15:06:08
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I use Assault Jerkin for my body as well, +18 atk is nice, as we usually eat Sole Sushi anyway
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By Asura.Dameshi 2010-05-17 15:06:34
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Go for the Denali Gamashes. That's all I know, I'm a noob :P
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By Remora.Brain 2010-05-17 15:14:35
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Don't know the stats on your Erlking's but work on Perdu.

Head: Wor on O.Hat/Enkidu, or if you're like me and eat sushi, Gnadbhod's helm since you need less ACC.

Earrrings: Work on an Aesir Ear Pendant if you don't have Suppa. I personally don't have a Suppa since I also chose DRK. I happen to have an Apocalypse though lol.

Body: Work on Either Hauby Mirke or Enkidu's Harness.

Hands: Get some Tarasque Mitts(+1) and work on Enkidu's.

Ring: LAva's/Kusha's, Save for the 7 acc rings, Rajas, etc. Hell can spam ACP final fight, or join a VNM group and get in line for Strigoi and Zilant rings.

Belt: Virtuoso is awesome, though if your ACC is too high, consider Sword+1/Fierce, or Warwolf.

Legs: Relic legs, Enkidu's, or Dusk Trousers are all good here.

Feet: Denali Feet work great.


ACC/ATK are extremely important for Multihits. I normally eat Sushi for merits so my ACC is usually a bit overcapped. If yours is overcapped as well, consider dropping ACC pieces to gain larger chunks of ATK. If your ATK is being buffs by PT buffs like Min x2, consider going for Mods like STR, and to a lesser extent DEX (dex affects crit rate and Vorpal can crit naturally).
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By Virtuosus 2010-05-17 15:18:44
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Remora.Brain said:
Don't know the stats on your Erlking's but work on Perdu.

Head: Wor on O.Hat/Enkidu, or if you're like me and eat sushi, Gnadbhod's helm since you need less ACC.

Earrrings: Work on an Aesir Ear Pendant if you don't have Suppa. I personally don't have a Suppa since I also chose DRK. I happen to have an Apocalypse though lol.

Body: Work on Either Hauby Mirke or Enkidu's Harness.

Hands: Get some Tarasque Mitts( 1) and work on Enkidu's.

Ring: LAva's/Kusha's, Save for the 7 acc rings, Rajas, etc. Hell can spam ACP final fight, or join a VNM group and get in line for Strigoi and Zilant rings.

Belt: Virtuoso is awesome, though if your ACC is too high, consider Sword 1/Fierce, or Warwolf.

Legs: Relic legs, Enkidu's, or Dusk Trousers are all good here.

Feet: Denali Feet work great.


ACC/ATK are extremely important for Multihits. I normally eat Sushi for merits so my ACC is usually a bit overcapped. If yours is overcapped as well, consider dropping ACC pieces to gain larger chunks of ATK. If your ATK is being buffs by PT buffs like Min x2, consider going for Mods like STR, and to a lesser extent DEX (dex affects crit rate and Vorpal can crit naturally).

Thanks for the input. Unfortunately BLU can't wear Haub lol, and I settled for a shitty DMG+3 Acc+6 Macc+3, woulda liked +4/5 but couldn't get any higher. Currently doing MMM for Koggel, and as for Perdu I'm only PFC, my old character is long gone so working back up the assault ranks is a real b****.
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By Cerberus.Hiryo 2010-05-17 15:21:37
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Virtuosus said:
Remora.Brain said:
Don't know the stats on your Erlking's but work on Perdu.

Head: Wor on O.Hat/Enkidu, or if you're like me and eat sushi, Gnadbhod's helm since you need less ACC.

Earrrings: Work on an Aesir Ear Pendant if you don't have Suppa. I personally don't have a Suppa since I also chose DRK. I happen to have an Apocalypse though lol.

Body: Work on Either Hauby Mirke or Enkidu's Harness.

Hands: Get some Tarasque Mitts( 1) and work on Enkidu's.

Ring: LAva's/Kusha's, Save for the 7 acc rings, Rajas, etc. Hell can spam ACP final fight, or join a VNM group and get in line for Strigoi and Zilant rings.

Belt: Virtuoso is awesome, though if your ACC is too high, consider Sword 1/Fierce, or Warwolf.

Legs: Relic legs, Enkidu's, or Dusk Trousers are all good here.

Feet: Denali Feet work great.


ACC/ATK are extremely important for Multihits. I normally eat Sushi for merits so my ACC is usually a bit overcapped. If yours is overcapped as well, consider dropping ACC pieces to gain larger chunks of ATK. If your ATK is being buffs by PT buffs like Min x2, consider going for Mods like STR, and to a lesser extent DEX (dex affects crit rate and Vorpal can crit naturally).

Thanks for the input. Unfortunately BLU can't wear Haub lol, and I settled for a shitty DMG 3 Acc 6 Macc 3, woulda liked 4/5 but couldn't get any higher. Currently doing MMM for Koggel, and as for Perdu I'm only PFC, my old character is long gone so working back up the assault ranks is a real b****.


He meant one with ACC / ATK +10.
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By Virtuosus 2010-05-17 15:23:50
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Cerberus.Hiryo said:
He meant one with ACC / ATK 10.

Ahh, read too fast, oops.
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By Leviathan.Abriel 2010-05-17 16:32:19
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I wouldn't waste the mirke like that unless you also have mnk and don't plan to get usukane.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-17 16:49:03
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1. Accuracy should be more than fine on blu. If not your already doing blu wrong.

Weapons: perdu, koggles, trial of the magian one

MKE head,

Your acc should be fine so like something else for body. Like af (+1). Mirke, enkidus. AJ if you can I guess


Creek or enkidus for hands. Those gloves are killing your crits badly.

Rajas+ str ring

legs enkidus, idk relic or dusk or something not alot of good options.

Haven't really done the numbers but maybe cuchulain mantle over foragers
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By Remora.Brain 2010-05-17 17:20:26
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I wouldn't really call mirke Hauby a waste of a Mirke. It's more Flexible than the ACC+10/DW Mirke, at least until BLU gets native DW. It is however only a small step up from Enkidu's. Since we're talking about BLU, I'm talking about BLU specific Mirkes.

As for Cuchulain's, that's a toss up. If your ACC is already good, the Forager's should be a lot better, especially since BLU is rather weak pDIF wise.
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2010-05-17 17:29:56
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I wouldn't really call mirke Hauby a waste of a Mirke. It's more Flexible than the ACC 10/DW Mirke, at least until BLU gets native DW. It is however only a small step up from Enkidu's. Since we're talking about BLU, I'm talking about BLU specific Mirkes.

As for Cuchulain's, that's a toss up. If your ACC is already good, the Forager's should be a lot better, especially since BLU is rather weak pDIF wise.

Suppanomimi adds an attack round to 100 for most BLU, which isn't made up by the delay reduction, so I find it hard to believe Mirke w/ Dual wield would be any good with anything but STP as the secondary, in which case it has no benefit over Nashira. Also, I don't think BLU will get native Dual-wield, but I was wrong about fast cast, if anything I think X-Attack would come as our next trait. Personally unless BLU ONLY then I think Mirke is a waste, because there is now equal Fast Cast gear, theres always been equal/better haste and accuracy gear. If BLU onry the ONLY augment I can see even somewhat worthwile is Acc/Attk because it's better aswell as relatively easier to get than Enkidu's. Sorry, had to touch on this, but on topic;

Mirke with Acc AND Attk only, or Enkidu's is nice, if you have neither AF (+1) body is fine, basic Acc gear, Ohat etc; all the enkidu's is very nice, denali feet are too, Potent Belt or Virtuoso, the Acc or Attk line of mantles both suit this nicely. basically whatever STR and ACC you have from casting Blue Magic should work fine, except for Gorget's I don't see anything really worthwile outside of the standard BLU arsenal.

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By Remora.Brain 2010-05-17 18:02:34
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No one really gives a ***about rounds to 100tp when dual wielding because of the huge ammount of swings, allowing for more hit variations, every round attacking 2-4 times, and the Delay difference between DW Mirke and not DW really *** things up to the point where 1 hit is superfluous. People like the DW because it's a decent boost to total DoT.

Also, I do think DW is coming for BLU because SE said they wanted it to be native to Blue Mage, and since they specialize in a single hand weapons and don't really get anything in the offhand but a few sparse few shields, and only get anything good from DW, it seems very likely.

They also said they planned to add "a bunch" of new traits obtainable from spell combos, so I'm guessing DA, Killers, and at least Zanshin if not TA.
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2010-05-17 18:23:54
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Remora.Brain said:
No one really gives a ***about rounds to 100tp when dual wielding because of the huge ammount of swings, allowing for more hit variations, every round attacking 2-4 times, and the Delay difference between DW Mirke and not DW really *** things up to the point where 1 hit is superfluous. People like the DW because it's a decent boost to total DoT.

Also, I do think DW is coming for BLU because SE said they wanted it to be native to Blue Mage, and since they specialize in a single hand weapons and don't really get anything in the offhand but a few sparse few shields, and only get anything good from DW, it seems very likely.

They also said they planned to add "a bunch" of new traits obtainable from spell combos, so I'm guessing DA, Killers, and at least Zanshin if not TA.

It's not a huge amount of swings, 5% adds an "extra" swing every 20, when a standard BLU without Suppa as /NIN takes 10 to get to 100 and 11 to get to 100 with it. I'm not saying its going to *** you over, but A: it doesn't help, B: Dual Wield isn't responsible for attacking 2-4 times Brutal is and the extra attack let alone two extra attacks is rare.

Edit: We already get killers, and I doubt Triple Attack but double attack seems possible. Not trying to flame war, just trying to point out my reasons for disliking increasing Dual-Wield more. The 5 Sword Skill is about 6.5 Accuracy if I remember correctly, nice yes but you should be able to cap Accuracy without it, if not Sarabande, Accurate or Hollow earrings might be a nice addition to your TP build.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-17 19:19:07
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Also I say cuch is nice not really because of the acc so much as it has 1 more str and 4 dex and vorpal is a crit ws. The acc is just icing that might just might let you take some off somewhere else or eat meat or at least pizza. Think people over estimate attacks effect on multi hit. The only reason it is sometimes better is because some single hits get attack boost. That is the only reason
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By Siren.Kyte 2010-05-17 19:22:31
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It's not a huge amount of swings, 5% adds an "extra" swing every 20, when a standard BLU without Suppa as /NIN takes 10 to get to 100 and 11 to get to 100 with it. I'm not saying its going to *** you over, but A: it doesn't help, B: Dual Wield isn't responsible for attacking 2-4 times Brutal is and the extra attack let alone two extra attacks is rare.

Edit: We already get killers, and I doubt Triple Attack but double attack seems possible. Not trying to flame war, just trying to point out my reasons for disliking increasing Dual-Wield more. The 5 Sword Skill is about 6.5 Accuracy if I remember correctly, nice yes but you should be able to cap Accuracy without it, if not Sarabande, Accurate or Hollow earrings might be a nice addition to your TP build.

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-17 19:42:44
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Also I say cuch is nice not really because of the acc so much as it has 1 more str and 4 dex and vorpal is a crit ws. The acc is just icing that might just might let you take some off somewhere else or eat meat or at least pizza. Think people over estimate attacks effect on multi hit. The only reason it is sometimes better is because some single hits get attack boost. That is the only reason
If you're not a dDEX = 40~46 Forager's would still do more for you in acc capped situations.
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You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
No, but that's never stopped him before.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-17 19:49:28
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Also I say cuch is nice not really because of the acc so much as it has 1 more str and 4 dex and vorpal is a crit ws. The acc is just icing that might just might let you take some off somewhere else or eat meat or at least pizza. Think people over estimate attacks effect on multi hit. The only reason it is sometimes better is because some single hits get attack boost. That is the only reason
If you're not a dDEX = 40~46 Forager's would still do more for you in acc capped situations.
True but it's not like that is hard to do on blu.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn 2010-05-17 20:10:47
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Also I say cuch is nice not really because of the acc so much as it has 1 more str and 4 dex and vorpal is a crit ws. The acc is just icing that might just might let you take some off somewhere else or eat meat or at least pizza. Think people over estimate attacks effect on multi hit. The only reason it is sometimes better is because some single hits get attack boost. That is the only reason
If you're not a dDEX = 40~46 Forager's would still do more for you in acc capped situations.
True but it's not like that is hard to do on blu.

blu has a pretty crappy base dex, it is possible using sushi but i don't think its as easy as you are making it out to be unless by "not that hard" you mean going all out ?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-17 20:27:01
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Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Also I say cuch is nice not really because of the acc so much as it has 1 more str and 4 dex and vorpal is a crit ws. The acc is just icing that might just might let you take some off somewhere else or eat meat or at least pizza. Think people over estimate attacks effect on multi hit. The only reason it is sometimes better is because some single hits get attack boost. That is the only reason
If you're not a dDEX = 40~46 Forager's would still do more for you in acc capped situations.
True but it's not like that is hard to do on blu.
blu has a pretty crappy base dex, it is possible using sushi but i don't think its as easy as you are making it out to be unless by "not that hard" you mean going all out ?
Well I could still use some more peices and I'm not a mitra but here this is my current food less vorpal blade setup using my normal spell setup of mostly job traits then str. Not using dex over str anywhere. That's 40dDex on lolibri btw.

And yeah yeah I need a better neck. Probably spend my ein points on that one. Or eventually farm the ws gorget

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By Leviathan.Abriel 2010-05-17 21:09:39
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gorget!! lol, and yes, blu can easily get 110 dex (ok, may be not elvaan or galka, lol)(though going further can be a bit tough) with a normal /nin DD spell set and gear that isn't impossibly hard to get while sacrificing almost nothing concerning acc/str/atk.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-17 21:25:18
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Given that nearly everything has higher AGI than Greater Colibri, it's still not the most practical choice. For instance, Heraldic Imps have ~81 AGI. Your DEX set would fall short there by a pretty sizeable margin.

Galka have the same DEX as Hume and Taru btw.
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By Remora.Brain 2010-05-17 21:54:05
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It's not a huge amount of swings, 5% adds an "extra" swing every 20, when a standard BLU without Suppa as /NIN takes 10 to get to 100 and 11 to get to 100 with it. I'm not saying its going to *** you over, but A: it doesn't help, B: Dual Wield isn't responsible for attacking 2-4 times Brutal is and the extra attack let alone two extra attacks is rare.

Even if in some magical fairy land you always ended with 100tp in the first place, the 3% DW increases DoT and rate of TP gain


Also, we don't have all of the killer effects, and with "a lot" of new traits coming, all there really is are the remaining Killers, DA, TA, and Zanshin.


That 40dDEX pic shows how horrible a hardcore DEX build can be. The pDIR on a vorpal built like that would be pretty bad. Swapping in attack heavy pieces could easily boost atk by 50+

Attack isn't overestimated on mltihits, seconday mods are. Single hit WSs, aside from Relic WSS, all get a pretty huge attack boost, and generally have higher secondary mods, that are boosted more by the larger fTP values. Multihits usually have a fTP of 1 or less on the first hit, and then have crappier secondary mods.

5 sword skill gives 4.5 acc.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-17 22:10:30
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I can easily put in alot more dex lol. If I was actually going for the build not to mention food and such.

Anyways ftp has nothing to do with stat mods vs attack. It's just another multiplier.

Not to mention not all stat mods are equal.

Vorpal being 30% str makes it pretty good to build on. I mean each str is about .5 to base dmg until you start capping fstr. Which granted I am doing.

And well being a swd ws your base dmg is kinda low to begin with.

I really can't think of enough decent peices that would add 50 att that would actually be better than what I am using

Gnadbhod's Helm sure. Aesir Ear Pendant instead of suppa ok. Debateably foragers.

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By Leviathan.Abriel 2010-05-17 23:13:45
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the point of my post was saying that blu can load up on dex w/o specifically gearing for it (and most of that gear is already some of the best for multi-hit WSs).

as far as atk gear goes, I personally keep it to a minimum, but only because I won't touch sushi (and my inv is already capped out with just blu gear, lol). and yeah, sadly most atk gear available to blu isn't very impressive (off the top of my head are gnad.'s and forager's/amemit+1 as statad above... ... ...suppanomimi, enkidu harness and cuchulain's belt I guess, lol).
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By Remora.Brain 2010-05-18 01:06:32
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Forager's Mantle, Swordbelt+1/Fierce Belt, Dusk Trousers, Tarasque Mitts+1, Gnadbhod's helm, and Mirke Hauby/Assault Jerkin are easy to get atk pieces, and if you're on sushi you probably should be using them.

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