July 2016 Version Update

The trade off is gil, neither are cheating.

If the NM is hard enough, no amount of mulsums or panacea is going to help. It's great for those who solo difficult fights regularly, but they were doing it already with less space.

your pet still does full dps while you spam mulsum/ready, you lose ~2.5 seconds of auto rounds and 4s of special actions when you use a panacea

never mind that status effects and hp are completely different things and the closest players have to dawn mulsums are hi-elixirs(which take 10 seconds to use and lock you another 5+ after..)

Ok just destroyed this Ambuscade as WAR. Average runs were 2~3 min, got faster as we got used to it and we were carrying a melee.

RUN (tank)
WHM
GEO
COR
WAR (me)
MNK (pickup guy)

I used Blurred Polearm because Stardiver is basically the same as Resolution gear wise. Was doing 20~25K SD's on the main NM, switched to Loxotic Mace + Blurred shield for the Cockatrice and did 24K Judgment. The MNK was nearly useless in this fight.

So far it seems you want at least one strong piercing DD and another secondary DD who has several different damage types. If we had replaced the MNK with a BLU, THF, DRG, WAR, RNG it would of been faster.

As our best understanding of the game currently stands, you have that and then some. Even Lionheart RUN has more of an advantage than that if you can cap ratio, which has drawn surprisingly little discussion around here. It's an amazingly safe job that can outright ignore many of the debuffs that plague other DDs thanks to its high base meva, and emboldened Temper grants a further edge in short fights. The need for an aeonic probably keeps it out of reach for most bandwagoners, but for many here it's a relevant consideration.

If you believe that information is incorrect, I would ask that you present rigorous evidence of such inaccuracies so that we can improve our understanding of the game. I would also ask that you leave accuracy aside, at least for the short term - it's an issue for sure, but also one that we know SE is investigating. I don't want to draw premature conclusions based on information that will likely change within the next few months.

+1

I have stacks upon stack of meds in my invent, I always carry at least 3 stacks of everything I will possibly need.

As for souleater, I almost never use that. Today's whm can't handle that. I feel like mages forgot how to play since the introduction of abyssea and the atma/abyssite.


Nah, not really ranting, kinda emotionless. If anything I am just giving a reason for people to open their eyes. I know drk, I know rdm, I have a pretty solid grasp on thf, cor and rng, I have a general understanding and have played 20/22 jobs in this game, never played pup or brd. I know what jobs are capable of and I have in the past gone on rage fits over petty stuff like "specific job only" shouts.
I no longer blow a gasket over that stuff anymore, if anything I kinda feel bad for people that only see this game in one dynamic. Kinda sucks more people aren't playing how they want just on the simple fact someone tells them that jobs are not capable of things.

Ok report from the front line..

Tomahawk works... I just kicked it's *** and we ignored it's adds...

Ty Saev <3

WAR works? Damn I know someone who's going to love this update.

Assuming that is the basic version right? I'm more interested in how the Goblins are like.

Really? Very bad comparison there lol.

Is it just me or is Sam missing here? Didnt see any discussion about this here yet

You might have missed a few pages on this thread. A few people mentioned it, truth is it was a terrible idea to even add in attack bonus on any of the jobs with the exception of mnk and drg, would still take more than that to fix those jobs. Furthermore a sam can chain sc for days and hit capped sc dmg.

SAM's SC damage is super underappreciated right now. They're not only a respectable DD for simple physical damage, but they're the epitome of the modern "optimizing DPS is a group effort" design. Flexible skillchain options, nearly every WS benefits from holding TP, yet they can often WS fast enough to get in two WS before their skillchain partner gets much past 1k if needed. Simply looking at SAM's numbers in a vacuum doesn't easily convey how much it brings to the table in a party setup, nor how well it functions alongside almost any other DD.

SAM/DRK ftw
I am become Sephiroth

Tried hard not to smile, but it just came out.

They need to lower Recall and Retrace to 49 as well. WotG gets no love as it is.

It's not that it never works, or nobody would have a mythic. But some of those assaults are annoying enough that you would just think that you did something wrong if you failed a run.

I've got news for you, PUP can't really wear an ammo that gives accuracy either. SE needs to make it so you can use stuff other than oils in the ammo slot along with an animator. I guess "third-party tools" could gear swap you when doing maneuvers, but that might be beyond vanilla macros.

This. I'm on PUP and that second ring slot is usually Eponas, or I switch to an acc ring if I need that, or Dring if I'm up against something with nasty dmg. Same for neck slot. Also, I'm not the only one on Sylph who will use Twilight Torque + Dring on WHM.

Yes, and I definitely mentioned pet jobs (RNG/COR/SAM too, now that I'm thinking about it) unfortunately missing out on this piece in a previous post. It's often less of an issue for most of those jobs due to how they function (sucks for SAM though, they'd have to give up Cibitshavore), but still an unfortunate loss.

Honestly non-weapon ranged and non-weapon ammo needs to be equippable at the same time in all situations. Idc if your bst/pup wants to equip an animator and a jug pet.

Sick and tired, as a geo, of geos blinking every single cast but there's nothing we can do about it short of full-timing dunna and ignoring ranged ammos in our swaps altogether.

Dressme/blinkmenot equivalent.

would a regular warrior be effective for this months ambuscade nm? I have war leveled, and weapons skilled, but no real equip for it (i dont play war.) I only have left over stuff from drk, skirmish2 gear, that type of stuff. But my bst isnt doing as well as id hoped. (Tho i only had time to do one fight)

Sad that giving Rune this trait would have killed Paladin. Cause nobody is gonna Ragnarok paladin and maintain the defensive capabilities like Rune does. :(

Pretty sure that all jugs are BST main only, so it wouldn't apply to PUP/BST. And /PUP is weak because of lv 49 automaton and only one pet allowed. /BST charm can be fun if there's appropriate mobs, which there could be now in Adoulin areas. But then again, I'm not sure how iLvl of a non-BST main affects charm. I guess you could always try swapping in a boatload of CHR.

/lockstyle

I even ask PLDs to do it when I'm PLD's WHM because I can watch their buffs constantly if they don't blink. I'm sure they appreciate not having to constantly ask for paralyna, erase, etc

Lockstyle doesn't help with that, which is like the whole point.

Is this blinking due to casting bubbles or what? It's not due to gear swap macros? I don't play GEO so I wouldn't know.

The blinking is due to swapping from a ranged weapon not in the ranged slot, such as a handbell, to an ammo, such as a macc ammo piece. Same issue happens with NIN and shuriken > ammo for WSs.

First, yeah, because you're changing from "throwing" to ranged, it redraws your character and comes with the special effect and sound effect, if you have an indi on yourself, every damn time.

I do use dressup but that addon is constantly buggy for me and when it's not working, being on or near geos annoys me.

Secondly the BST/PUP thing was a joke before someone mentioned how having two equipped at the same time could "exploit" something.

As a PLD main, I have lockstyle on and have it macro'd to flash just in case I forget.

I'd like to know this as well. My WAR was last used when Delve was farmed for it's trash mobs, not even Tojil, but it has Ukko's and I have the ol' GA from Yorcia Delve. I feel it'd be easier to use WAR than to try finding one, but~ would it be useful without much build up?