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Merit Weaponskill 2014
Asura.Ccl said: » I don't have an apoc and I can tank anything in delve just fine as drk! Show me a non apic drk who can solo kagen, vw, or the vw multi tree. I have done both, and no, no weakened items. Reg temps and apoc, solo only. There are some things apoc drks can solo that no otber weapon can. What is the multi tree now?
Why not change to any of the 15 other jobs that solo better than Apoc drk without a relic? Who gives a *** about soloing VW to begin with?
I can solo Virvatuli as cor, aw yusss!
Played since NA release but would "never waste gil on an Apoc". I'm guessing you got into Relics pretty late in the game then?
It seems your entire argument and perspective is based on the "there can be only one" way to play this game. In that case, go play WAR, MNK or SAM, they do a lot more DMG than DRK. You might as well just retire the job, because when it comes to Zerging ***down, it pails in comparison to other jobs. That's all that counts right? Maxing dps output regardless..? You left out Skirimish, Salvage 2.0, WKR, Legion and a lot of other content in your response. Your lack of experience with Apoc turned this thread into a RAG VS APOC derail, which always seems to be the case with novice bandwagon Rag DRKS. To end the discussion and summarize this exchange, Entropy is a great ws for Apoc and non-apoc drks to have. One trick pony resolution spam DRKS will say otherwise why they pretend to be top tier dps and gimp your zerg runs. Asura.Failaras said: » Why not change to any of the 15 other jobs that solo better than Apoc drk without a relic? Who gives a *** about soloing VW to begin with? Why not change to any dd job other than DRK... quit gimping other people's runs. Might be nice for the first 3 you mentioned where you're mostly running around alone, but Legion? Why would you use Apoc in Legion, dats gimp
Valefor.Sehachan said: » Might be nice for the first 3 you mentioned where you're mostly running around alone, but Legion? Why would you use Apoc in Legion, dats gimp Let's cycle back to the original point, the original question asked:
"re evaluating my merit-able weapons based on practicality" There is nothing *practical* about the applications in which you're suggesting Apoc to be necessary. *practical* would be things that will be used on a regular basis, not some niche use that is only applicable with a Relic in low-man content. I realize how good Apoc was at 75, I played with plenty of Drks with it at 75 and yes it was a great weapon then. It hasn't been worth a second thought since Resolution came out. Heres the thing, Drk is a DD job like War, Mnk, and Sam. They have some difference and allow for some utility but they all have the same role no matter what you seem to think about Drk being a "tank". Also all the things you brought up in your things I left out you are better using Ragnarok for, so good job buddy. You seem to be a Drk stuck in the past who made a relic that was at one point good but can't accept that it is actually terrible and has absolutely no use in the current game outside of ballista, which makes you quite a novice actually.
Quote: Why not change to any dd job other than DRK... quit gimping other people's runs. To end the discussion and summarize this exchange, Apoc sucks, Entropy sucks, lets all go solo VW. Valefor.Sehachan said: » What is the multi tree now? The vw in the boyba tree spawns a pet like every 10%. You end up having the nm plus eight or so tree monsters hitting you. A drk with no apoc would die. Same for tbe tyrant ring whire vw. Apoc or die. So it has its place. It is not the best group weapon perhaps, but it can help you make gil and do much solo. Asura.Failaras said: » I realize how good Apoc was at 75, I played with plenty of Drks with it at 75 and yes it was a great weapon then. It hasn't been worth a second thought since Resolution came out. Heres the thing, Drk is a DD job like War, Mnk, and Sam. They have some difference and allow for some utility but they all have the same role no matter what you seem to think about Drk being a "tank". Also all the things you brought up in your things I left out you are better using Ragnarok for, so good job buddy. You seem to be a Drk stuck in the past who made a relic that was at one point good but can't accept that it is actually terrible and has absolutely no use in the current game outside of ballista, which makes you quite a novice actually. Quote: Why not change to any dd job other than DRK... quit gimping other people's runs. To end the discussion and summarize this exchange, Apoc sucks, Entropy sucks, lets all go solo VW. You may if fooled around with drk like you said but you have little concept in tbe job and dmg. Res is nice to a point, but it falls short to torncleaver, and not by just a little. If I use res, I may get smacked once or twice. If I use torn, chances are I am dead, few plds can recover hate from any aa runs I won on drk. Nor could other dd's generate enough hate to bounce it before death of me. This was said before a few times, if Torcleaver is beating your Resolution it means you're underbuffed.
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Torcleaver is for making Light, Resolution is for doing damage, Catastrophe is for pretending you have utility.
Quote: You may if fooled around with drk like you said but you have little concept in tbe job and dmg. Res is nice to a point, but it falls short to torncleaver, and not by just a little. Asura.Failaras said: » I realize how good Apoc was at 75, I played with plenty of Drks with it at 75 and yes it was a great weapon then. It hasn't been worth a second thought since Resolution came out. Heres the thing, Drk is a DD job like War, Mnk, and Sam. They have some difference and allow for some utility but they all have the same role no matter what you seem to think about Drk being a "tank". Also all the things you brought up in your things I left out you are better using Ragnarok for, so good job buddy. You seem to be a Drk stuck in the past who made a relic that was at one point good but can't accept that it is actually terrible and has absolutely no use in the current game outside of ballista, which makes you quite a novice actually. Quote: Why not change to any dd job other than DRK... quit gimping other people's runs. To end the discussion and summarize this exchange, Apoc sucks, Entropy sucks, lets all go solo VW. You assume 1. I don't know how to play 2. I don't have any other weapons 3. the Niche for Apoc is VW and other obscure content. All of those assumptions are based on ignorance of the subject. Also, on what planet do you live in where DRKs are keeping up with MNKs and SAMs, or even WARs? You must be playing with some really gimp people. Valefor.Sehachan said: » This was said before a few times, if Torcleaver is beating your Resolution it means you're underbuffed. This game gets its results from formulas, Apoc is greatly inferior to a gs in group play. No point being butthurt, it's fine to use it if that's what you worked on but it's not the best.
Valefor.Sehachan said: » This game gets its results from formulas, Apoc is greatly inferior to a gs in group play. No point being butthurt, it's fine to use it if that's what you worked on but it's not the best. /facepalm... please check Jinz and Stereo before you speak about being butthurt lol Blazed1979 said: » Valefor.Sehachan said: » This was said before a few times, if Torcleaver is beating your Resolution it means you're underbuffed. I bet you I can toss this football over them mountains over there
 Chriscoffey said: » inb4 go make Koga like everyone else . most of the time these forum 'maxers' aren't worth their spot in alliances.
such angst, such anger, such gimp.
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Blazed1979 said: » Asura.Failaras said: » I realize how good Apoc was at 75, I played with plenty of Drks with it at 75 and yes it was a great weapon then. It hasn't been worth a second thought since Resolution came out. Heres the thing, Drk is a DD job like War, Mnk, and Sam. They have some difference and allow for some utility but they all have the same role no matter what you seem to think about Drk being a "tank". Also all the things you brought up in your things I left out you are better using Ragnarok for, so good job buddy. You seem to be a Drk stuck in the past who made a relic that was at one point good but can't accept that it is actually terrible and has absolutely no use in the current game outside of ballista, which makes you quite a novice actually. Quote: Why not change to any dd job other than DRK... quit gimping other people's runs. To end the discussion and summarize this exchange, Apoc sucks, Entropy sucks, lets all go solo VW. You assume 1. I don't know how to play 2. I don't have any other weapons 3. the Niche for Apoc is VW and other obscure content. All of those assumptions are based on ignorance of the subject. Also, on what planet do you live in where DRKs are keeping up with MNKs and SAMs, or even WARs? You must be playing with some really gimp people. Asura.Failaras said: » Blazed1979 said: » Asura.Failaras said: » I realize how good Apoc was at 75, I played with plenty of Drks with it at 75 and yes it was a great weapon then. It hasn't been worth a second thought since Resolution came out. Heres the thing, Drk is a DD job like War, Mnk, and Sam. They have some difference and allow for some utility but they all have the same role no matter what you seem to think about Drk being a "tank". Also all the things you brought up in your things I left out you are better using Ragnarok for, so good job buddy. You seem to be a Drk stuck in the past who made a relic that was at one point good but can't accept that it is actually terrible and has absolutely no use in the current game outside of ballista, which makes you quite a novice actually. Quote: Why not change to any dd job other than DRK... quit gimping other people's runs. To end the discussion and summarize this exchange, Apoc sucks, Entropy sucks, lets all go solo VW. You assume 1. I don't know how to play 2. I don't have any other weapons 3. the Niche for Apoc is VW and other obscure content. All of those assumptions are based on ignorance of the subject. Also, on what planet do you live in where DRKs are keeping up with MNKs and SAMs, or even WARs? You must be playing with some really gimp people. "Waaa waaa you're not allowed to be different and have fun. Someone tell him!" You're allowed to be different all you desire, that's absolutely fine. But don't go saying it's better.
Valefor.Sehachan said: » You're allowed to be different all you desire, that's absolutely fine. But don't go saying it's better. Better is a technical and subjective term. Things aren't always linear and in trying to make things a better vs worst situation you oversimplify things. This is the habit of a lazy and challenged intellect. EDIT: I don't use words like "better". So you will be hard pressed to find where I stated Apoc was better. All I said was for a DRK Main, Entropy is a must. If DRK is your main, you're playing it large man, low man, solo and plain old "fun" content as well as farming runs. Is Instant MP valid in any of those situations? Valefor.Sehachan said: » You're allowed to be different all you desire, that's absolutely fine. But don't go saying it's better. Quote: Better is a technical and subjective term. Things aren't always linear and in trying to make things a better vs worst situation you oversimplify things. This is the habit of a lazy and challenged intellect. |
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