[Dev] Corsair Adjustments
[Dev] Corsair Adjustments
Woohoo Gallant's Roll!
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
From official forum reps:
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The damage reduction from Gallant's Roll is not a percentage, the reduction value is the number itself. (Maximum 30 damage)
In case you didn't know, you can stack this with Phalanx making it possible to increase the amount of damage reduced.
In regards to those of you asking about a third roll, we haven't solidified a specific adjustment timing so I don't have any new information for you guys at the moment. But when I do, you bet I'll be giving you guys an update!
In case you didn't know, you can stack this with Phalanx making it possible to increase the amount of damage reduced.
In regards to those of you asking about a third roll, we haven't solidified a specific adjustment timing so I don't have any new information for you guys at the moment. But when I do, you bet I'll be giving you guys an update!
Mass pulling mobs in Abyssea for cleave burn with a WAR(pair with TP roll to get TP)! =D
Update on topic today:
01-11-2012 05:54 PM
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| Greetings all  I have some additional info on corsair adjustments based on some questions from the Japanese forum to share with you all. Quote: Though Drachen Roll gives magic attack bonus to pets, this does not affect wyvern’s attack breath, and in the case of battles that are dependent on a pet’s magic attack, a dragoon will not be in the party for the bonus. [Pre-adjustment] Drachen Roll: Enhances pet magic attack and magic accuracy Puppet Roll: Enhances pet accuracy [Post-adjustment] Drachen Roll: Enhances pet accuracy Puppet Roll: Enhances pet magic attack and magic accuracy Quote: Would it be possible to edit the effect of Blitzer’s Roll? Currently, if you cast Blitzer’s Roll, the amount of TP gained is reduced and if attackers use store TP it’s not really possible to get the full benefit. Could you edit this so that the effect does not affect TP gain and reduces attack delay like Haste and March? Quote: Can you make it possible to cast rolls on a single party member? It could have a 15 second recast and no Double-up possibility. If we had this, it would make it possible to use all of the hard to use pet rolls, etc. It would also be possible to put the new Gallant’s Roll on the tank only. Corsairs have the ability to support party members with their rolls similar to bards; however, while bards spend most of their time during battle supporting party members with songs, corsairs don’t spend the same amount of time on support and were made to have a surplus of time so they can attack. This is why the effect duration and recast time on rolls have been set to be longer than songs. While it is definitely possible to look into single target effects in order to effectively use rolls, the functionality of corsair would most likely be largely changed due to the increased frequency of roll usage, so we would like to continue to look into this while carefully considering whether it is really appropriate for the corsair style that we envisioned. Quote: The enhanced cure potency for cures received is good with waltzes too, right? While they are similar effects, the stats are separate and this is the roll for white mages. | |||
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Swapping the properties of Drachen and Puppet makes sense...but still won't be used.
*ignores Blitzer part*
I agree on the rest, I couldn't care less about Pianissimo. Just give us the 3rd roll you promised though.
*ignores Blitzer part*
I agree on the rest, I couldn't care less about Pianissimo. Just give us the 3rd roll you promised though.
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Well...... While it is definitely possible to look into single target effects in order to effectively use rolls (BUT) whether it is really appropriate for the corsair style that we envisioned.
*Edit: Forgot the LoL in there...
*Edit: Forgot the LoL in there...
All they need is a 3rd roll slot obtainable through a ring or something. Make it rare need be.
A 3rd roll slot makes alot of less used rolls viable and avoids putting COR into a situation where it has to Pianissimo rolls onto people which eats into DD / WS time.
A 3rd roll slot makes alot of less used rolls viable and avoids putting COR into a situation where it has to Pianissimo rolls onto people which eats into DD / WS time.
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If cor gets a third roll it should be through an annoying Trial weapon.
Cor has been getting nice DD updates for awhile.
Cor has been getting nice DD updates for awhile.
Am I still crazy for thinking capped Winning Streak is good?
Or am I simply giving into SE's stubbornness and using it as a means to optimize time frames of DDing with minimal re-rolls?
I understand the highest priority is keeping 11s a steadfast standard, but it's the constant act of rolling and using job abilities one after the other that digs a hole in your DPS capacity from what I can tell.
Or am I simply giving into SE's stubbornness and using it as a means to optimize time frames of DDing with minimal re-rolls?
I understand the highest priority is keeping 11s a steadfast standard, but it's the constant act of rolling and using job abilities one after the other that digs a hole in your DPS capacity from what I can tell.
Artemicion said: »
Am I still crazy for thinking capped Winning Streak is good?
Or am I simply giving into SE's stubbornness and using it as a means to optimize time frames of DDing with minimal re-rolls?
I understand the highest priority is keeping 11s a steadfast standard, but it's the constant act of rolling and using job abilities one after the other that digs a hole in your DPS capacity from what I can tell.
Or am I simply giving into SE's stubbornness and using it as a means to optimize time frames of DDing with minimal re-rolls?
I understand the highest priority is keeping 11s a steadfast standard, but it's the constant act of rolling and using job abilities one after the other that digs a hole in your DPS capacity from what I can tell.
5/5 Snake Eye doesn't even need an argument.
Asura.Ludoggy said: »
If cor gets a third roll it should be through an annoying Trial weapon.
Cor has been getting nice DD updates for awhile.
Cor has been getting nice DD updates for awhile.
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
The difference is that bard can cycle through songs at a fast pace and change them on the fly accordingly, whereas cor isn't able to do this due to the long shared recast timer on all rolls.
Update on topic today sorry for the delay:
01-18-2012 04:39 PM
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| Dearest corsairs, Just wanted to deliver some feedback that was being discussed on the Japanese forums in regards to Quick Draw and Rolls. Quote: Personally, I would like to focus on Phantom Roll + Quick Draw + Weapon Skills. (With the current system for Phantom Roll) What is currently severely lacking is the number of charges for Quick Draw. I would like this adjusted so that it would be possible to pull off something like the following rotation: Roll→2 Draws → Roll → 2 Draws…→Weapon Skill → Roll… As such, I would like the number of charges for Quick Draw to be increased to about 6. Since Quick Draw is an ability, it can be used quickly and there is not much down time, which means that it is more convenient than ranged attacks and it is possible to deal as much damage as a weapon skill, based on how it is used. If the number of charges is simply increased, corsairs would have more attacking power than rangers. If we do end up increasing the number of charges, we would have to nerf its effects to maintain balance. Whether or not it would be worth nerfing the effects to increase the number of charges is an issue that we are investigating with the help of your feedback. In addition, we plan on adding enfeebling effects to Quick Draw in the enfeebling spell adjustments we have planned, so please look forward to these changes as well. | |||
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QD enfeebles yay! Been waiting forever for that!
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Update on topic today sorry for the delay:
01-18-2012 04:39 PM
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| Dearest corsairs, Just wanted to deliver some feedback that was being discussed on the Japanese forums in regards to Quick Draw and Rolls. Quote: Personally, I would like to focus on Phantom Roll + Quick Draw + Weapon Skills. (With the current system for Phantom Roll) What is currently severely lacking is the number of charges for Quick Draw. I would like this adjusted so that it would be possible to pull off something like the following rotation: Roll→2 Draws → Roll → 2 Draws…→Weapon Skill → Roll… As such, I would like the number of charges for Quick Draw to be increased to about 6. Since Quick Draw is an ability, it can be used quickly and there is not much down time, which means that it is more convenient than ranged attacks and it is possible to deal as much damage as a weapon skill, based on how it is used. If the number of charges is simply increased, corsairs would have more attacking power than rangers. If we do end up increasing the number of charges, we would have to nerf its effects to maintain balance. Whether or not it would be worth nerfing the effects to increase the number of charges is an issue that we are investigating with the help of your feedback. In addition, we plan on adding enfeebling effects to Quick Draw in the enfeebling spell adjustments we have planned, so please look forward to these changes as well. | |||
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If you thought rdm was coming back ... lol nope..
About the other thing, I don't want more charges for nerfed damage. What they should do is changing the recast merits from 2 to 5 or 4 seconds.
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So they might give us another QD use, but lessen or remove the added debuffs?
I can live with that.
I can live with that.
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
About the other thing, I don't want more charges for nerfed damage. What they should do is changing the recast merits from 2 to 5 or 4 seconds.
With the already high accuracy and utility for light based sleep, and dispel, I would gladly accept lowered damage for more charges and/or decreased recasts.
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
So they might give us another QD use, but lessen or remove the added debuffs?
I can live with that.
I can live with that.
No? They specifically said that "If the number of charges is simply increased, corsairs would have more attacking power than rangers." Obviously they are referring to the damage dealt by QD, not the enfeebling effects.
I don't see the problem with this actually, as long as they allow /cor to have access to the same number of charges.
Bismarck.Helel said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
So they might give us another QD use, but lessen or remove the added debuffs?
I can live with that.
I can live with that.
No? They specifically said that "If the number of charges is simply increased, corsairs would have more attacking power than rangers." Obviously they are referring to the damage dealt by QD, not the enfeebling effects.
I don't see the problem with this actually, as long as they allow /cor to have access to the same number of charges.
Considering QD also gives TP, this will also greatly increase the WS frequency with more charges.
Also RNG subbing COR for QD is gimping SJ, since COR can still /WAR or /SAM for dmg and still has all the QD charges, that's not really the same.
Can someone explain the process of 4 rolls cycle? Im newer to corsair and want to know almost everything that can benefit me. I get a feeling im going to be on corsair alot until amano is finished because people dont want my samurai for some reason lol...so i might as well pimp cor out and get used to it for now.
Wish people would stop it with these stupid ideas QD is fine a it is depending on NMs its 500-700 damage with a 45 sec recast i cant fire shot before every wildfire since tp comes stupidly quick in vw but idc its nice and easy damage/tp. If they do add more charges/lower recast i can expect damage to be reduced to ~100 and less or no tp gain like it was before.
Edit: a 4 roll cycle isnt really used much any more but it consists of 2 dd rolls on melees and 2 mage rolls normally refresh + mab or fast cast. Cor is mostly in the dd only party keeping up tacts/misers with armageddon cor is an awesome dd and should be used as such. A 4 roll cycle takes away a lot of dd time but them stuff situational. If mages want refresh they can sub rdm and use temp items if in vw.
Edit: a 4 roll cycle isnt really used much any more but it consists of 2 dd rolls on melees and 2 mage rolls normally refresh + mab or fast cast. Cor is mostly in the dd only party keeping up tacts/misers with armageddon cor is an awesome dd and should be used as such. A 4 roll cycle takes away a lot of dd time but them stuff situational. If mages want refresh they can sub rdm and use temp items if in vw.
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Fupafighters said: »
Can someone explain the process of 4 rolls cycle? Im newer to corsair and want to know almost everything that can benefit me. I get a feeling im going to be on corsair alot until amano is finished because people dont want my samurai for some reason lol...so i might as well pimp cor out and get used to it for now.
Back at lv 75 cap or pre 75 EXP pt when mages still needs MP, CORs run backline to do 1~2 mage rolls, then run to frontline and do 2 DD rolls. By the time when mage roll almost wears you run back to do 1~2 mage roll again.
explain how they do these other 2 rolls lol...fold only gets rid of one >.< do you just have to time it so the 4th roll has like 2 minutes or what lol?
Eh? Stand near mages and roll evoker/fastcast/mab/whatever, then go near the dds and do chaos/fighter. Rolls done, position yourself to dd some till mages roll wear off and start cycle again. What's so hard to understand?
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
Eh? Stand near mages and roll evoker/fastcast/mab/whatever, then go near the dds and do chaos/fighter. Rolls done, position yourself to dd some till mages roll wear off and start cycle again. What's so hard to understand?
tbqh, when I read the update notes I thought:
"Hmm... looks like SE noticed Wildfire CORs. Nerf INC!"
It looks like they are going to nerf quick draw damage in exchange for letting you store more charges. They crossed a dumb idea with a basic misunderstanding of how the job works and shat this post out as a warning.
You know the real irony of this? I can't imagine the good old COR/WHM JPs ever requesting this for game-play reasons. It is probably purely so they can cycle the 6 shots quickly when COR JA procs come up in Voidwatch, assuming they even requested it.
"Hmm... looks like SE noticed Wildfire CORs. Nerf INC!"
It looks like they are going to nerf quick draw damage in exchange for letting you store more charges. They crossed a dumb idea with a basic misunderstanding of how the job works and shat this post out as a warning.
You know the real irony of this? I can't imagine the good old COR/WHM JPs ever requesting this for game-play reasons. It is probably purely so they can cycle the 6 shots quickly when COR JA procs come up in Voidwatch, assuming they even requested it.
TBH, reducing QD damage by half and doubling the number of charges wouldn't be all that bad now that Quick Draw gives TP.
As long as they evened out so that the damage over time is the same as it is now (or greater), I think I'd almost prefer the smaller QDs with more charges.
As long as they evened out so that the damage over time is the same as it is now (or greater), I think I'd almost prefer the smaller QDs with more charges.
Fupafighters said: »
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
Eh? Stand near mages and roll evoker/fastcast/mab/whatever, then go near the dds and do chaos/fighter. Rolls done, position yourself to dd some till mages roll wear off and start cycle again. What's so hard to understand?
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