Before You Start Selling Vagary Carries

Point 1: If you want Professional / Experienced players to help, for free: Get Real, it isn't going to happen anything like as much as you think unles they get something worth the time investment.

Point 2: If theres so many "players" who need the wins, then why don't they spend 5 mins read the guide, build a group and go *** clear it? I literally did this on a new account to prove to someone they were stupid, and got a Newby war 1~99 in 2 weeks, got him lolsparks gear in a day, and cleared Tojil with a gimp as hell Warrior, but held my own because you know: I'm not stupid.

They have the tools themselves to clear this, they're too lazy to learn the skills, its not even gated to that extent when RMTs where clear spamming it in Sparks gear.

if you're too lazy to read a guide/ask someone to explain a Strat and then too lazy to shout for people for a PUG to gain some experience............ Tough ***.

I completely disagree. A few linkshells who offer wins to a few players every now and again, who in turn participate, observe, and carry their experience to others, could very easily have a ripple effect in servers as small as those of FFXI - stem the tide, as it were.

exploiting, seriously? I suppose you think taxi drivers are exploiting people that want a ride. I suppose you think restaurants are exploiting people that want food made for them.

Go spout your communism somewhere else.

Better yet.

Go ask charity to maduro, castro or kim jong-un.

They will be willing to share with you... The misery that just "good" persons with "good" intentions can produce.

And you're completely wrong, I get you're trying to save the game but its dead get over this fact it's not casual friendly enough for morons to continue and not hardcore enough/new enough hardcore gamers selling a win is not an issue from the person selling the *** win.

SUPPLY AND DEMAND

I can supply a sell delve service all *** year, but if players dont WANT TO BUY then they won't its a buyers market.

Another thing to consider, a lot of people DO help in quite significant ways. Just because we're not letting people leech free wins off us, doesn't mean that there isn't help. We're the people that usually the first ones out there, that help figure out strats for things, that try setup after setup to find what works good, and take the time to answer mechanic related questions when we see them on the forums (or get asked them in tells). It's not like this information is kept private so other people can't read up and figure out strats for themselves.

This "horrible elitist" community goes way out of their way to keep a wiki up to date with relevant battle information (not something I'm trying to take personal credit for), and for every jerk on the forum there's a least 10 people who will try to answer questions as best as they can. There's a huge host of knowledge all over the forums.

Honestly it seemed worse back in super hardcore endgame (thinking like 2005-2006), where everything was really competitive and LS leaders would often tell people not to share strats, and stuff was kept secretive for fear of there being more competition. Even stuff like ToD's were a hugely guarded secret and you could get in deep ***if you were caught sharing them with a competing LS.

It's not hard to take a few minutes to read through wikis or post asking questions if you're unsure and make your own group. There's no excuse for any average joe to not do this.

I used to join a lot of shout groups of boredom. The ones that I see shout for forever are either led by someone who has no idea what they're doing(something that's easy to verify after having run with them before and have had it been a disaster), or they end up having ridiculous loot rules, or are being abnormally strict on jobs.

Honestly anyone I've ever brought as a buyer has generally been way more respectful and attentive then the people I try to help. They tend to listen better and pay attention better. A lot of the people in the past I've went out of my way to help have honestly been ungrateful jerks and a lot of them act very entitled. Obviously not everyone is like that, but it's made me pretty jaded.

You could use the same logic that people that pay for mercs can see the fights and observe, and carry that knowledge on the same way. Either way people are getting into content that they probably wouldn't have normally.

No, people are just jerks period.

But more importantly, people hate being shown up for being ***, I've actually had someone quit because they couldn't believe how strong my Tsurumaru sam was compared to theirs (7times their damage, and no they were just that bad), being helpful and pointing out someones retardedness/mistakes doesn't make you friends.

Its Easier to forgive someone for being wrong, than being right etc etc.. or in this case, being better than you!

idc about vagary wins but i'll definitely pay someone to merc me Abyssea +2 items >_>

Come to Cerberus!

We've already started this.

Keep telling yourself that.

Fair points, Calipso.

Why so much hate?

And anyone playing a video game that calls someone else playing the same game (or any other game) a no-lifer is probably one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of. Lol.

I have a family, kids. My house is clean, I cook dinner 6 times a week. I'm down to a few hours of playtime a day. I have a lot of nice things - not because I play a lot, but because I've been playing for a long time. I'm persistent with my goals (my latest mythic I started last sept or something and am just barely finishing up now!).

Really, you just sound silly

My ears are burning, did some one mention Communism?

That was the easy part. Anyone can solo Abyssea.

"Anyone worse than me is an idiotic noob that needs to learn how to play. Anybody better than me is a no-life loser."

Every argument ever made by bitter MMO players.

how many etching do we need to upgrade to i119? With a THF in the group these things are dropping like crazy.

I'm not calling gamers no-lifers. I'm calling elitist *** no-lifers. For a myriad of reasons that I'm sure you can figure out. The people I was responding to are notoriously toxic on these forums.

I am pretty sure that you can be an Elite and still have a great life, even take breaks from the game to play other games. Using the RL card is just an excuse for not knowing how to make the best of this game. There is zero excuse for not having REM weapons and gear that is top tier. This game has been dumbed down so much that it doesnt take any time at all to stay up with current gear. That is if you arent a bad.

So quit assuming that people with better gear then you play the game 16/7 and dont have a family or a life. Stop screwing around and get stuff done.

Sieha, just stop. REM weapons aren't even always the BIS for all jobs. Give that argument a rest for a change. It doesn't make someone bad if they don't have an REM. This is the elitist stuff he's talking about.

Anyone can get into content if they do research on the content they want cleared. Putting together a good team of players with the right jobs for the content that needs to get done is not hard. I've done it, probably so have other players who don't rely on money to get them clears and actually works hard to succeed.


@ Arcarsenal:


Honestly, I highly doubt anyone who buys runs go to watch the fights carefully to see how to handle them. I bet half of them just go afk, watching porn, etc. The only ripple effect this will have is too spread that being lazy will get you far in FFXI.

Selling win for Brash wing on Asura for 30 mil. Also Plovid Flesh for 30mil and Plovid Effluvium for 20 mil. Etched memories for 500k a piece.

And for 2m ill run you through drifts to outer.

Selling Deathborne on Fenrir for 25M as well, thanks

Seems like this topic got all out of hand. 10 year veteran here and I have my fair share of asshats to deal with. Been there, done that, I had a met a lot of good people in the community that I socialized and played with and then there's "that" group of people. Being a career thf, I totally understand being the outsider as I went through a difficult path to becoming an amazing thf.

I worked hard to get my relic (took me 3 years but I finally did it) and 6 years of being a HNMLS leader so I know the road of pain and suffering.

But yeah, I ain't gonna lie. Lots of people I felt had it too easy with the jobs they picked or the LS they were in and that makes me bitter. This is the job I chose so I have to deal with the elitist ***of being turned down to come to most end game events because I use a worthless job.

The only way I got stuff done is when I organized anything but even then I had to deal with people talking ***to me because I was a thf and that I had no place in any end game activity which pisses me off to no end. Just totally demonstrates the elitism/ignorance of high lvl players.

This game is far from balanced in any way but the community is mainly responsible for how everyone acts towards jobs. Basically a one trick pony and a bunch of lemmings that follow said strategy and stick with it.

Did you perhaps miss the last few months of the game? Also, I don't really think it's fair to the community to be X job and only X job. Enjoy your favorite job by all means but try to be versatile so you can help others.

Is it a talent, being so moronic, or does it take practice?

After beating the level 135 solo NM for the RUN quest, I got a "Codex of Etchings" which turned into 7 Etched Memories. According to BG Wiki, these are used to upgrade Empyrean armor to 119, but I haven't seen anyone else selling them and I can't check this site for them since they haven't been added yet. Apparently, 15 are needed to upgrade a head piece and I'm not sure if there's a different amount/item for other slots.

I have no interest in making any Empyrean armor 119 right now, so, *** it, I'll bazaar them for 1 million each and see if anything happens overnight.

Oh yeah for sure, 3 years ago it was fine, but now I have 3 chars and getting +2 armor is tedious.

PS: not really complaining and this topic is dumb.

Anyone streaming vagary? Curious to see what it is like, hearing good things about it, an ejar-style event does sound fun.

so whats the deal is this a must have an alliance system or is it a 6 man job?

hows this work exactly

I'm all for being a job to suit the situation. It's just when I'm told when going as a DD job to not be a thf period and to level only a "real" DD job. Seems MNK and SAM are always acceptable in any situation.