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Before you start selling Vagary carries
Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2015-03-28 16:31:08
I really don't understand why people get mad at people selling and buying. It's their business, it's not affecting you, go on with your boring life.
But I'm jealous rich people can get a free pass to goodies, while my poor self has to deal with making pugs and putting effort into things.
By Pantafernando 2015-03-28 16:31:49
Btw Vagary doesn't need an alliance to clear, just need people with brains, or alts with brains.
ALSO SELLING CLEARS FOR 50M
Gee I got 2 idris in my 10 man group and all dd have mythics yagrush white mage ***is too easy.
Elitist.
Lakshmi.Amymy
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By Lakshmi.Amymy 2015-03-28 16:32:54
Btw Vagary doesn't need an alliance to clear, just need people with brains, or alts with brains.
ALSO SELLING CLEARS FOR 50M
Gee I got 2 idris in my 10 man group and all dd have mythics yagrush white mage ***is too easy.
Elitist.
I wasn't referring to myself
Lakshmi.Amymy
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By Lakshmi.Amymy 2015-03-28 16:36:21
you don't need any of that for vagary 128
Then I wonder why would people sell wins for 30 to 50 million. If someone have that much gil to burn then might as well pack their bAgs n move to bahamut. Vagary pugs throughout the day and if someone shouts it will fill.
Fenrir.Ramzus
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-03-28 16:44:22
Have you seen anyone actually sell wins? maybe they're saying that to mock everyone crying. I know I wasn't being serious when i made my sale post on this thread. Fenrir is a pretty backwater server that still wipes to pickup Tojil semi-frequently and they still managed to kill Putraxia without knowing what they were doing. Only 1 NA on the server has Idris and there are barely any Yagrushes on the server outside of my LS and I don't think any of them were in that run.
We only have 560 on right now too (<1,000 during evening weekends) and this is a heavily JP-populated server and they still managed to get a run going. What's your excuse?
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Lakshmi.Amymy
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By Lakshmi.Amymy 2015-03-28 18:14:26
Have you seen anyone actually sell wins? maybe they're saying that to mock everyone crying. I know I wasn't being serious when i made my sale post on this thread. Fenrir is a pretty backwater server that still wipes to pickup Tojil semi-frequently and they still managed to kill Putraxia without knowing what they were doing. Only 1 NA on the server has Idris and there are barely any Yagrushes on the server outside of my LS and I don't think any of them were in that run.
We only have 560 on right now too (<1,000 during evening weekends) and this is a heavily JP-populated server and they still managed to get a run going. What's your excuse?
I guess I got trolled by the same person. I admit defeat
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-28 18:26:25
Btw Vagary doesn't need an alliance to clear, just need people with brains, or alts with brains.
ALSO SELLING CLEARS FOR 50M
Gee I got 2 idris in my 10 man group and all dd have mythics yagrush white mage ***is too easy.
Not everyone has a mythic, but if you think you need multiple yagrush's to clear current content, you've spent too much time listening to bad players.
Lakshmi.Amymy
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By Lakshmi.Amymy 2015-03-28 18:35:20
Btw Vagary doesn't need an alliance to clear, just need people with brains, or alts with brains.
ALSO SELLING CLEARS FOR 50M
Gee I got 2 idris in my 10 man group and all dd have mythics yagrush white mage ***is too easy.
Not everyone has a mythic, but if you think you need multiple yagrush's to clear current content, you've spent too much time listening to bad players.
I Prob only partied with a yagrush white mage like 3 times in my life so not sure how u think I think that.
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By Asura.Vinedrius 2015-03-28 18:59:28
Where are these vagary shouts people are talking on about? Only one Japanese shout in Asura whole day.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-28 19:06:13
Btw Vagary doesn't need an alliance to clear, just need people with brains, or alts with brains.
ALSO SELLING CLEARS FOR 50M
Gee I got 2 idris in my 10 man group and all dd have mythics yagrush white mage ***is too easy.
Not everyone has a mythic, but if you think you need multiple yagrush's to clear current content, you've spent too much time listening to bad players.
I Prob only partied with a yagrush white mage like 3 times in my life so not sure how u think I think that.
I don't know if you think that or not, but you sure bring it up a lot.
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Lakshmi.Zerowone
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-03-28 19:18:48
You telling me there aren't some blu's out there that wouldn't pay top dollar for this?
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Lakshmi.Amymy
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By Lakshmi.Amymy 2015-03-28 19:20:16
Btw Vagary doesn't need an alliance to clear, just need people with brains, or alts with brains.
ALSO SELLING CLEARS FOR 50M
Gee I got 2 idris in my 10 man group and all dd have mythics yagrush white mage ***is too easy.
Not everyone has a mythic, but if you think you need multiple yagrush's to clear current content, you've spent too much time listening to bad players.
I Prob only partied with a yagrush white mage like 3 times in my life so not sure how u think I think that.
I don't know if you think that or not, but you sure bring it up a lot.
Bring what up?
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-03-28 19:25:59
Bleating mantle
Rumination sash
what's next, pasture scarf?
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-28 19:27:22
Btw Vagary doesn't need an alliance to clear, just need people with brains, or alts with brains.
ALSO SELLING CLEARS FOR 50M
Gee I got 2 idris in my 10 man group and all dd have mythics yagrush white mage ***is too easy.
Not everyone has a mythic, but if you think you need multiple yagrush's to clear current content, you've spent too much time listening to bad players.
I Prob only partied with a yagrush white mage like 3 times in my life so not sure how u think I think that.
I don't know if you think that or not, but you sure bring it up a lot.
Bring what up?
Our group's accumulation of RME's.
Sylph.Oraen
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By Sylph.Oraen 2015-03-28 19:29:58
You telling me there aren't some blu's out there that wouldn't pay top dollar for this?
No, I would not pay top dollar for it. Less accuracy and damage than a rank B Uson, with higher delay and no stats. Unless the SC damage bonus is very noticeable, it's only an average sword at best. Possibly a swap in for Chain Affinity spells, but physical spell casting is not often utilized anymore since CDC became so powerful.
Lakshmi.Zerowone
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-03-28 19:31:26
why would you swap it in for chain affinity? based on its 2 bottom stats and the way they work, its a full time sword.
Lakshmi.Lenus
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By Lakshmi.Lenus 2015-03-28 19:34:02
You macro it in for Chain Affinity, duh
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Lakshmi.Amymy
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By Lakshmi.Amymy 2015-03-28 19:34:50
Btw Vagary doesn't need an alliance to clear, just need people with brains, or alts with brains.
ALSO SELLING CLEARS FOR 50M
(@ jassik Let me reply to above quote in a more respectful way.)
you guys are very good players to clear it in 10 or so members. Can I ask setup and minimum gears requirement? So the people here who are looking to do their own low man groups can have an idea of how to proceed to tackle this in the event they can't get 18 members?
Sylph.Oraen
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By Sylph.Oraen 2015-03-28 19:36:25
Unless the SC bonus is very strong, it is not a full time sword. BLU should be focusing on melee DPS, not physical spells. CA is on a 1:30 recast, and you should not be casting any physical spells, aside from sudden lunge if you can land it, outside of CA/Efflux. Even then, it's a toss-up because with the proper buffs, you can just SC with another CDC and do more damage rather than using a physical spell.
If that SC bonus actually does work out to 10% damage, I'll quickly change my tune, but until then, it's just not that great.
Seraph.Koroma
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By Seraph.Koroma 2015-03-28 19:54:40
not having relic\mythic = stupid
Everything wrong with the community in a nutshell.
Lakshmi.Amymy
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By Lakshmi.Amymy 2015-03-28 19:59:53
Btw Vagary doesn't need an alliance to clear, just need people with brains, or alts with brains.
ALSO SELLING CLEARS FOR 50M
Gee I got 2 idris in my 10 man group and all dd have mythics yagrush white mage ***is too easy.
Not everyone has a mythic, but if you think you need multiple yagrush's to clear current content, you've spent too much time listening to bad players.
I Prob only partied with a yagrush white mage like 3 times in my life so not sure how u think I think that.
I don't know if you think that or not, but you sure bring it up a lot.
Bring what up?
Our group's accumulation of RME's.
I have nothing against ur group. But a certain someone in your group is infering that if can't clear vagary without an alliance has no brains. A little arrogance won't u think?
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-28 20:20:00
Btw Vagary doesn't need an alliance to clear, just need people with brains, or alts with brains.
ALSO SELLING CLEARS FOR 50M
Gee I got 2 idris in my 10 man group and all dd have mythics yagrush white mage ***is too easy.
Not everyone has a mythic, but if you think you need multiple yagrush's to clear current content, you've spent too much time listening to bad players.
I Prob only partied with a yagrush white mage like 3 times in my life so not sure how u think I think that.
I don't know if you think that or not, but you sure bring it up a lot.
Bring what up?
Our group's accumulation of RME's.
I have nothing against ur group. But a certain someone in your group is infering that if can't clear vagary without an alliance has no brains. A little arrogance won't u think?
I don't think it's arrogance, the people that can't clear current content aren't failing because they don't have enough idris or yagrush's, they're failing because they don't come prepared, aren't well organized, have no plan, or bring people with very bad understanding of game mechanics. Don't think we don't fail stuff, we just figure out what we did wrong and try again instead of running to the forums to complain.
you guys are very good players to clear it in 10 or so members. Can I ask setup and minimum gears requirement? So the people here who are looking to do their own low man groups can have an idea of how to proceed to tackle this in the event they can't get 18 members?
Very often, more people means more chaos, more TP spam, more chat spam, more people who can screw something up... Clearing with 18 is often harder than with less.
Cerberus.Reiden
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By Cerberus.Reiden 2015-03-28 21:16:13
I did my good deed today and took a shout group for a Pallotoris win. Now cheer me on.
Lakshmi.Zerowone
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-03-28 22:16:27
Unless the SC bonus is very strong, it is not a full time sword. BLU should be focusing on melee DPS, not physical spells. CA is on a 1:30 recast, and you should not be casting any physical spells, aside from sudden lunge if you can land it, outside of CA/Efflux. Even then, it's a toss-up because with the proper buffs, you can just SC with another CDC and do more damage rather than using a physical spell.
If that SC bonus actually does work out to 10% damage, I'll quickly change my tune, but until then, it's just not that great.
Appears to be 10% SC Damage. Which stacked with SC Bonus II is kind of boss. He hasn't tested the CA effect if its a 10% versus a base +10 increase though.
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Sylph.Oraen
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By Sylph.Oraen 2015-03-28 23:01:48
Unless the SC bonus is very strong, it is not a full time sword. BLU should be focusing on melee DPS, not physical spells. CA is on a 1:30 recast, and you should not be casting any physical spells, aside from sudden lunge if you can land it, outside of CA/Efflux. Even then, it's a toss-up because with the proper buffs, you can just SC with another CDC and do more damage rather than using a physical spell.
If that SC bonus actually does work out to 10% damage, I'll quickly change my tune, but until then, it's just not that great.
Appears to be 10% SC Damage. Which stacked with SC Bonus II is kind of boss. He hasn't tested the CA effect if its a 10% versus a base +10 increase though.
Welp, time to eat my words. I was expecting SE to rip us off with some lame +10 damage or something. Didn't see a straight 10% increase coming. Guess that's the new best off-hand for BLU in any situation where you can SC. So, basically always. Like you said, set paralyzing triad and that's a huge boost. Do you know if it is additive or multiplicative with base SC damage bonus traits?
Apologies for my misinformation.
Lakshmi.Amymy
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By Lakshmi.Amymy 2015-03-28 23:19:37
Btw Vagary doesn't need an alliance to clear, just need people with brains, or alts with brains.
ALSO SELLING CLEARS FOR 50M
Gee I got 2 idris in my 10 man group and all dd have mythics yagrush white mage ***is too easy.
Not everyone has a mythic, but if you think you need multiple yagrush's to clear current content, you've spent too much time listening to bad players.
I Prob only partied with a yagrush white mage like 3 times in my life so not sure how u think I think that.
I don't know if you think that or not, but you sure bring it up a lot.
Bring what up?
Our group's accumulation of RME's.
I have nothing against ur group. But a certain someone in your group is infering that if can't clear vagary without an alliance has no brains. A little arrogance won't u think?
I don't think it's arrogance, the people that can't clear current content aren't failing because they don't have enough idris or yagrush's, they're failing because they don't come prepared, aren't well organized, have no plan, or bring people with very bad understanding of game mechanics. Don't think we don't fail stuff, we just figure out what we did wrong and try again instead of running to the forums to complain.
you guys are very good players to clear it in 10 or so members. Can I ask setup and minimum gears requirement? So the people here who are looking to do their own low man groups can have an idea of how to proceed to tackle this in the event they can't get 18 members?
Very often, more people means more chaos, more TP spam, more chat spam, more people who can screw something up... Clearing with 18 is often harder than with less.
well u were half right. got all 3 clears in a short 2 hours pug but 18 man alliance tho. first night doing vagary went 3/4. clears were like 25ish mins. only thing that went past 30 was the slime one. only wipe was when pulled too much underestimating their aoe attack power. one was content level 130 forgot which one.
make no mistake about it. gear played a huge part in the easy win. an idris geo a koga sam didn't check the other people's gears. im not going to go out and say "just need people with half a brain to clear this." takes skills and gears.
Bahamut.Malothar
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By Bahamut.Malothar 2015-03-28 23:45:34
make no mistake about it. gear played a huge part in the easy win. an idris geo a koga sam didn't check the other people's gears. im not going to go out and say "just need people with half a brain to clear this." takes skills and gears.
You would be wrong. Half that alliance knew what they were doing, I know, my LS was the one leading it. It takes people with half a brain to do things. Like that Fomor wipe. No one mentioned to the pug Pld that the 2nd wave of Fomors weren't going to be AoE'd down. So he pulled them all. No one mentioned to the pugged mages that they weren't going to be AoE'd down. So they AoE'd. We wiped lol. Derpy actions get you a derpy ending.
The difference is we explained the strat, people listened, and we completed. Most pugs woulda tossed their hands in the air, cursed SE for making such stupidly difficult content, and called everyone in the group noob scrubs. ***, I thought about saying something when you were dying repeatedly on... Pixie? Ooze? I forget. Yinzi didn't need the attention of a Whm though so we were content with letting you RR over and over again.
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By mortontony1 2015-03-29 00:04:24
No one mentioned to the pug Pld that the 2nd wave of Fomors weren't going to be AoE'd down. So he pulled them all. No one mentioned to the pugged mages that they weren't going to be AoE'd down. So they AoE'd. We wiped lol.
Well there's your problem. Not saying you don't 'have half a brain' but it would usually be a good idea to explain to PUGs, or even double checking with well formed groups, just to make sure everyone knows what's going on.
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2015-03-29 00:05:31
Hell we wiped to fomors on our first attempt too, this stuff is trial and error.
Consider the effects this could potentially have on the community. Empy armor upgrades to 119 will require you to clear Vagary content, which means just about every player will want to clear the content at some point. Obviously groups who sold Delve clears and such are looking at this as a new opportunity to make some gil. While that is of course your right, I implore you to consider not doing this for the benefit of your server's community. If more people are able to clear this content in the intended fashion, I think those people are more likely to stay and keep playing, as the feeling of true personal achievement in this game is one of the primary reasons for its longevity (until as of late I suppose, so maybe this is a moot point...). Maybe I'm just applying my own line of thinking to others, which is certainly dubious, though I can't imagine I'm the only one who gets dissuaded when they read more shouts for selling clears than they do parties gathering for clears.
I've never understood why it is so damn difficult for good groups to shout and fill up their spots and give some other players the benefit of their skill and expertise, and instead would rather wait for buyers to appear. I suspect the implicit argument is that it is not worth their time unless they are getting an additional large amount of gil, however I would counter by offering the suggestion that if you are so capped on content that literally the only beneficial activity you can do is to sell carries to your server, what good does additional gil do for you? Are you not already able to clear every single piece of content with ease? Will a 20th RME really impact your performance that much? Do you not have any emphathetic bone in your body for the community of FFXI?
Sorry for the rant, but the game is in a precarious position, and I think the community really needs to empower itself to make things better.
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