What Job Is Generally Sought After

yup that's the meta of the game, vicious cycle, what makes people leave the game, diminish the players, remaining people cant get stuff done so the buy a new account and dual multi box content, alienating more people, just to get what they want and it starts alll over again

They already do, they just use Moogles.

Who are we kidding? SCH, BLM, GEO is all you need for 96% of end game content.

No, if you are a returning player, use a support job to gear the job you like until it is ready for higher end stuff. Then, once geared, you can go do endgame content in your favorite job (within reason). If you never left and progressed through all the stages, you probably already have an aegis, or a 1200 acc melee, or a 550+ jp sch, or a death blm. No one said you need to play geo until you can solo old content on war.

The issue is people don't want to pay their dues. They feel entitled to bring their favorite job in sparks gear to all engame content and be carried by all the people who put in the work. And when thing go badly, those are always the people who complain the most.

So you just had to 1% up me on my previous post?

Handies and blowies top the list.

The game's content doesn't stop at 135. Accuracy requirements are very lenient on 135 content. If you plan to do Maju or Neak with a melee setup, will you still not be using Torpor/Precision? Again, I repeat that at the end of the day, it doesn't matter as you're going to have 2 GEO in your party.

Edit: Though I do agree that bringing melee past 135 is not really feasible and should just use mages.

you know what. i kinda miss the old Abyssea and Voidwatch endgame stuff, at least that time we had something call proc!! and it gave every job a chance to join in the pt that able to do red blue yellow proc. and for that 18 exp/merit man pt?. anyone mostly was able to start a pt and jump in. fun happy times,

No, just stfu right there. As soon as you said "miss the old Abyssea and Voudwatch...proc!!" we knew this wasn't a genuine comment. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY misses that content.

I wasn't gonna say anything, but now I think I'll weigh in. That sentence is a little narrow minded. I mean from that I can gather that even if melees have the accuracy, gear etc, most still wouldn't bring them to content past 135. That's just sad. Are people that lazy now that they can't break out of the cookie cutter setup? *sigh* I find that in itself discouraging to DPS players and or people who plan on returning and a mage onry setup is the only setup that the majority will take. It's like saying "We can't be bothered with your melee jobs cause *insert cookie cutter bandwagon job *cough blu cough* here* is better and we don't want our healers wasting mana". >_>

sooo having a content bring a geo to get all the gear for your fav job to have some what of a small chance to even join a endgame with (job name here) vs i can use whatever job i love for the endgame because of the proc system?

That's cute.

Abyssea is basically just mnk or nin or thf, a whm healer, and a blm/brd for magic proc, war for red proc. Every once in awhile, you have a dnc there making everyone around them hate abyssea.

Job usage is much more diverse now than it was back then.

Procs were *** terrible. Playing proc-*** in VW was the only time I've ever hated playing BLU. Abyssea procs were manageable, but also much more exclusionary if you wanted to be efficient about it.

Damn someone opened a can of worms. Imagine Voidwatch with geo and rune. We need a geo for procs. Can a geo cast geo fury? Rune use lux for procs. Hell we need All 20 jobs to cover all procs but there's only 18 members for Alliances.

Playing Blu during VW procs was ridiculous. Needed 2 blus to make sure you could all the magic procs listed, otherwise you had to wait 5 minutes or so for the newly equipped spell to reset the list. And by then the alliance would kill it, tell you you're a horrible blue mage, or the alliance wiped, and blamed the blue mage for not setting every single spell listed.

The Voidwatch proccing system was my absolute least favorite period in the game as a BLU, by a very far margin. I still despise VW after all these years, even when I'm not proccing.

Last content I can even remember being challenging and fun was Legion. Idk where this Abyssea and proc love comes from, is it because it was so easy you could almost do it afk on any job?

Legion, to me, was very fun with groups. I also enjoyed ZNM. Early days of Salvage (where we had to figure it out and use actual strategy to clear floors/pop NMs) was really fun, despite bee and spider NMs NEVER DROPPING.

But abyssea and Voidwatch were so flawed (moreso VW) that they actually have events that circumvent that whole proccing system, because it was utter rubbish. And the drop rates on some of the best gear was so laughable, that you can come as your "favorite job" but you're not getting anything worthwhile until 500+ stones in.

PUP was one of the worst jobs for Abyssea. Sure, you can punch stuff real good, but it was screwed for procs. I don't think PUP had a single Abyssea proc that you could get without setting a subjob.

I recently got the horns for Ochain and was pleasantly surprised that the best way to get NM pops was to build up amber lights (another thing PUP can't do in Aby without the right subjob, thank you Shantotto II for the blue and amber) and get the KI from a gold chest. I got all 75 of them in a week.

lol what do you mean about that? it sucks without the "right subjob"? if that the case let see how many other jobs perform without the "right subjob". back then before the soa stuff i made videos soloing many! of the abyssea NMs that other jobs had a difficult time doing and even proc red some. so ya saying it one of the worst job?. it one of the hardest over price job to master

I don't know if you're blind or intentionally being dumb. He said it's one of the worst for Abyssea farming as it lacks the proccing ability of other jobs. Read what people say instead of jumping to conclusions.

CL135 is about ~1400 accuracy requirement, which is reasonable for people to reach. The next step up is CL145 and your slamming into a 1600+ accuracy requirement wall which is the point where it's simply more trouble then it's worth.

Also the purposes of my doing melee at CL135, which practically nobody does, is to give players who enjoy melee jobs yet must come to events as GEO / BLMs / ect.. a chance to play that tricked out melee. Rua, one of our Idris GEO's, absolutely loves his DRG and DRK but understandably never gets to use them on big stuff and thus this provides an opportunity for people to kill big dangerous stuff on melee's. Artificially limiting the DD pool selection to BLU / DNC / DRG due to obscene accuracy requirements and then doing the content in a super slow method is counter productive.

That's being generous, most of abyssea could be done with counterstancing mnk and whm during thunder/light/dark day at blunt hour.

Puppetmaster had access to all of the Blue H2H procs aside from Asuran Fists by virtue of it being your main. Staff and Club skill I do not think it had any of, so you would have to be relying on /WAR, which with Pitchfork/+1 you had access to the Thunder element Red proc, and with an elemental staff (provided some extra +skill gear/all jobs ftw) and a low level club, got you three more Reds. sure, they were no WAR or NIN, which by their powers combined would net you every Red proc, but PUP was first able to shine in Abyssea.

PUP could stack Atmas like a Monk, pop off Stringing Pummel over Victory Smite, have their own dedicated WHM, and with stat inflation their B- Accuracy wasn't nearly the hindrance it was prior/leading up to the relatively recent bump to A+. Empyrean armor was finally a set with some nice stats to it, which, short of Usukane, you were left with a hodgepodge of Enkidu's and Relic prior. the only thing PUP really lost over Monk was Kicks/Counters, and some Blue Proc flexibility, in favor of the Automaton.

The reason people don't bring melees to lv 145 content is because it takes 1600-1800 acc to hit them. Blu doesn't go melee them any more than any other job. So don't call blu "cookie cutter bandwagon job," just because you have no idea what's going on. Some of us have loved that job for the better part of a decade and stuck with it even during the bad years.

I actually do miss abyssea in some ways, but that was just because the time investment/reward ratio felt right. It was terrible for job diversity.

Whm/Thf - TH3 with Tarutaru Sash.
Nin/War - Red Procs
Blm/Brd - Yellow Procs

Done, could do anything quickly and efficiently.

Mnk + Whm was good for the Blue Proc situation, Rani, Shinryu, etc.

I agree the effort vs reward was great. The "super players" who grind out everything ASAP and then complain about being bored will abuse the system, but the other 95% of the player population really enjoyed that content. Then Tanaka came back, flipped his ***and decided to reintroduce glacial reward progression based on randomness, aka voidwatch box's.

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As a method of distributing gear, Voidwatch was terrible. As a method of flooding the economy with minted gil via chocobo blinkers, it was the tops!