FFXI @ TGS 2015 - Farewell Video

the translated video is not 100% accurate, as the final message is literally "14th year also, thank you". so they're basically saying thank you for sticking with them these 14 years.

people can return to arguing over the virtues/lack thereof of FFXI vs FFXIV now.

He already posted a few links, you guys are attacking him so hard when hes is pretty much correct.

I don't see what the big deal about subscription MMOs are. I do understand the market is changing and people are going away from subs but these are the same scrubs that dump 60 dollars onto the next madden game that is the SAME ***as the last one with updated stats/characters to use? These people are such hypocrites lol. They spend more on things they don't need or games they will play for a short time than they would being subbed to an MMO, so I don't really understand. Most of those freebie games have a lot restrictions and don't have what a full MMO can offer.


This just makes me laugh.

He hasn't posted any accurate links of HW sales. VGchartz has never, ever been accurate and doesn't include digital sales, which we all know make up the vast majority of all expansion sales. So no, he isn't "pretty much correct," he is making things up and passing them off as fact.

What is he making up? That was one point, hes made multiple ones. It's a fact they didn't have over 1m subs considering SE said they had that number from all of their MMO's combined. He has made good points.

Besides the fact that he is making up HW failing, he also just made up 14 being one of the most expensive MMOs to make, while also omitting the important context of the difference of cost between making a game in 2001 and today. I would like to see him back that claim up, because I don't think SE has ever shared that information. I know ESO cost 200m+, Destiny cost 200+m, SWTOR cost 400+m.

He is also trying to make a point that XI has made more than 14 and 14 won't catch it, which is a huge assumption. Of course a game that has been out for 14 years will have made more than a game thats been out for 2+. Thats not a point in XI's favor. Its an assumption that 14 won't catch up to XI.

Depends on what you mean by failing. It didn't fail in a sense that they still made money, but it didn't reach expectations that even SE had for it.

I also think you are ignoring how expensive XIV really was to make. Did you maybe forget about 1.0? I'm not supporting him in saying it was the most expensive MMO to make, because I realistically don't know, but just assuming the average MMO costs X amount of money to make, and SE did it twice for 1 game.

I'm not sure they even sell physical copies outside of the SE store (and outside of the pre orders)... I was going to buy a PS4 copy of heavensward since I have gift cards to burn but I've yet to see it when I've been at a gamestop.

SteamSpy helps out a bit these days with digital sales on Steam at least. But it doesn't include expansions as you mentioned.

Who on Earth plays FFXI on Steam

XIV on steam sucks too apparently, I don't think most people play it that way

300K people according to SteamSpy :P

But yeah point noted, I bought the game through Steam but never once used the Steam version to actually play.

I wonder if windower.net has a download count to help fill in the gaps a bit. Though that'd still be an inaccurate number since there's people who occasionally need to reinstall or simply update it.

On that note, I'd be cool if there was a way to integrate steam overlay with windower launcher.

The problem with XIV on Steam is they wouldn't let people register their 1.0 codes and download 2.0 from them. Anyone playing through Steam will likely be people who started from 2.0 onwards unless they bought the rights to the game again.

Every link he's posted has no source for their numbers and are just more statistics pulled out of the arse, much like most of what he's posting. The first link (where XI was 31st) was a random user's profile with zero links to where they obtained the data. You call that proof? Compare that to SE's stock market report for 2014, where they're legally obligated to provide as much transparency as possible for their shareholders... If that's your definition of proof then I pity you.

The amusing point is that at no point has anybody actually madly defended XIV. We're just calling someone so desperate to externalize his hatred for XIV on his ***. Yet, you insist (along with him, hmm...) on accusing us of "defending it hard".

At this point it says more about you two than it does any of us. Nobody's taking your XI from you Draylo. Chill out.

I mean I bought it on Steam but I launch the game through Windower, does that count?

Um not true, in that very link it has a reference at the top which links to a wikia with a Fiscal year report. It only goes to 2011 but it still proves his point. It wasn't the only link he posted either.


Don't try to bring me into your little argument, I have said nothing except one line to "defend" him lol(also hmm, if you're suggesting hes my sock account you are one gigantic idiot.) I also never typed anything remotely close in this thread that is accusing people of defending it. I'm hardly pretending like anyone is trying to take away XI nor do I need to chill out. I think you are trying way too hard atm.

lol wat, and I'm the one trying too hard...

Try reading your posts and you'll see? I don't know how else to take that little "along with him, hmm..." so maybe you could explain?

You are trying to make it seem like I'm going on some kind of tirade when I made one post in support for him and that's pretty much it. How exactly are you getting the idea that I feel someone is "taking my XI" from me and where do you read posts that suggest I feel people are "defending it hard"?

You really are trying too hard, quickly responding and hastily editing your post to get a quick jab. You really aren't making sense.

It says an awful lot about you that that's what you took from that, lol. Explain? Nah. What's the point? You've told me enough about you to know that any continuation of this discussion with you is pointless. Ta ta.


Actually, I corrected a grammatical error, but since nobody can see what the post originally said, good job scoring a free point. Now you really are trying too hard but continue to act like it's me. ;)

This is the part where you look like you are trying too hard. Acting smug and being vague to try and make it seem like you "won" in some fashion. Don't try to bring me into your debate and accuse me of typing things that I didn't type.

I'll end this shenanigan! FFXI > FFXIV Nothing to it. Its like comparing a 1966 mustang to a 2015 mustang. Yes, the new one is nice and everyone likes , because it has so many new features, but damm everyone knows the 1966 is the better one regardless if its old! Also you guys need hugs <3 :3 *hugs*

I won't be surprised if XIV will end up scooping up more money than XI has, however whether the comparative net gain will be higher I don't know. And that is because XIV will very doubtfully last as long..or rather it'll probably evolve into something else which is really hard to hypothesize.

I think that is hard to say, I doubt it will last as long as a sub based game like XI did though. XI is even coming out into the mobile market with a possible F2P/cash shop thing so that would add to their gains as well.

"Here's your chance to to say I'm right, but I bet you won't". Well obviously, because you've posted several glaringly incorrect 'facts' with no citation. But I'll respond to your individual points nonetheless.


Yes, it's highly unlikely it did. But there's no proof it did and there's no proof it didn't so who can be sure? I'd also like to point out that I never said it did have 1m subs. I said it has over 1m characters - something both the census and their financial reports state. At no point did I draw any correlations between this and active subscriptions, other than providing relativity by suggesting there's less cause for mules on XIV than XI.


Yes, it has shrunk and for good reason. Never denied it and never will.


Yes. It's obviously got a bigger budget because they were very intent on making it successful following the debacle of 1.0 - but does that hold back its cash flow now? They did a good job of turning 1.0 round and manifesting it into 2.0 and it's now generating a steady surplus of cash. Given enough time, there's no reason why it won't produce huge profits. It's already turning a yearly profit but yes, offset by the loss of 1.0, they have a way to go. Nobody's denying that!


It's well documented that several of the original 1.0 team lost their jobs as a result of how ***it was, but I believe your implication is it cost people jobs outside of that? If so, citation needed.


I accept that XIV has not made the money XI has, but I don't accept that it won't. Ten years is a long time and today's gaming market has a lot more money being thrown around. Will it beat XI? Who can say. But with the gains it's currently making it's on course to.


I replied to your civil approach with civility, but I will not humour your personal attacks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I'm not being smug and I don't think I won. I just know when to stop bothering, dude.

My biggest concern with the mobile XI is how much they'll potentially water it down. For example, will it be access to the full game we have now, or will a lot of the core features we enjoy be omitted? I can see it being wildly successful if it's near enough a full port, but less so if lots of things are missing. In the latter case it will be largely nostalgia that drives people to get it, rather than the product itself. With such a port it would be difficult to lure new players as well, but with the complete XI package they could tap into the mobile gaming market that will include people who have never touched an MMO before. Potentially lucrative!

I just wish they'd done something like it sooner, but I suppose it all comes back to their continued support of the console versions.

Final Fantasy Grandmasters is nothing like FFXI. It is very fun though.

It is only a spin-off though. The main remake is still in the works (I hope) which was officially called "FFXI Native App" for now.

It is a bit strange that there is still no announcement about that one...

Edit: The most recent article I could find about it was posted in June: http://www.siliconera.com/2015/06/26/hows-that-mobile-version-of-final-fantasy-xi-coming-along/

According to that article, Yoshida had told them he had seen a working version (I believe something like a tech demo). Better than nothing, I guess.

I imagine it's the same as the proposed XIV mobile app, "Please look forward to it". Hopefully we'll hear about it just before or after the November patch.

Let's just hope it doesn't get stuck in development hell.

When I read the article is was reported they were the same game, Kotaku has since retracted that here