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[Dev] Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs
Carbuncle.Shokox
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2012-02-10 09:55:30
OK :(
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-02-10 10:06:58
So I hear PUP does well in Dynamis? Seems I might have to regear it and annoy people who hate pet classes.
Quetzalcoatl.Pyroelf
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By Quetzalcoatl.Pyroelf 2012-02-10 10:33:20
02-02-2012 04:25 PM | Camate | Community Rep | |
| Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs
We started to look into fixing thief so their Treasure Hunter is actually useful however, we realized who we were and said LOL THF and nerfed Beastmaster instead. All is right in Vana'diel.
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ftfy
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By Ragnarok.Baconchips 2012-02-10 10:56:23
Go ahead and keep playing pet classes. I'll just keep taking the procced mobs when they go white because you're too greedy to have only 1 mob
Cerberus.Valmur
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By Cerberus.Valmur 2012-02-10 10:57:44
That would only work on idiots lol :3
Bismarck.Markas
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By Bismarck.Markas 2012-02-10 11:13:22
smn can already get TH
unless it doesnt mean what i think it means
Lakshmi.Rearden
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-02-10 11:16:33
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »So I hear PUP does well in Dynamis? Seems I might have to regear it and annoy people who hate pet classes. Gonna follow you and make your life into poop
Phoenix.Bomber
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By Phoenix.Bomber 2012-02-10 11:24:27
Quetzalcoatl.Pyroelf said: » 02-02-2012 04:25 PM | Camate | Community Rep | |
| Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs
We started to look into fixing thief so their Treasure Hunter is actually useful however, we realized who we were and said LOL THF and nerfed Beastmaster instead. All is right in Vana'diel.
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ftfy Is this for real...
Siren.Kyte
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By Siren.Kyte 2012-02-10 11:34:48
lol
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By Bahamut.Fistandantilus 2012-02-10 13:56:43
Quetzalcoatl.Pyroelf said: » 02-02-2012 04:25 PM | Camate | Community Rep | |
| Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs
We started to look into fixing thief so their Treasure Hunter is actually useful however, we realized who we were and said LOL THF and nerfed Beastmaster instead. All is right in Vana'diel.
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ftfy Is this for real...
That's what you get as a finished product when you google translate the Jp dev responses.
Phoenix.Esaias
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By Phoenix.Esaias 2012-02-10 14:22:02
Dear SE,
We love nerfs, so let's not stop at just TH. randomize all procs or do away with them. Make TH not effect currency, and most of all require subjob lock on all zones. Let's make dyna everyone's second home. ^^
Bismarck.Markas
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By Bismarck.Markas 2012-02-10 14:27:14
Dear SE,
We love nerfs, so let's not stop at just TH. randomize all procs or do away with them. Make TH not effect currency, and most of all require subjob lock on all zones. Let's make dyna everyone's second home. ^^
Phoenix.Esaias
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By Phoenix.Esaias 2012-02-10 14:59:44
Dear SE,
We love nerfs, so let's not stop at just TH. randomize all procs or do away with them. Make TH not effect currency, and most of all require subjob lock on all zones. Let's make dyna everyone's second home. ^^ SCORE!
By Ericnuke 2012-02-10 16:16:18
So, where does ranger come in with TH? I mean at least bsts TH in valid in that it comes from the pet and not the master. Wouldn't corsair have some TH since they are a pirate? Or while at it give TH to every job, not like it works anyway. I suppose TH on pets was too much since it was the one thing that actually worked for TH. It will be refreshing to see all the pearlefarminglolbst gone!
By mortontony1 2012-02-10 16:24:12
I don't get why a ranger gets higher TH than a thf type familiar mob and I never will.
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By Fenrir.Skadoosh 2012-02-10 16:27:54
So, where does ranger come in with TH? I mean at least bsts TH in valid in that it comes from the pet and not the master. Wouldn't corsair have some TH since they are a pirate? Or while at it give TH to every job, not like it works anyway. I suppose TH on pets was too much since it was the one thing that actually worked for TH. It will be refreshing to see all the pearlefarminglolbst gone! Doubt the BSTs will leave even if nerfed to TH1. BST rapes old content and is hardly ever at risk of dying, even with 10 adds.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-02-10 16:45:38
Bounty Shot was supposed to be a COR JA but since SE was too lazy to come up with something relevant to RNG so they gave it to RNG instead.
Or at least this is what I tell myself.
Bismarck.Helel
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-02-10 16:55:22
RNG is my favorite job, but I will never understand the reasoning behind bounty shot. It's one of the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE job abilities in the game, not because it's useless, but because it makes no sense why a ranger (out of all the jobs) should have TH.
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By Shiva.Redpheonix 2012-02-10 17:05:30
Ranger's are hunter gather types maybe so it would make sense to me that they have some way to salvage more from a monster they killed just becasue it is primarily a Thief trait does not mean you have to think of treasure hunter as being justified to only jobs that match that criteria of being a Thief.
Also it's not useless as it serves a purpose assuming you don't have a Thief it is better than nothing and another reason to bring a Ranger along in addition to its widescan ability when after certain NM's or old content.
Fenrir.Kaomii
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By Fenrir.Kaomii 2012-02-11 04:34:43
Remember the Treasure Hunter rumors from years ago? Like having a 4-leaf mandragora bud, lucky egg, rabbit's tail, and Millionaire's desk somehow helped the player find items easier? I remember there was a short period of time where players thought finishing the monster (ie Fafnir) off with Eagle Eye Shot somehow resulted in better drops. I can't recall when the theory went away... maybe around the time distance penalties were introduced.
Anyway, I've always thought Bounty Shot was more of a nod to that, like finding Refresh scrolls off Taisai.
02-02-2012 04:25 PM | Camate | Community Rep | |
| Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs
As an adjustment to the balance of Treasure Hunter at level 99, the below pets will have their Treasure Hunter effect changed to Treasure Hunter I.
-Dipper Yuly
-Faithful Falcorr
※These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger.
Here is the premise regarding the hierarchy of the Treasure Hunter effect (from strongest to weakest).
Thief
Ranger
Support job thief
Other jobs
※As ranger received the new “Bounty Shot” as a support ability, it is now slightly more beneficial than a support job Treasure Hunter when effectively used.
However, with the increase in the level cap from 75 to 99, this ordering has started to become ambiguous, so in order to clearly define the premise again, our current aim was to find adjustments appropriate to follow this.
The prime example of changes to this hierarchy were with the increase in the Treasure Hunter effect for familiar pets due to the level cap increase and we would like to start by adjusting this area.
The development team looked into routes to adjust this, such as changing the pet’s job, lowering the stats of the pets in exchange for not lowering the Treasure Hunter effect, revamping the pet’s special abilities, etc., but ultimately they made the decision to preserve their fighting capabilities and only reduce their Treasure Hunter effect. To go along with this adjustment, we will be easing up on the materials required to synthesize “Lucky Broth” which created with the basis of the Treasure Hunter effect in mind.
※The current focus of this adjustment is for familiar pets, but in the future if automatons and avatars are given Treasure Hunter, we will be adopting the same policy.
To give a bit more insight, the development team looked into a completely different direction on this at first, exploring if they could establish proper balance to follow this idea by changing the drop rate table. However, if they were to change the drop rates, the obtainment rate for every single item would change and the effects would be too drastic, so they came to the conclusion that they would not be adjusting the drop rates. | |
02-07-2012 04:50 PM | Camate | Community Rep | |
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Since we have seen some comments related to Dynamis for this discussion about the effect of Treasure Hunter amongst jobs, first I would like to respond to this.
The aforementioned adjustment is not geared towards specific content, as jobs adjustments are considered to have large effects on everything. Regardless of the existing content, we are considering the case of adding new content in the future and decided it was necessary to re-examine the guidelines and make adjustments.
Continuing on, here are some comments in regards to some feedback we have received.
Faithful Falcorr
Since this is a thief-type pet, many of you were hoping for a strong Treasure Hunter effect and we apologize deeply for lowering the effect. We will be looking into adjustments for Falcorr so that this pet can be utilized differently than Yuly and increase the amount of time it is called for, in addition to the previously mentioned recipe changes.
Selection between battle capability of pets/Treasure Hunter
This was an exploration of where the beastmaster job has been placed; a job that focuses on fighting alongside a pet, or a job that focuses on Treasure Hunter. We felt that the former was much more fitting and believe that you all feel the same. Based on this decision, we began to look into adjustments of the benefits of Treasure Hunter. Of course, this doesn’t mean that Treasure Hunter is impermissible as a means of support for pets, and the effect itself will remain intact.
Exploration of attack aspects
Finally, the current focus of this adjustment was Treasure Hunter and adjustments to attack aspects is a different thing to look into. The equation isn’t as simple as saying if a pet has a high value of TH, then attack power will not be raised, and we will be continuing to make necessary adjustments while making the most of each job’s strengths. | |
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