helel: well actually no... 3rd atma is allways apoc.. but thats for me... i was asking if there was something better than VV and RR for heavy strike.... if i would have to choose a 3rd i would go with SS or str... but didnt saw the benefit of choosing SS over RR alone...
and for eikechi, yeah i see your point in spamming that... but well i was thinking more of a mix set up that allows a boost in cdc and this new spell..
Test Server Findings.
test server findings.
and RR/SS/Apoc is still a good mix of DD + crit+ atma... i dont see the issue in dropping VV. yeah yeah 50 STR is nice and all, but +60% crit dmg is pretty f-in sick to a spell that will ALWAYS crit... just sayin.
the main problem with using RR/SS/Apoc on most crit hit jobs, is you lose the 20% crit RATE from GH so SS isn't quite as useful. ya it spikes nicely but you lose 20%...20% rate is a lot (and 50 agi for evade/SB bonus and Blade hi mod..but thats not even the point). So using GH balances out the crit WSs... now a spell that AUTO crits, doesn't have this issue.. +60% dmg in atma alone is enough to justify using it.
the main problem with using RR/SS/Apoc on most crit hit jobs, is you lose the 20% crit RATE from GH so SS isn't quite as useful. ya it spikes nicely but you lose 20%...20% rate is a lot (and 50 agi for evade/SB bonus and Blade hi mod..but thats not even the point). So using GH balances out the crit WSs... now a spell that AUTO crits, doesn't have this issue.. +60% dmg in atma alone is enough to justify using it.
Running MB tests on the CDC -> Heavy Strike SC right now, will know exactly what it does veeeeeery soon.
I'm having a hell of a time finding anything that actually survives CDC>Heavy strike when each is doing around 3~5k in abysea and 1.2~3k out of abyssea. Are you testing on an NM or something?
Yes, chukwa to ensure it survives. Also I suggest not using crit atmas for the test, makes mobs last longer than 1 spell. D:
Ah, I see. I'd offer to help test this out but I can only be on the test server when my LS isn't doing an event at the moment. If this does chain that is cool, if it has not skill chain properties it is reasonable considering I'm seeing this spell do upwards of 6k. A very powerful spell indeed.
Edit: Yes, that is why I tried it on some high def mobs outside of abyssea also, but ran into the same problem where the mobs HP didn't last through the two combined. Currently solo testing this since I only just got on the test server a few hours ago and don't have full support or my macros situated to accommodate tougher fights.
Edit: Yes, that is why I tried it on some high def mobs outside of abyssea also, but ran into the same problem where the mobs HP didn't last through the two combined. Currently solo testing this since I only just got on the test server a few hours ago and don't have full support or my macros situated to accommodate tougher fights.
So far it doesn't seem like it actually does chain with CDC. I'm running into some snags though... sometimes the MB on SCs I've already 100% been able to replicate aren't showing up, with proper timing.
Definitely Fragmentation though:
(That heavy strike is with all regen atmas. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm)
Definitely Fragmentation though:
(That heavy strike is with all regen atmas. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm)
Friend of mine sent me a SS of his Heavy strike damage, Said he was able to Reach 5500 with max str gear
I'm tempted to try one in max STR gear with appropriate atmas and Eff+CA.
I'd try it out myself, but.. ughh no spellcast is freaking annoying :/
CDC -> Heavy Strike doesn't appear to make any skillchain. :\ Oh well, the spell is still pretty amazing.
Awhh :/
Guess it's benthic typhoon till the 95-99 update then :<
Guess it's benthic typhoon till the 95-99 update then :<
hmm, since it doesnt SC with cdc, would dual str shamshirs be better ~.~
91+114 STR CA/EFF 300TP (counting the 150 from efflux) Probably a set proc, was too close to AL damage.
91+144 STR CA/EFF/AL 300TP
Benthic still to close, yeah.
91+144 STR CA/EFF/AL 300TP
Benthic still to close, yeah.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
hmm, since it doesnt SC with cdc, would dual str shamshirs be better ~.~
Obviously if you're not meleeing then knock yourself out, but that's generally not the case.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
CDC -> Heavy Strike doesn't appear to make any skillchain. :\ Oh well, the spell is still pretty amazing.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
hmm, since it doesnt SC with cdc, would dual str shamshirs be better ~.~
Obviously if you're not meleeing then knock yourself out, but that's generally not the case.
it is for me. There are lots of instances where I don't melee to reduce tp feed. So I can afford to change weapons as much as I please.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
hmm, since it doesnt SC with cdc, would dual str shamshirs be better ~.~
Obviously if you're not meleeing then knock yourself out, but that's generally not the case.
it is for me. There are lots of instances where I don't melee to reduce tp feed. So I can afford to change weapons as much as I please.
anyone have any info on the ice spell that was in the .dat vid posted?
would the new doom spell make the magic acc swords somewhat useful now or would dark staff(guessing its a dark spell)be better?
idk there was alot in the dat mining from last update thats not on the test server, making me think they not giving us everthing they adding in the test. if they added in everything at once on the server and it all sucked or w/e theyd prolly loose some players.
This isn't even close to the first time that they've added dats without implementing them immediately/at all.
ah, wondered why no one talked about it. also lets hope heavy strike is 100%crit and not just a bug on the test server would really help blu with hnm/high def mobs.
Doesn't seem like Dark Orb has any secrets about it. Just another dark-element nuke to rotate with EG at first glance, should we ever feel the need to Cosmos it up.
Combined with Comet and Klaustra, this update shows its love for darkness.
Combined with Comet and Klaustra, this update shows its love for darkness.
kinda disappointing no phalanx but barrier tusk will help still, but any info on new/upgraded job traits? they said in the feedback they were planning on upgrading dual wield,counter, fast cast etc possibly
STR sword adds 1 STR, no attack, base dmg pushed to 57.
DA sword adds 2 base damage, no double attack.
Bleh.
DA sword adds 2 base damage, no double attack.
Bleh.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
STR sword adds 1 STR, no attack, base dmg pushed to 57.
DA sword adds 2 base damage, no double attack.
Bleh.
DA sword adds 2 base damage, no double attack.
Bleh.
That is pretty weak. What are the requirements to advance to that end-piece? How ridiculous are the trials for it?
STR sword = Flame Geode x40
DA sword = Silver Mirror x200
I.E. not worth it
DA sword = Silver Mirror x200
I.E. not worth it
Wow, that is incredibliy disappointing... I was hope for at least an additional +3 Attack on those and another -1% Physical Damage Taken.
any test on the new acc of heavy strike?? did SE nerf sudden lunge?? in what way?
Quetzalcoatl.Rokusho said: »
any test on the new acc of heavy strike?? did SE nerf sudden lunge?? in what way?
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