Does Ffxi Suck Now?

I would never believe such a outlandish statement.

at this point, anything "new" that comes out is just seconds from the Japs who've already abused the *** out of the content.

wow that was fast.

TBH I don't see why ppl have a problem with you..I mean sure you talk out of your *** sometimes..but who doesn't?

why? We've believed far more outlandish revelations than this.

I'd say it is more orientated towards casual gamers but I assumed you were implying that it is only orientated toward casual gamers. Before in FFXI, casual gamers were basically cast aside. Now there is a pretty huge amount of content available for casual gamers and more hardcore ones (AF3+2 sets, Empyreans, etc).


This is true, but I would argue that's more of a paradigm shift towards lesser numbers. This equally means that one screw up has a greater influence on the outcome of the event (unless it's something dumb like Diaga in a large dynamis); previously screwups or even tanks dying etc could be covered up by the wall of waiting bodies.


Cheap brews are broken - no contest here. However, most of the best gear comes from multiples of items (multiple +2 items, multiple Empyrean drops etc) so unless someone has WAY too many brews to use, it won't give them a huge leap forward.


How much time something takes is difficulty in the objective sense of the word, but it is artificial difficulty - tedium. Killing Fafnir 50x for a Ridill was never difficult and clearing Dyna-Xarc 10x for a D Chap was also never difficult. It was just time consuming.

Imagine all drops in FFXI were 100%: which are difficult to get? I don't think artificial difficulty is very good game design (it nonetheless exists even in Abyssea, but less so).


I'd disagree, but to go more into this would require defining skill - groups still struggle to kill lots of mobs, and people still wipe to many mobs (some of my Briareus Helms can attest to this). While you can argue that this is dealing with extremely low tier players, the fact remains that a decent chunk of the content is still too challenging for your average player.


My Mithra ranting is helpful?!

hard does not equal time consuming. It might be a hard game because, well, because you might be the stupid one.

Perhaps I was not 100% clear on my FPS anallogy let me clarify.


Let's first divide all players by 5 levels of skill into tiers.

Tier 1 - pro/semi-pro competitive gamers constantly playing in a competitive setting very active in tournaments and ladders
Tier 2 - well skilled players dominate public rooms/servers often part of a competitive team but not ranked on the top of the ladders
Tier 3 - casual players who can hold their own always do better than average and occasionally do great. usually play pretty often
Tier 4 - bad players who play very often these player love to play and play often but have difficulty ever finding their way to the top of the board
Tier 5 - straight noob players who play casually and are plain and simple terribad they get humiliated so bad by great players that they don't even realize it they still have fun while they play so more power to them.


What I'm saying is skill is a huge factor in separating these players. In a competitive setting and even a public setting its rare that a Tier 5/4/3 will ever get the "best" of the Tier 1 players. In a competitive setting 9 times out of 10 that Tier 1 team is going to beat that Tier 2 team no matter how great a strat that Tier 2 team has, they simply get outclassed I've seen it a million times.

The gap between Tier 1 and Tier 2 is pretty big its easy to tell the difference same with Tier 2 to Tier 3 decently size gap often the difference between someone with tournament / ladder experience who is familiar with playing with a team or clan vs someone who is not. Now that being said the difference between a Tier 1 and Tier 3/4/5 is insanely huge. Little to no strat will that Tier 3 team beat the Tier 1 team it just doesn't matter because like I said they are just outclassed by that vig of a gap.

The level in skill between all the Tier 1 players is usually pretty small there is a very exclusive 3-5 players in the world on top of that Tier 1 that you can really even see a gap. Other than that everyone amongst the Tier 1 are all amazing and the team with the best strats, teamwork and communication is who wins over and over. That's why the pro teams have dedicated coaches and team managers who practice with them 15+ hrs a day. That's when that ***comes into play the 1st place team isn't ususally "twice" as good as the next team they don't usually completely dominate the other team in the finals due to skill.

This is my experience from being in and around competitive gaming for the last 10 years from many different games on different ladders tournaments or pro circuits.

Raen you honestly have no idea.

i wasn't the one who originally brought up the casual gamer thing btw.

i also never mentioned drop rates; i agree that it's artificial "difficulty," and tedious. but even if it takes less time because of artificial means, it's still geared more towards a casual player, but it seems like a lot of people have trouble taking that at face value; like i said earlier, sometimes it feels like people take it personally.

when i said that the game requires no skill, it doesn't mean that skilled players don't have an advantage. but a brew takes all of 2 hours? of mindless xp. i was referring to brews when i mentioned that, sorry if that was unclear.

and sometimes your mithra talk is just an afterthought (or maybe it's the helpful stuff that's the afterthought?)!

The game sucks if you think it sucks.

Idk..i kinda like being able to low man stuff nowadays rather than wait weeks of farming for a couple pop sets just to have a chance at maybe getting a drop. As for jobs getting "gimped" this seems like the norm for SE...they do an update..a job gets gimped/uber and then they play catch up trying to change things around to preserve "game balance". I wouldnt worry if pld or w/e the job is is gimped atm...im sure SE will do something NEXT update to bring it back on par. I know one thing...I can ever go back to the old school way of exp'ing again.

Replace "pop culture" with FFXI and "12" with the year you joined.



"The best period of FFXI happened when you joined at 2005"

Okay, I guess it doesn't exactly work...

The game has changed thats for sure. I'll say this though, my monk pre abyssea, was pretty decent, but i did spend 6 months getting my BB items, another 3 months in a sky ls to acquire shura togi, another 6 months waiting for haidate, quite a while trying to outclaim rmts in castle O. for O.kote before farming the gil to buy them. My 5/5 +2 mnk took me all of about 5 days maybe, sedna being the only real cockblock.

I'll take 5 days to get a somewhat optimal tp set over 6+ months of waiting in line to accumulate points to bid on something, just to miss an event due to work and fall behind in points then not get what i want for another 6 weeks. Same thing for my 5/5 homam, took me FORever to get those legs to finally drop when i was first in line.

No thanks. I prefer having fun with my gear instead of waiting to finally get it. And by fun, i mean standing afk in port jeuno :)

In all seriousness, the game doesnt suck now. As for cookie cutter, its like zorander said, there will ALways be cookie cutter, because there will always be the "best" tp set, the "best" ws set, the "best" pdt/mdt, w/e gear sets, there was at 75, 80, 85, 90 and it will keep happening. Now you can get those gear sets in a week, not a 6 months.
I know maybe a handful of people who have actually self funded their own relic weapons, i never had the time to put into this game to be able to do that. The fact that SE has allowed us to do emp weapons in a matter of weeks, i think is great. Game now > game before, its just plain less damn stressful lol.

I like this analogy a lot, especially with the tiers on how competativly some people play. I notice, the vets tend to think anyone from 2008 and prior is tier 1, but when Abyssea came, it put in a ton of 4 and 5s. On the other hand, I think there was probably a ton of 4 and 5s hiding amongst the older player base and Abyssea finally weeded them out. They imply that the game was actually difficult at one time, but based on anecdotes, it looked like jut a mass of who had more time on their hands, and that should never fluff up a game via artificial 'nintendo' hard if you will... a difficulty only instilled by bad game design or flaws, and not actual challenge.

(I fall in between 2 and 3, my knowledge of mechanics is extremely flawed, but I can hold my own in a pinch?)

@75 saw tons of people in homam/askar. @9 same people in pink blue white gear or empy gear. It is no different. I love how it is now and i have played since ps2 NA launch. I would much rather grab a friend or 2 get some shinies than wait in a huge ls line for some kitty pants for a year.(which i did)

To answer whether or not ffxi sucks depends on what you liked about ffxi in the past...

If you enjoyed the difficult challenges and being recognized for super awesome gear.. then ffxi sucks for now...

everything can be done in low man groups.. but hopefully when lvl 99 comes around it wont be like that any more ^^


If you enjoyed the casual aspects of ffxi and hanging around with friends then ffxi is better than ever.


Really depends on what you want from the game lol

Your opinion is wrong ok?

forgot to add

getting to kirin while drunk without agro... priceless

porting there on one port and watching others try to get there and be 1/9 and/or worst was even better

FFXI SUCKS NOW.

I like abyssea..

but I feel it will be the downfall of ffxi without any other sustaining content

oh hay it's Charlot

shut up and yes

Am famous lol :P
And i <3 xi abyssea love it or hate it gave the game some well needed ***for everyone to do .

I posted this a few weeks ago in Marrs' QQ thread about the same *** here.

If you don't want to play, then don't. Otherwise buck up and enjoy yourself for what the game has to offer, not for how much it never caters to your wants and needs.