Why Arent Melee Used Anymore

I completely agree with your standpoint, I simply meant a qualification in general so as to put everybody on the same page. If a support is at the bare minimum for content but can contribute well, I have no problem. An issue arises when they refuse to improve upon that gear, in my opinion. I know far too many GEOs, CORs, and BRDs who claim the job to be their main and yet look at you like a deer in headlights if you ask them to do anything other than buff.

It's nice to be cor main. Never have the problem of not being invited to stuff like the rest of these plebeians!

*wears crown and sets sail*

I already quantified it.
The minimum necessary level to be able to use that job into group content.
It's not the ending goal, it's a starting point, but from there you can start using the job and be useful for the rest of the group.

The amount of effort/time required to reach this level is really small.
For BRD you just need Eminent Flute, Terpander, some 109 AF/Relic/Empy and whatever else you can get or already have (FC, Macc, etc)
It's similar for GEO, recycle what gear you can from other mage jobs (nuke, macc, cpot, FC etc) and get a mixture of 109 AF/Relic/Empy + Dunna, and you can already start being useful in group content.
Even if you don't feel like nuking, you're still gonna be more useful than staying outside of the group because you have "no other job" or coming as a DD who's gonna miss, feed unnecessary TP, die too often and place unwanted stress on the other healers/support.

I wasn't talking like something that you gear to that point and keep it that way. I consider it a starting point from which you'll have to keep improving of course, but can start from there.
It's different from endlessly gathering gear for months before even being able to USE the job, which probably applies to other jobs.
Just not for GEO and BRD, imho.

Technically we would not invite a cor to our mage strat kills. I mean we might say screw it and bring you anyway but we'd have to make sure the extra hp added to the NM didn't make it obnoxious to kill. I say this because I don't think the damage from cor buffs added on top of focus/malaise/acumen/languor is equal to 1/6th of the mobs hp - which is what another body is adding in escha (and I say that as a cor enthusiast).

If all you're looking at is corsair buffs (which can increase each mage's ability to dole out upwards and over 20% of their damage from cor buffs), then you're a lazy and more than likely, stupid corsair. Considering you said nothing about the added damage from a corsair who's geared for the current content, through ranged attacks, quick draw, or through the ridiculous damage that can come from either Leaden Salute, or Wildfire (and sometimes even Last Stand. All of which more than makes up for the 1/6th added HP.

You're welcome to try and dd but if you *** up my immanence skill chain I am never doing anything with you again, and that includes interfering with the 2nd nuke on a magic burst volley. BTW it takes 1180 racc + precision + torpor to be able to hit a 135 mob in escha. You're not getting precision or torpor because we're using those geos for mage buffs. Your leadens will definitely be epic if the mob doesn't resist dark damage, perhaps 40k dmg if you have mythic. You will be able to do them as often as tacticians roll gives you tp and you will have to pay attention and hold your ws any time a skill chain is happening (which with our setup is fairly frequent). Bringing a job that doesn't mesh with our setup is a gamble because if they're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE they cost us the run - or at least make it last much longer.

Bst hate is most certainly not unheard of

Its comical because at one point it was a hard job to lvl post 75 if you didn't know what you were doing

Which is why I suggested more melee-friendly content. I don't want the entire game to be that way, because using mages/pets/rangers on dangerous NM should exist, but it shouldn't be the vast majority. Why can't SE make content which is melee-friendly, and less skillchain/magic friendly, with sleep resistance. Then you bring your tanks to hold mobs as melee DD wreck waves of mobs.

You're welcome to try and dd but if you *** up my immanence skill chain I am never doing anything with you again, and that includes interfering with the 2nd nuke on a magic burst volley. BTW it takes 1180 racc + precision + torpor to be able to hit a 135 mob in escha. You're not getting precision or torpor because we're using those geos for mage buffs. Your leadens will definitely be epic if the mob doesn't resist dark damage, perhaps 40k dmg if you have mythic. You will be able to do them as often as tacticians roll gives you tp and you will have to pay attention and hold your ws any time a skill chain is happening (which with our setup is fairly frequent). Bringing a job that doesn't mesh with our setup is a gamble because if they're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE they cost us the run - or at least make it last much longer.

But the point is it takes a bigger person to accept it than to fight it.

I love BST, it was the first job I managed to solo dynamis and NM in Abyssea with. BST should always have a place, it's PUP who gets no love whatsoever.

And as for DRK, the only time it seriously shined was during the voidwatch days, and then you had everyone jump on DRK and get a bandwagnarok. Now you rarely see a DRK, if you do they are stood around in town, or using a scythe in casual content.

Spoken like someone who never played pre-Abyssea or Dynamis changes.

There's a reason that the graveyards of cancelled accounts are littered with thousands of Apocs.

Don't judge me.

Eat me damagedealers!