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Gay Marriage Now Legal Across the US
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-06-26 12:02:42
Wont change much when it comes to churches and priests who wont comply for religious reasons. The government is going to have a hard time enforcing it. But as for justices of the peace, ship captains and others who are authorized more power to you.
No, but I'm going to guess that couples wouldn't want to be married by someone who doesn't approve of them anyway, so I doubt there will be much need to compel.
These types of battles are generational; the groundwork laid today means that thirty years from now, people will look at those types the same way you think about your crazy racist grandpa. Well you are wrong there i imagine there are lawsuits being filed all over the country right now against religious entities trying to force them to marry gay people. Because you know, we will force our opinion on you but dont you dare try to do it to me. lol...
Go wet your pants somewhere else.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-06-26 12:02:45
The very fact that there's people who think that equal civil rights for homosexual couples is a wound is just insane.
Same lot who don't believe in interracial marriage.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-26 12:03:02
Wont change much when it comes to churches and priests who wont comply for religious reasons. The government is going to have a hard time enforcing it. But as for justices of the peace, ship captains and others who are authorized more power to you. To my understanding, churches have the right to refuse to perform a marriage ceremony for anyone.
However, this prevents state and federal governments from not recognizing and according same-sex marriages (and the persons in the marriages) equal footing, rights, and responsibilities.
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-26 12:03:06
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Gay marriage being legal does nothing to do people who believe in traditional marriage. You can still choose not to go to gay weddings, espouse you believe it's wrong and rain hellfire from on throne high.
Surprised the SCOTUS didn't address this. Next year I guess.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-26 12:05:15
Wont change much when it comes to churches and priests who wont comply for religious reasons. The government is going to have a hard time enforcing it. But as for justices of the peace, ship captains and others who are authorized more power to you.
No, but I'm going to guess that couples wouldn't want to be married by someone who doesn't approve of them anyway, so I doubt there will be much need to compel.
These types of battles are generational; the groundwork laid today means that thirty years from now, people will look at those types the same way you think about your crazy racist grandpa. Well you are wrong there i imagine there are lawsuits being filed all over the country right now against religious entities trying to force them to marry gay people. Because you know, we will force our opinion on you but dont you dare try to do it to me. I believe there has already been case law about churches not performing services for members of their congregation in same-sexheterosexual marriages. I doubt that would change suddenly as a result of this ruling.
I'll see if I can dig up a court case.
*edit*
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-06-26 12:05:35
[Mod edit: Even in the service of a point, there's some things you can't say. Sorry. --Rooks]
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-26 12:06:33
for the slow ones: this is in jest
Glad you clarified. I don't know how I would have read between the lines.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-06-26 12:08:43
[Mod edit: Even in the service of a point, there's some things you can't say. Sorry. --Rooks]
Seha has been carted away to a reeducation camp.
- <3, the mods.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-06-26 12:09:49
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By Asura.Wormfeeder 2015-06-26 12:09:56
Battling against the religious institutions is pointless, why would you want to marry in a church that doesn't approve you anyway?
Smart people will understand this is about civil rights, not changing the shape of religions. The problem is that a good percentage of gays in this country are religious and they will want to get married in church. The church takes the bible pretty serious, especially leviticus.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-06-26 12:10:09
When my parents got married, my mother's church denied the marriage because my father wasn't the same denomination of Christian as my mother.
I took this as religion trying to prevent me from being born. Let it be known that Han Religion shot first.
By Ramyrez 2015-06-26 12:10:17
Ship captains, at least by the U.S. Naval codes and other laws regarding ships - commercial or military - cannot marry people.
I thought this too until I tried to find one to marry my wife and I for the sake of a bit of personalization to our small ceremony.
Can Boat Captains Really Marry People?
Quote: Reader Meredith wrote in with a question: "Why can boat captains marry people? Can other people in charge of other large vessels perform weddings?"
Meredith, if you plan to have a boat captain officiate your wedding (how Jim and Pam of you), I hope you read this before leaving port. While a good sailor knows that the captain is the ultimate authority on a ship, his or her power extends only so far. At one point, the United States Navy explicitly stated, "The commanding officer shall not perform a marriage ceremony on board his ship or aircraft."
What about non-Navy captains, though? Well that depends on the captain. They can't perform marriages at sea (or on dry land) by virtue of their maritime license alone, and no state has enacted a statute explicitly authorizing ships' captains to officiate marriages. However, if a captain also falls into one of the categories of "persons qualified to solemnize marriages" prescribed in laws of the state they're in, then they're good to go.
In the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, my home sweet home, these qualified persons are:
"¢ Active or retired justices, judges or magisterial district judges of the Commonwealth
"¢ Active or senior judges or full-time magistrates of the District Courts of the United States for the Eastern, Middle or Western District of Pennsylvania
"¢ Active, retired or senior bankruptcy judges of the United States Bankruptcy Courts for the Eastern, Middle or Western District of Pennsylvania who are residents of the Commonwealth
"¢ Active, retired or senior judges of the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit who are residents of the Commonwealth
"¢ Mayors of any cities or boroughs of the Commonwealth
"¢ Ministers, priests or rabbis of any regularly established church or congregation
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-26 12:10:30
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »[Mod edit: Even in the service of a point, there's some things you can't say. Sorry. --Rooks]
Seha has been carted away to a reeducation camp.
- <3, the mods.
We'll have to bookmark it as an example of the mods wristing a liberal, just in case that comes up again.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-06-26 12:11:09
Battling against the religious institutions is pointless, why would you want to marry in a church that doesn't approve you anyway?
Smart people will understand this is about civil rights, not changing the shape of religions. The problem is that a good percentage of gays in this country are religious and they will want to get married in church. The church takes the bible pretty serious, especially leviticus.
LOL no it doesn't. Or we'd be stoning those adulters, people who work on the sabbath, disobedient children to death.
Also Catholics don't follow the OT, Biblical literalism is borderline psychotic if you do it. Different denominations pick/choose what they want etc etc.
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By Bahamut.Seekerstar 2015-06-26 12:11:51
This should have never had to go this far to begin with.
Why are people so freaking consumed with the details of others' lives? How could Mary and Marie's relationship possibly impact your life if you aren't Mary or Marie, or related to them?
If God's against homosexuality and gay marriage, then it's his/her place to deal with it. Not individuals on their own. Even if your belief system condemns all LGBT people to fiery hell, you aren't the one in danger of it...so STFU and let people live their lives.
Yeah, I'm glad that the Supreme Court finally had their say about this, but Jesus, they shouldn't have had to.
To the "contributes to moral decay" crowd, if any: Teaching hatred contributes more toward moral decay than an act expressing love.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-06-26 12:11:54
Well you are wrong there i imagine there are lawsuits being filed all over the country right now against religious entities trying to force them to marry gay people. Because you know, we will force our opinion on you but dont you dare try to do it to me. specifically discusses this.
Quote: Respondents' argument that allowing same-sex couples to wed will harm marriage as an institution rests on a counterintuitive view of opposite-sex couples' decisions about mar-riage and parenthood. Finally, the First Amendment ensures that religions, those who adhere to religious doctrines, and others have protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths. Pp. 23–27.
Churches have never been required to marry anyone and there have been multiple cases affirming this right.
By Ramyrez 2015-06-26 12:13:49
The church takes the bible pretty serious, especially leviticus.
***.
How many church leaders wear blended fibers while in the pulpit?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-26 12:14:23
Keep in mind this does not extend to wedding chapels (which are for-profit entities, and don't enjoy the protections that churches do).
*edit* The right to refuse service due to religious belief is not extended
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-26 12:15:00
Wont change much when it comes to churches and priests who wont comply for religious reasons. The government is going to have a hard time enforcing it. But as for justices of the peace, ship captains and others who are authorized more power to you.
Just you wait, religious institutions are next. We'll soon hear calls to reject tax exempt statuses for Christian churches (Islam will be overlooked) because as an institution they hold the "wrong beliefs".
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-06-26 12:15:30
The church takes the bible pretty serious, especially leviticus.
***.
How many church leaders wear blended fibers while in the pulpit?
What does God have against Shrimp and Lobster?
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By Asura.Wormfeeder 2015-06-26 12:15:49
Oh and before start screaming at me for being a bigot dont. If gay people want to be married thats their choice, as long as no one is hurting people in pursuit of their happiness i dont care what they do.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-26 12:16:19
Wont change much when it comes to churches and priests who wont comply for religious reasons. The government is going to have a hard time enforcing it. But as for justices of the peace, ship captains and others who are authorized more power to you.
Just you wait, religious institutions are next. We'll soon hear calls to reject tax exempt statuses for Christian churches (Islam will be overlooked) because as an institution they hold the "wrong beliefs". You've been hearing calls for rejecting tax-except statuses for religious organizations for quite some time.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-06-26 12:16:54
Are we confusing the Old and New Testament again? How many times do I have to go over that?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-06-26 12:16:57
Wont change much when it comes to churches and priests who wont comply for religious reasons. The government is going to have a hard time enforcing it. But as for justices of the peace, ship captains and others who are authorized more power to you.
Just you wait, religious institutions are next. Dun dun DUUUUUUNNNNN
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By Asura.Wormfeeder 2015-06-26 12:17:00
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »The church takes the bible pretty serious, especially leviticus.
***.
How many church leaders wear blended fibers while in the pulpit?
What does God have against Shrimp and Lobster? Come on now you know what part i am talking about.
By Ramyrez 2015-06-26 12:17:31
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »The church takes the bible pretty serious, especially leviticus.
***.
How many church leaders wear blended fibers while in the pulpit?
What does God have against Shrimp and Lobster?
God hates bugs.
But he gaves us approximately a quintillion of them to deal with, because he hates us too.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-26 12:18:01
Quote: This is a naked judicial claim to legislative—indeed, super-legislative—power; a claim fundamentally at odds with our system of government. Except as limited by a constitutional prohibition agreed to by the People, the States are free to adopt whatever laws they like, even those that offend the esteemed Justices’ “reasoned judgment.” A system of government that makes the People subordinate to a committee of nine unelected lawyers does not deserve to be called a democracy.
Favorite part of Scalia's dissent
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-06-26 12:18:18
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »What does God have against Shrimp and Lobster? They cost too much.
Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-26 12:18:45
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »The church takes the bible pretty serious, especially leviticus.
***.
How many church leaders wear blended fibers while in the pulpit?
What does God have against Shrimp and Lobster? Come on now you know what part i am talking about. Love your neighbor?
By Ramyrez 2015-06-26 12:19:30
Come on now you know what part i am talking about.
Precisely. They don't believe in the Old Testament as a whole, or even any specific book as a whole.
They pick and choose so they can have a target for their scorn.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gay-marriage-and-other-major-rulings-at-the-supreme-court/2015/06/25/ef75a120-1b6d-11e5-bd7f-4611a60dd8e5_story.html?tid=sm_tw
Quote: The Supreme Court on Friday delivered a historic victory for gay rights, ruling 5 to 4 that the Constitution requires that same-sex couples be allowed to marry no matter where they live and that states may no longer reserve the right only for heterosexual couples.
The court’s action marks the culmination of an unprecedented upheaval in public opinion and the nation’s jurisprudence. Advocates called it the most pressing civil rights issue of modern times, while critics said the courts had sent the country into uncharted territory by changing the traditional definition of marriage.
This is a monumental day for LGBT rights.
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