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"One hit wonder" games you wish spawned a series
By CapnCrass 2015-04-24 21:19:14
Agreed. I absolutely detest the survival/horror genre (poor gameplay != "suspense" and/or "immersion"), but Eternal Darkness was both 1) playable and 2) genuinely disconcerting, in a campy and not-entirely-serious kind of way. The whole package is very solid, but the storytelling in particular was standout.
For anyone interested in trying it:
Don't go into it expecting it to be like Repetitive Evil/Silent Hill/whatever other S/H games have become popular in the last 20 years. It's a completely different beast. And keep your Sanity as low as you safely can at all times. Trust me.
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By Bahamut.Dannyl 2015-04-24 21:55:48
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2015-04-25 00:07:52
Actually part of a pretty large series in Japan (Metal Max/Metal Saga), with at least 6 core games and several remakes and spinoffs... but the PS2 Metal Saga is the only game in the series that got released outside of Japan.
Great game. While there was never a "Landstalker 2", the game does have a pretty rich legacy of an official sequel (Japan only) and several related games or "spiritual sequels" by the developer, Climax Entertainment. All of the below except Lady Stalker got US releases too.
- Lady Stalker (Super Famicom, Japan only): this is officially a sequel to Landstalker, but some pretty substantial gameplay changes and it's nowhere near as good as Landstalker.
- Dark Savior (Sega Saturn): a "spiritual sequel" and a phenomenally weird game that I kinda love. 3D isometric mine cart stages are a killer though. And there are some really bizarre 1-on-1 fighting game style battles.
- Time Stalkers (Dreamcast, aka "Climax Landers" in Japan): A strange and not very well received rogue-like that's a crossover of a lot of games that Climax worked on. Includes the main characters from Landstalker and Lady Stalker, as well as characters from Shining in the Darkness (Climax co-developed it) and several cameos from other games.
- Alundra (PSX): Probably the most similar game to Landstalker, and widely regarded as the best of the offshoots. Many of the team members who worked on Landstalker at Climax went on to found Matrix Software. This was their first game, and it's a Landstalker sequel in all but name (because they didn't have the rights to it). FF connection: fans probably now know Matrix best as the developer of the 3D remakes of Final Fantasy III and IV.
- Steal Princess (DS): Another Climax developed spiritual sequel. Even starts out in an isometric temple theft scene very reminiscent of the Landstalker intro. Similar graphics and feel, but it's a much more puzzle oriented game with short self-contained levels as opposed to an adventure in a large world.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-04-27 14:00:48
Quetzalcoatl.Spiriel said: »
Sequel to this does actually exist;
this is my problem with so many "sequels"...
this game is nothing like the first one, it's completely different. the only thing in common is the title. in a sequel I expect an expanded/continued version of the previous game, not an imposter game using the same name. this would be like getting FFXI-2 and it actually being Tetris with a moogle to cheer you on, instead of an actual continuation of the FFXI we all know.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-27 14:10:26
FFXI-2 and it actually being Tetris with a moogle to cheer you on, instead of an actual continuation of the FFXI we all know.
Or like if they took the characters you know and were interested in and instead of telling a compelling story or relating the gameplay to the original game, they instead let you place dress-up with them for several hours.
*ahem*
That aside, that was a big problem with a lot of the old SNES/Genesis > Playstation transitions. Making the leap from one generation to another (or 2D/3D isometric to true 3D) was awfully problematic for many devs, it seems.
Also, I thought of another!
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By Carbuncle.Conini 2015-04-27 14:54:04
Lost Kingdoms got a sequel (I played both of them, absolutely loved both of them) but they ended the LK franchise at LK2. ; _; To this day, it bothers the piss out of me because of how deep the story was; and the unanswered mysteries that hinted at future games. Badass battle system too- still waiting for LK3 . _.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-04-27 15:57:04
By fillerbunny9 2015-04-27 20:18:21
my contributions for games that immediately spring to mind:
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie 2015-04-28 16:51:51
How could we forget this masterpiece that if any game deserves to be made into a series it's this!
Which spawned the best character in gaming history.
The Milkman
"I am The Milkman, my milk is delicious."
"It's fortified with what the world wants. What the world deserves." "My employer has commissioned me to deliver this milk, to whitewash what went on here. I cannot rest until I have made my final delivery."
[hurls the milk bottle into the asylum, where it explodes] "The milkman has completed his route. You guys wanna split a cab?"
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By Phoenix.Phaeon 2015-04-28 17:30:13
Lost Kingdoms got a sequel (I played both of them, absolutely loved both of them) but they ended the LK franchise at LK2. ; _; To this day, it bothers the piss out of me because of how deep the story was; and the unanswered mysteries that hinted at future games. Badass battle system too- still waiting for LK3 . _. Seconded. Both are among my favorite games of all time.
Dark Cloud got the same treatment, 1 sequel then... nothing.
As for true one-hits... I don't know, is Muramasa old enough to count? I don't think SMRPG counts, even though none of the Mario RPG's since have been anything like it.
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By Siren.Dilandu 2015-04-28 17:49:08
Great game. While there was never a "Landstalker 2", the game does have a pretty rich legacy of an official sequel (Japan only) and several related games or "spiritual sequels" by the developer, Climax Entertainment. All of the below except Lady Stalker got US releases too.
- Lady Stalker (Super Famicom, Japan only): this is officially a sequel to Landstalker, but some pretty substantial gameplay changes and it's nowhere near as good as Landstalker.
- Dark Savior (Sega Saturn): a "spiritual sequel" and a phenomenally weird game that I kinda love. 3D isometric mine cart stages are a killer though. And there are some really bizarre 1-on-1 fighting game style battles.
- Time Stalkers (Dreamcast, aka "Climax Landers" in Japan): A strange and not very well received rogue-like that's a crossover of a lot of games that Climax worked on. Includes the main characters from Landstalker and Lady Stalker, as well as characters from Shining in the Darkness (Climax co-developed it) and several cameos from other games.
- Alundra (PSX): Probably the most similar game to Landstalker, and widely regarded as the best of the offshoots. Many of the team members who worked on Landstalker at Climax went on to found Matrix Software. This was their first game, and it's a Landstalker sequel in all but name (because they didn't have the rights to it). FF connection: fans probably now know Matrix best as the developer of the 3D remakes of Final Fantasy III and IV.
- Steal Princess (DS): Another Climax developed spiritual sequel. Even starts out in an isometric temple theft scene very reminiscent of the Landstalker intro. Similar graphics and feel, but it's a much more puzzle oriented game with short self-contained levels as opposed to an adventure in a large world.
Dark Savior was decent but I didn't like the 1 on 1 fighting. Depending on how fast you got to certain events changing the game events was interesting. Loved Alundra although I didn't like Alundra 2 as much.
my contributions for games that immediately spring to mind:
I still own this game. Very good game other than it was a bit too easy.
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By Bahamut.Malothar 2015-04-28 18:09:20
Many good games listed in the thread, not going to dispute any, just adding one.
I still remember the difficulty in choosing at the end of the game. Was solid 3D game play for it's day, and I really liked how the Scepter played a major role in not only fights, but exploration and the story as well.
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By Siren.Jedd 2015-04-28 18:20:22
Many good games listed in the thread, not going to dispute any, just adding one.
I still remember the difficulty in choosing at the end of the game. Was solid 3D game play for it's day, and I really liked how the Scepter played a major roll in not only fights, but exploration and the story as well.
Wow, I was literally seconds away from posting this. Had a whole post ready to go, haha. I can't remember too much of the story, but I remember the gameplay being pretty fun. As for the choice at the end:
It was pretty easy for me since I was like 13 when this came out, so I just picked the girl you saw in the shower scene early on. =P
Hm, isn't P4R a satire news site?
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By CapnCrass 2015-04-28 20:44:33
my contributions for games that immediately spring to mind:
Screw a sequel. I wish they would have actually manufactured physical copies of the original. I found one copy, once, and they were asking something exorbitant for it (I think $75, which at the time was approaching Neo Geo levels of ridiculousness). Couldn't convince my parents to spring for it, and I'll never convince myself to spring for what they're going for now. Not that my NES works anymore anyways...
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie 2015-04-29 16:02:09
Chrono Cross
JSRF
Metal Arms
Vexx
Gotcha Force
Tatsunoko vs Capcom
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2015-04-29 21:46:55
Really wanted a sequel to these games, the latter especially.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-04-29 22:01:32
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie 2015-04-30 06:49:10
I think we can all agree...
And because it was so good and hand drawn
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2015-04-30 06:58:57
Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie said: »How could we forget this masterpiece that if any game deserves to be made into a series it's this!
Which spawned the best character in gaming history.
The Milkman
"I am The Milkman, my milk is delicious."
"It's fortified with what the world wants. What the world deserves." "My employer has commissioned me to deliver this milk, to whitewash what went on here. I cannot rest until I have made my final delivery."
[hurls the milk bottle into the asylum, where it explodes] "The milkman has completed his route. You guys wanna split a cab?" I refer you to my post on the first page sir!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Fantasmo 2015-05-01 20:46:39
I miss my TurboGrafx 16. Was a cool little system.
I fail at posting pictures apparently.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Courage_in_Alpha_Zones
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By Siren.Dilandu 2015-05-01 20:50:51
Quetzalcoatl.Fantasmo said: »
I miss my TurboGrafx 16. Was a cool little system
I still own a Turbo Duo but don't have many games left. I have no idea where most of my games went. Ootake is a good free Turbografx-16 emulator.
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By Phoenix.Mogue 2015-05-01 21:03:02
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By Asura.Fondue 2015-05-01 21:29:59
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By Odin.Slore 2015-05-01 21:39:17
The original Metroid, I know there was a series but they all sucked after the original
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie 2015-05-02 07:22:54
Too soon? :D
Yooka Laylee
Also damn people are quick I thought of this idea when I first saw them but someone beat me to it ; ;
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By Sylph.Knala 2015-05-02 08:57:01
The original Metroid, I know there was a series but they all sucked after the original
... Exactly which metroid game did you play? metroid 2 was a nightmare to navigate due to monochromatic world ill give ya that but, seriously most of the other side scroller metriods are solid games (cept other m...)
and the metriod prime collectors edition with Wii controls makes for solid game play.
By fillerbunny9 2015-05-02 15:45:43
my contributions for games that immediately spring to mind:
Screw a sequel. I wish they would have actually manufactured physical copies of the original. I found one copy, once, and they were asking something exorbitant for it (I think $75, which at the time was approaching Neo Geo levels of ridiculousness). Couldn't convince my parents to spring for it, and I'll never convince myself to spring for what they're going for now. Not that my NES works anymore anyways...
I have a copy, sadly it was a rental so they cut one side off the box to put it into a case, but I paid something like $5-10 for it over a decade ago.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-05-02 15:49:21
The original Metroid, I know there was a series but they all sucked after the original
Super Metroid sucked? Ok.
Simple topic. Fire off a game or two that was just a single title that you have always wished would have become a franchise.
I'll start. The most obvious one that many people will likely repeat is Legend of Dragoon. However, one that I liked even more and will always hold out hope for is Skies of Arcadia.
For anyone that doesn't know, Skies is a one hit wonder RPG from the Dreamcast that sports a sky pirate theme and had some nice battle mechanics that involved changing your group's weapon element with Moonstones. It also featured epic sky pirate airship battles that were a lot of fun and a system of recruiting people to live in your town, plying their particular trade to help in the town's growth. This recruitment also served as a way to build up a big attack that the crewmen would join in on, attacking the enemy or healing and/or buffing your party.
Skies received an updated release for the GameCube, but no sequel ever happened, much to many fans' disappointment. One fan even wrote a letter to Sega about the game has achieved cult status. The fan actually received a replay directly from Sega's president with his excuse as to why they never made a sequel. Odd that Skies was big with fans long before the reasons in his reply even existed.
http://www.p4rgaming.com/sega-ceo-we-cant-make-a-skies-of-arcadia-sequel-because-wed-probably-let-you-down/
Quote: Thank you for taking the time to write to us. Unfortunately, there are currently no plans to release a sequel for Eternal Arcadia (Japanese name for Skies of Arcadia). To be honest, I’m not sure if we even deserve to be in the games business.
Our reputation has taken quite a dive in recent years. We’re still reeling from the repercussions of releasing the 15th Anniversary Sonic the Hedgehog game (commonly known as Sonic 2006). That is forever a mark on our formerly good name.
As a publisher, we can not seem to get our act in order. A release in the United States known as Aliens: Colonial Marines was completely botched by its developer Gearbox and was critically panned. We did absolutely nothing in response. We were just taken advantage of.
Even if we did release an Eternal Arcadia sequel, we can not ensure that the quality would be to your liking. The long-awaited sequel to NiGHTS was also met with negative reviews. How many more people can we afford to let down? I say, none.
There is a reason we are not making Valkyria of the Battlefield 4 (Japanese name for Valkyria Chronicles), we would just mess it up. I was honestly surprised that we could still make a new series that was actually good. Today, I still use this series as justification for keeping our games division alive which is why I can not afford a series decline like Sonic the Hedgehog.
We are running on nostalgia at this point. Sonic Generations used up all the nostalgia we could possibly wring out of the Sonic series and now we are creatively bankrupt. The Sonic & Sega Racing series uses a similar tactic by using characters like Vyse and Alex Kidd to foster nostalgic thoughts.
Please do not get your hopes up for an Eternal Arcadia sequel. Just play the Valkyria of the Battlefield series as Vyse appears in it as a playable character. It may not be the same, but at least you will be playing a good game.
Sincerely,
Satomi Hajime
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