I cant say theres many situations where thier almost a necessity, or make the situation substantially easier/faster, but I can list two. In future it's likely they'll be more cases due to things to come being similar to these two, aswell as PD/embrava nerf.
-Legion(Mul)
-Odin v2
(Bringing mulitiple relic RNG to these)
No Last Stand. What Do?
No last stand. what do?
I think that's something I've been saying/agreeing with this entire thread...
New strat. All DD /thf. Have cor tacts roll and they all run in and trick attack tank. Callin it now :O
Bahamut.Serj said: »
I think that's something I've been saying/agreeing with this entire thread...
You were arguing it cant be top teir DD, I produced two events where it excells at. Odinv2 especially, I'm always above meleeDD on parse here.
Oooh you guyz, how did this thread get so long?
I miss dark ixion days! I need to reactivate and finish my pewpew and then do some Odin V2!
I miss dark ixion days! I need to reactivate and finish my pewpew and then do some Odin V2!
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Asura.Yomisha said: »
Oooh you guyz, how did this thread get so long?
I miss dark ixion days! I need to reactivate and finish my pewpew and then do some Odin V2!
I miss dark ixion days! I need to reactivate and finish my pewpew and then do some Odin V2!
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Asura.Yomisha said: »
Oooh you guyz, how did this thread get so long?
I miss dark ixion days! I need to reactivate and finish my pewpew and then do some Odin V2!
I miss dark ixion days! I need to reactivate and finish my pewpew and then do some Odin V2!
Were you trying to rhyme that last part? lol That was good. Some pewpew and Odin V 2 lol
Haha, nope! Just happened that way. Kese!!! We might come back eventually, you'll have to take us to Odin V2 and Legion stuff though! :D
...I need to make Yomisha my main posting account, lol. :D Oops.
...I need to make Yomisha my main posting account, lol. :D Oops.
Asura.Dominate said: »
Haha, nope! Just happened that way. Kese!!! We might come back eventually, you'll have to take us to Odin V2 and Legion stuff though! :D
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Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: »
You were arguing it cant be top teir DD,
You're right, they can't be.
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I produced two events where it excells at. Odinv2 especially, I'm always above meleeDD on parse here.
And this is an example of where they're useful because of their utility. It doesn't mean they have higher dps. It means they can dps constantly because of their utility.
And those are 2 short instances out of the entire game.
*** utility! /skips away forgetting sarcasm font ;[
You speak as if theres other content.
And no, the reason RNG decimates melee DD at Odin v2 is not only the ability to remain unscaved, but also the ability to maintain large buffs whereas melee are frequently subject to full dispell
And no, the reason RNG decimates melee DD at Odin v2 is not only the ability to remain unscaved, but also the ability to maintain large buffs whereas melee are frequently subject to full dispell
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I don't know how to make what I said more clear. And I'm pretty sure there's other content, like other legion halls and neo limbus, lolVW, NNI, and the like.
Inb4 everyone should have all the gear already. Same could be said about Neo Odin and the like.
Rng excels at those events over other DDs because of their utility. Not because the job has higher dps. I think that's my 3rd reiteration that I've directed at you.
Inb4 everyone should have all the gear already. Same could be said about Neo Odin and the like.
Rng excels at those events over other DDs because of their utility. Not because the job has higher dps. I think that's my 3rd reiteration that I've directed at you.
Feel free to disprove everything I've said. You keep throwing out the same statement and disregarding what I've said.
I can instantly disprove "RNG isn't top teir DD" by the fact that it excells as a DD from the ability to constantly dps with little to no worry. Most of events from hereon out are going to considerably tough, especially with the nerf to what makes melee DD so powerful.
You're gonna see RNG alot in future, like the hnm scene.
You're gonna see RNG alot in future, like the hnm scene.
Thats alot of speculation, considering we dont even know the extent of the embrava/PD nerf, along with what events are you speaking of? Neo-Salvage? I doubt that event sees a drastic shakeup of jobs.
I'm actually refering to the expansion, not that RNG currently has no place in a few of content already released
Ah the expansion...which we know little to nothing about. I see.
By no means is it out the question to assume tough fights such llike Odin v2 will be released.
I think it's safe to assume new content will take the same direction as Odin II, especially after the latest comments from Matsui.
Still wouldn't roll that. Chaos/Tactician if I have a rng.
Siren.Froggis said: »
lets not forget the unknown value of courser's roll aka snapshot roll, which I'd guess an 11 is about 20% reduction maybe 25% with empy +2 feet. That's just a guess, no testing.
I'm not going to say what would be better between Courser's roll and Tactician's for RNG, because I don't know.
But I actually got to come as RNG to the Hal of Ki the other day, where I was already getting TP regain from embrava, and the corsair was rolling Chaos and Courser's for me. Now as soon as that XI Courser's roll hit me I felt like I was insta shooting with the snapshot gear and velocity shot.
I would really like to mess around more with the roll and find out what the snapshot value is. Shooting that quickly was a lot of fun, especially after the ranged delay adjustment.
But I actually got to come as RNG to the Hal of Ki the other day, where I was already getting TP regain from embrava, and the corsair was rolling Chaos and Courser's for me. Now as soon as that XI Courser's roll hit me I felt like I was insta shooting with the snapshot gear and velocity shot.
I would really like to mess around more with the roll and find out what the snapshot value is. Shooting that quickly was a lot of fun, especially after the ranged delay adjustment.
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
5.29*.62 = 3.28 sec
+~2.5 reholster delay
=5.28 sec between shots.
+~2.5 reholster delay
=5.28 sec between shots.
So you are comparing 1.44 to 3.28 which is 2.27x
Can fully ratk buffed RNG shot do more than 2.27x damage from haste buffed NIN? Without a doubt.
Why are we comparing things to lolnin.
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Why are we comparing things to lolnin.
You're an lolnin! >:O
I'm sorry, a little bit sensitive about Ninja. :X
It's fine to be sensitive, but let's be realistic.
Asura.Vrytreya said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
5.29*.62 = 3.28 sec
+~2.5 reholster delay
=5.28 sec between shots.
+~2.5 reholster delay
=5.28 sec between shots.
So you are comparing 1.44 to 3.28 which is 2.27x
Can fully ratk buffed RNG shot do more than 2.27x damage from haste buffed NIN? Without a doubt.
no, this is the time it takes to the animation of you putting away your bow/gun to take place. what SE removed was the delay to allow you to shoot again once your gun was put away. here is the old delay notes from oldwiki
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Ranged attack delay is divided into 3 phases :
1. Pulling out ranged weapon, aiming, and shooting : this time span is calculated by : Weapon Delay / 110. A successful Rapid Shot activation reduces the aiming time (the time between pulling back the string and actual firing of the shot) to 0.
2. After shooting → putting back ranged weapon : This delay usually takes 1.7 second to 1.8 second. However, occasionally, it can take fluctuate from 1.6 second to 1.9 second
3. "Free" phase : at this time span, melee timer is un-paused. The minimum time this delay can have is 1.1 second
1. Pulling out ranged weapon, aiming, and shooting : this time span is calculated by : Weapon Delay / 110. A successful Rapid Shot activation reduces the aiming time (the time between pulling back the string and actual firing of the shot) to 0.
2. After shooting → putting back ranged weapon : This delay usually takes 1.7 second to 1.8 second. However, occasionally, it can take fluctuate from 1.6 second to 1.9 second
3. "Free" phase : at this time span, melee timer is un-paused. The minimum time this delay can have is 1.1 second
the third phase is what SE removed
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