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By Siren.Akson 2016-11-01 09:07:52
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Ramyrez said: »
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Einstein speaks w/ insults. Repeatedly. Claiming to have posted quotes of links that I might examine further while not ever really doing such. Genius.

I said I gave you facts. I never provided links. It's not my job to organize the internet for you. Learn to work a search engine. It will serve you well in practically any field.

Amazon.com has millions of books for sale. Some of them even about Tesla.
You do nothing but speak from your ***. I ask for quotes so I can pinpoint your information forming a mockery of your perspective. Keep talking out your ***.
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By Kodaijin 2016-11-01 09:08:31
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Here is the thing Akson, there are actually a bunch of pretty cool guys and gals on this board who are mostly willing to help walk people through difficult subjects. A few people started to actually give good starting points of research for you regarding how things work. None of us claim to be experts in the field but we were trying to point you in the right direction. You then took that and went off the rails. You quote stuff that shouldnt be quoted because it has no relevance or substance.... You say we are blindly following some sort of conspiracy theory and somehow worked God into the conversation (well your side of the conversation) and then you yourself blindly post, quote, and repeat stuff that has absolutely no evidence, no proven mathematical formula or even a basic understanding of the subject matter being discussed.

If you want answers you need to try a different approach.
For example: The moon rotates 1 time every 27 days. Because of this, from earth, it appears that the moon doesnt rotate since we are rotating as well. Gravity has not locked the moon to face the same way as you said. You are incorrectly arguing against something thats incorrect.

You posted on page 16 ( I think it was a quote but you didnt have the persons name in the quote so I wonder if you just typed into a box what you thought the person was trying to say) that the planets were flying through space before they were caught by the Suns gravity and then scoffed at such a ridiculous idea. When duh, it is a ridiculous idea. The planets were formed from the same accretion disk as the sun. The sun was formed, and the planets were formed from the left overs. We are able to actually observe this type of activity occurring. its not just a theory. Its theory based on observation and proven tests.

You keep referencing holes in space. I assume youre talking about black holes which, yes are inappropriately named. We have actually observed the effects black holes have on their surroundings and have thus proven their existence. do we know absolutely everything about them? Not even close. But we know they exist because we can see that Stars which are significantly larger than our sun are being whipped around like grains of sand by something so extremely super massive and emits no light. It fits the definition of black holes perfectly.

Lastly, you keep mentioning Planet X/9 that you read about in some click bait article. Is it possible that there are more planets in our solar system. of course there is. Do you know how hard it is to even see Pluto using a telescope? Its basically a little flicker of a pixel on a computer screen to 99% of all the telescopes we have. To try and find a specific object that is orders of magnitude further from Earth than Pluto is extremely difficult. It may or may not exist and you should not believe everything you read on an internet click bait article.

1 more thing... magnetism isnt the same as gravity. Proof: get a magnet and put it in the palm of your hand. Now turn your hand upside down. What happened? The magnet fell to the ground. Why? because you are not made of metal nor are you Max Eisenhardt/Erik Lehnsherr. You are held to the Earth, along with everything else, by gravity. Though it would be kind of fun if the earth was a huge magnet and we were able to to go the south pole and be shot out into space and then float over to the north pole and be sucked back in. remember those childhood experiments? 1 side of the magnet attracts and the other side repels? Yeah, good thing Earth isnt like that.

Anyway, keep denying basic scientific knowledge and understanding. Its working so well for you.
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I have a Question though....
If Gravity itself is what keeps our Universe in form.

Why does the Milky Way appear 2D and not 3D.

Wouldnt the idea of Gravity pulling inward from all 3D directions make such visual images impossible if such were the case?

Everything just happens to be 2D like our Solar System. Nothing orbits criss cross.
Gravity should allow such to occur yet it does not?
Enlighten me.

Because youre looking at a picture on computer screen. Come on man.
Everything does not orbit on a flat plane. They cross all over.
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By Kodaijin 2016-11-01 09:10:49
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In fact, in a few billion years, our galaxy is going to collide with another galaxy and from that collision, a whole new galaxy will be formed. We know this because we can actually see it coming. Not a theory.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-11-01 09:10:58
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That's a computer screen image of what the satelites are showing. The image and idea of Gravity producing such an effect is flawed by the lack of criss crossing orbits that Do Not Exist
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-11-01 09:11:12
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This has gotten childish, am I going to have to topic ban you from your own thread just because of your snarky attitude?
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By Ramyrez 2016-11-01 09:12:39
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Siren.Akson said: »
Enlighten me.

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By Siren.Akson 2016-11-01 09:13:08
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Anna Ruthven said: »
This has gotten childish, am I going to have to topic ban you from your own thread just because of your snarky attitude?
I want to debate and be proved wrong or at least come to a better understanding. There is only so much verbal abuse I can take before I counter attack. Im not trying to fight w/ anyone.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-11-01 09:15:08
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Just tone down the "you're an ***" and such. Usually, if the OP needs a topic ban, I'd just close the thread but I must admit, the thread is somewhat interesting when it's not on the verge of a flame war.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-11-01 09:17:09
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In fact, in a few billion years, our galaxy is going to collide with another galaxy and from that collision, a whole new galaxy will be formed. We know this because we can actually see it coming. Not a theory.
See man I CAN believe in such ideas. Im not trying to dismiss everything we know as fraudulent.
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By Jetackuu 2016-11-01 09:18:40
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In fact, in a few billion years, our galaxy is going to collide with another galaxy and from that collision, a whole new galaxy will be formed. We know this because we can actually see it coming. Not a theory.
See man I CAN believe in such ideas. Im not trying to dismiss everything we know as fraudulent.

It's not a matter of belief. Belief has no bearing on reality, either you accept it or you don't.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-11-01 09:23:20
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That's a computer screen image of what the satelites are showing. The image and idea of Gravity producing such an effect is flawed by the lack of criss crossing orbits that Do Not Exist
Such should indeed exist if the Gravity theory is correct. I could be wrong but I have yet to see any of such existence which is telling me that the whole Gravity theory is incorrect and that there is some other force controlling orbits. I understand Josi perfectly explained to me how we get our satellites to orbit Earth yet that does not necessarily mean that is how nature itself is designed.

Ive said this countless times but if Im wrong. Im wrong. I have zero issues to accepting being such.
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Everything does not orbit on a flat plane. They cross all over.
Let's pretend Earth is orbitting the Sun on an East to West circle around the Sun. Please show me something orbitting simultaneously against the East to West flow of Planets instead travelling North to South around a star. All at the same time in one Solar System.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-11-01 09:49:47
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the thread is somewhat interesting when it's not on the verge of a flame war.
*Lights a match*
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By Siren.Akson 2016-11-01 09:57:10
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If planets do not orbit stars criss crossing one another. Then personally I cannot and will not ever accept gravity as the answer to how everything orbits. I cant even accept Mass = Gravity in outer space just due to the notion such in itself is based on nothing but theories.

We've been studying and finding countless stars and new planets. Capable of seeing million if not billions of light years beyond Earth.
How the hell could ever miss Planet-X/9 if it ever really existed. Right next door to us.

Im not trying to bend nor twist anyone's mind. Im just saying when I put such information into my own head.
My mind is telling me syntax error does not compute.
 
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By Kodaijin 2016-11-01 10:02:32
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When a solar system is formed, proto-planets and rocky objects are going all many different directions. As they collide, they either annihilate each other or they fuse and become one bigger object. These bigger objects then collide and form bigger objects. Soon the smaller objects that were going all over the place are all gone because they fused with the larger objects or they were destroyed. Eventually, the biggest objects are going in the same direction. If they arent, they will collide with each other or the sun.

The planets are mostly all on the same plane because they were all formed from the same Accretion Disk. And an Accretion disk is the same shape as a CD/DVD.

Not all the planets and dwarf planets orbit on exactly the same plane. Some are slightly off. Hell, Our solar system is a little over 60 degrees when compared to the galaxy's plane.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-11-01 10:04:02
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Siren.Akson said: »
That's a computer screen image of what the satelites are showing. The image and idea of Gravity producing such an effect is flawed by the lack of criss crossing orbits that Do Not Exist

We don't even know exactly what the Milky Way looks like. What we have are guesses based on limited observation, and every "image" you see is just an artist's interpretation.
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By Kodaijin 2016-11-01 10:05:22
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How could we ever miss a planet in our own solar system?

Can you see pluto? This is taken from one of our telescopes:


This is taken from hubble of a tiny sliver of our universe. each speck of light is a galaxy full of 100s of billions of stars.



If you go to Nasa's hubble website, you can see actual pictures of galaxies. So yes, we know what they look like. And we know what ours looks like because we can see it on a clear night with no light pollution. And we can track the stars in our galaxy over time and see how and where they move. thus making a map of our galaxy.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-11-01 10:11:24
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If anyone thinks that we can accurately map the Milky Way right now, here's a link to a recent article on Space.com:

Our Galactic Arm May Have a Longer Reach Than We Thought

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Mapping from within

With their gently unfurling arms and ongoing star formation, spiral galaxies are some of the most beautiful star collections in the universe. But it is far easier to calculate the characteristics of distant galaxies than it is to understand the features of our own Milky Way.

"Determining the structure of the Milky Way has been a long-standing problem for astronomers because we are inside of it," Xu said. "While astronomers agree that our galaxy has a spiral structure, there are disagreements on how many arms it has and on their specific location."

Mark Reid, a researcher at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts who was not involved in the study, compares the Milky Way to a dinner plate with an interesting design on its face. While the pattern is easy to spot from above, it can be difficult to interpret when the plate is edge-on.

"All of the structures are projected on top of each other, and without accurate distances to these structures, it is impossible to infer the design," Reid told Space.com by email.

To measure how far parts of the arm sit from the sun, scientists search for telltale signals in star-forming regions. As gas enters galactic arms, gravitational forces squeeze the gas to produce newborn stars. In other galaxies, blobs of bluish light that are produced by the birth of stars trace out spiral arms.

In the Milky Way, star-forming regions are more challenging to map. As part of the new research, the scientists identified bright spots of radio emission known as masers, whose shift in light researchers can measure to identify their movement and distance from Earth. Masers can be made up of clouds of gas that contain trace amounts of molecules such as water and methyl alcohol.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-11-01 10:15:47
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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That's a computer screen image of what the satelites are showing. The image and idea of Gravity producing such an effect is flawed by the lack of criss crossing orbits that Do Not Exist

We don't even know exactly what the Milky Way looks like. What we have are guesses based on limited observation, and every "image" you see is just an artist's interpretation.
Are we certain satellites do not show such. I was under the impretion that something capable of seeing infinitly beyond our own galaxy was capable of seeing such.
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When a solar system is formed, proto-planets and rocky objects are going all many different directions. As they collide, they either annihilate each other or they fuse and become one bigger object. These bigger objects then collide and form bigger objects. Soon the smaller objects that were going all over the place are all gone because they fused with the larger objects or they were destroyed. Eventually, the biggest objects are going in the same direction. If they arent, they will collide with each other or the sun.
Theories right?
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The planets are mostly all on the same plane because they were all formed from the same Accretion Disk. And an Accretion disk is the same shape as a CD/DVD.
Not even sure if theory or not cuz supposedly scientists believe they are witnessing such happening atm. Idk
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Not all the planets and dwarf planets orbit on exactly the same plane. Some are slightly off. Hell, Our solar system is a little over 60 degrees when compared to the galaxy's plane.
Yeah I know which is why I tried dismissing Pluto's orbit cuz it is still more aligned w/ the rest of the planets than it is not.

Gravity holding everything together suggests all is possible. East to West. North to South.
Even West to East as well as South to North. Simultaneously.

Idk why we must create theories based around Gravity. Trying to explain everything.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-11-01 10:19:19
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Yet we missed the 800lb gorilla in the room standing next to us?
 
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Idk why we must create theories based around Gravity.

Not really how it works.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-11-01 10:24:13
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Idk why we must create theories based around Gravity. Trying to explain everything.
the more you learn about physics and study, the more you'll understand. Just be patient and give it time and diligence.
Yeah.. you're right. Scientists must sort everything out. Not myself. Heh.. gravity theories & explanations controlling all we know then. Until otherwise found to be incorrect. So it is.
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Idk why we must create theories based around Gravity.

Not really how it works.
That's exactly what I came across reading. I guess everything is Fact then. Case closed.
 
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-11-01 10:35:39
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It looks to me like a lot of people vastly overstate how good astronomical science is. Yes, we can absolutely see galaxies up to the current record of 13.4 billion miles away, but we have a hard time seeing planets/plutoids/planetoids beyond the Kepler belt. Why? Because they're not observed the same way. There's no point in comparing apples to oranges. Galaxies are enormous and emit light and radiation. Planets/plutoids/planetoids are often just glorified rocks composed of various materials that are often discovered by accident because someone happened to notice gravitational disturbances on other objects.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-11-01 10:37:54
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Don't be so hard on yourself. Anyone can use telescopes and research and slowly learn more, even you.
Is that not the crux of the problem though. To know for certain one cannot remain on Earth. I mean we sent some ppl to the Moon. I would feel alot more confident in what I read after we send someone to Mars studying. If not a new Earth.
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It looks to me like a lot of people vastly overstate how good astronomical science is. Yes, we can absolutely see galaxies up to the current record of 13.4 billion miles away, but we have a hard time seeing planets/plutoids/planetoids beyond the Kepler belt. Why? Because they're not observed the same way. There's no point in comparing apples to oranges. Galaxies are enormous and emit light and radiation. Planets/plutoids/planetoids are often just glorified rocks composed of various materials that are often discovered by accident because someone happened to notice gravitational disturbances on other objects.
Even that belt of asteroids travels in line w/ our planets >< nothing criss crossing.... gah
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-11-01 10:47:23
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Even that belt of asteroids travels in line w/ our planets >< nothing criss crossing.... gah

I'm not sure what you're going on about here. Kodajin gave a good example of how gravity, orbits, and collisions help to create a system where everything orbits the same direction. If you're looking for supplemental information to describe how gravity alone doesn't account for what's happening in the universe, I would recommend researching dark matter and dark energy.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-11-01 10:52:17
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Even that belt of asteroids travels in line w/ our planets >< nothing criss crossing.... gah

I'm not sure what you're going on about here. Kodajin gave a good example of how gravity, orbits, and collisions help to create a system where everything orbits the same direction.
Im not even arguing. I just know such has never been witnessed.
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If you're looking for supplemental information to describe how gravity alone doesn't account for what's happening in the universe, I would recommend researching dark matter and dark energy.
No thanks man. I alrdy have way too many hypothetical theories to digest and read about alrdy as is. I'll just wait til the real discoveries are made to even bother fantasizing over such. When they find such Dark Matter & Energy. Then it exists. Will they find a "God" or "Dark Matter/Energy" 1st I guess is the bigger question.
 
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