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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-20 12:30:31
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
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My life is demonstrably better than it was eight years ago.
Good for you.

How about the other 318.9 million people living in the US? Can they say the same thing?

How many can? What percentage?

What about you? Is your life better now?

Such an interesting challenge you have put down. How should Rooks go about answering it?

Maybe he could ramp up new membership for the site and get every man women and child in the US an account then have them take a poll. Seems like a realistic endeavor.
My life is the same as it was in 2008. But let's use individual examples to determine national events...
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By Drama Torama 2016-05-20 12:32:27
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Where is the liberal parade? Isn't this where they jump on someone successful and tell them they are just lucky, privileged, and didn't build that?

I'm pretty much first in line to declare myself lucky. My success is a combination of circumstances + hard work. Neither one alone would have been sufficient, from where I started.

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Good for you.

I know!

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
How about the other 318.9 million people living in the US? Can they say the same thing?

How many can? What percentage?

Eight years is a long time. There's a sizable contingent of people whose standing will have been both up and down. But we can use demographics to narrow down some vectors of people who are probably sitting prettier than they were.

People who probably have it better:

- Anyone who shorted Blockbuster stock
- Anyone whose healthcare is directly attributable to the ACA
- Anyone falling into the LGBTQ segment of the population
- Almost anyone in a technical field
- Donald Trump

Other than the ACA, most of that has nothing to do with Obama, because surprise surprise, the President's power is mostly focused outward - the military, etc. Congress is who really pulls the strings of day to day life.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-05-20 12:32:37
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You should probably read your wiki article since it doesn't disprove their point or yours.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-05-20 12:35:12
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
But let's use individual examples to determine national events...

Let's say hyperbolic things because they're totally constructive and not patronizing.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-05-20 12:37:17
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We know it doesn't work right and if you vote for us will just kick it down the line for another 8 years while making it worse!

Yes but again I say, when the change is demonstrably worse, changing for the sake of change is more foolish still.
Then why did people vote for Obama?

It was obvious that his brand of change is demonstrably worse. And yet, he was voted into office.

You can't use that excuse on Trump. He is an unknown factor because he hasn't produced any feasible plans for running the government, yet.

People voted for Obama because his ideas were no where near being "demonstrably worse." Get out of Iraq, end the tax cuts, don't vote for the guy that wants to keep us in war, it wasn't a hard concept.

How'd that work out? President Obama is the longest wartime President now in US history. And he is slowly getting us back into Iraq because he was a complete fool pulling all the Troops out when and how he did. Obama is the father of ISIS. The man woke up one day and decided to overthrow the government of Libya. He has been fighting a Civil War in Syria for three years. Hundreds of thousands of people are now dead because of Barack Obama.

Are the wealthy paying their fair share yet?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-05-20 12:37:58
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Obama is the father of ISIS
Educate yourself or stay silent.
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By Ramyrez 2016-05-20 12:41:31
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Obama is the father of ISIS.

Geb was Isis' father. Duh.
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By Grumpy Cat 2016-05-20 12:43:15
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Hey since ya know, some of you guys are -probably- nerds, check this out!

https://twitter.com/DungeonsDonald
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-20 12:45:12
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Drama Torama said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Where is the liberal parade? Isn't this where they jump on someone successful and tell them they are just lucky, privileged, and didn't build that?

I'm pretty much first in line to declare myself lucky. My success is a combination of circumstances + hard work. Neither one alone would have been sufficient, from where I started.

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Good for you.

I know!

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
How about the other 318.9 million people living in the US? Can they say the same thing?

How many can? What percentage?

Eight years is a long time. There's a sizable contingent of people whose standing will have been both up and down. But we can use demographics to narrow down some vectors of people who are probably sitting prettier than they were.

People who probably have it better:

- Anyone who shorted Blockbuster stock
- Anyone whose healthcare is directly attributable to the ACA
- Anyone falling into the LGBTQ segment of the population
- Almost anyone in a technical field
- Donald Trump

Other than the ACA, most of that has nothing to do with Obama, because surprise surprise, the President's power is mostly focused outward - the military, etc. Congress is who really pulls the strings of day to day life.
The argument was that things were stated to be worse off prior to Obama's election, using what they said (worse off economy, high unemployment, more racism, etc.) as evidence.

Certain people (those who like to distort arguments or create arguments on their own) believe that an individual's situation is the same as a national standing.

Besides, I don't think anyone who's forced into buying a product they didn't want is in a better standing than before. Especially those people who aren't fully subsidized by the federal government.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-20 12:45:38
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
You should probably read your wiki article since it doesn't disprove their point or yours.
You should read it for yourself. Maybe then, you might know what you are talking about.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-20 12:46:46
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Ramyrez said: »
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Obama is the father of ISIS.

Geb was Isis' father. Duh.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-05-20 12:56:34
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
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Obama is the father of ISIS
Educate yourself or stay silent.

My post was all fact. Your post was a useless insult. Don't let the facts get you angry. Don't live in denial. Accept the mistakes you made by believing in Barack Obama and correct course. It feels good. It's liberating.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-05-20 12:58:34
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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No it hasn't.



Remember, Obama was president in 2009. I know you are going to ignore that fact, like usual.
That figure directly counters your argument.
If you pretend that FY2009 was Bush's signed budget.

I just proved to Vic that it wasn't. You want me to retype it in crayon so you can understand?
All you did was show that you don't know how fiscal years work. TARP and the recovery act were already signed into law by the time Obama signed off on the budget. You don't get to rewrite history, sorry.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-05-20 12:58:54
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
My post was all fact. Your post was a useless insult
Both of these things are wrong. If you don't know why and how IS came to be you need to educate yourself instead of posting random things here hoping they'll stick.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-05-20 13:00:35
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
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My post was all fact. Your post was a useless insult
Both of these things are wrong. If you don't know why and how IS came to be you need to educate yourself instead of posting random things here hoping they'll stick.

Thanks for saying nothing. Again.

Wanna go for three useless posts in a row? Go!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-05-20 13:01:18
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But let's use individual examples to determine national events...

Let's say hyperbolic things because they're totally constructive and not patronizing.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-05-20 13:06:13
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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You should probably read your wiki article since it doesn't disprove their point or yours.
You should read it for yourself. Maybe then, you might know what you are talking about.

I did and I do. You might want to bone up on understanding how federal budget proposals and finalizations work before you attack someone else's.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-20 13:08:44
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
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No it hasn't.



Remember, Obama was president in 2009. I know you are going to ignore that fact, like usual.
That figure directly counters your argument.
If you pretend that FY2009 was Bush's signed budget.

I just proved to Vic that it wasn't. You want me to retype it in crayon so you can understand?
All you did was show that you don't know how fiscal years work. TARP and the recovery act were already signed into law by the time Obama signed off on the budget. You don't get to rewrite history, sorry.
Neither do you.

Good going trying to pass ARRA to Bush though.

But I'm not the one who's trying to pass off FY2009 as Bush's budget, even though Obama signed for it. That's you and Vic who's trying to ignore history.

Or are you going to say that PPACA is Bush's responsibility also? Because that's exactly what you are doing here on FY2009 budget.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-05-20 13:10:05
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
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You should probably read your wiki article since it doesn't disprove their point or yours.
You should read it for yourself. Maybe then, you might know what you are talking about.

I did and I do. You might want to bone up on understanding how federal budget proposals and finalizations work before you attack someone else's.
I do know how they work.

I also know who's responsible for them.

Why are you trying to pass off what Obama signed into law as something Bush did? Is it so you can deflect Obama from what he actually did more?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-05-20 13:14:01
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Pull out the troops.... Pull out the troops.... Bring our soldiers home! You're a *** idiot for pulling the troops out! Make up your minds people... Seriously...
 
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-05-20 13:26:37
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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You should probably read your wiki article since it doesn't disprove their point or yours.
You should read it for yourself. Maybe then, you might know what you are talking about.

I did and I do. You might want to bone up on understanding how federal budget proposals and finalizations work before you attack someone else's.
I do know how they work.

I also know who's responsible for them.

Why are you trying to pass off what Obama signed into law as something Bush did? Is it so you can deflect Obama from what he actually did more?
You're trying to argue the deficit wasn't greatly reduced during Obama's term by wrongly associating FY2009 with his presidency. The incoming president has little control over the final budget of the previous guy.
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