While it's hard to have any sympathy for people trying to sleep around on their wives, the fact remains that the hackers broke the law and have wrecked millions of peoples' lives in real ways.
- Credit card leaks hurt more than just the person on the account; that can cause fraud and credit problems for whole families.
- People are killing themselves over this. Should sleeping around be a capital offense? Should families lose loved ones because they were in an unhappy marriage?
- Some people are certainly going to lose their jobs over this (namely, idiots who used company email addresses). Should you lose your job because you're unhappy at home? Should your family struggle financially because of it?
It does not matter what the hackers' intent was. Their actions have manifestly and materially harmed millions of people who broke no law. They have to be caught, and prosecuted, no matter how much one might even agree with their position.
The ends do not justify the means.
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fonewear said: »
The conspiracy nut in me thinks this was a PR stunt to get people to talk about their website. An "inside job" done by the site for all the free press.
almost 40 million users of a paid service? I doubt they'd fake a breach of privacy for publicity when it's one of the primary parts of the service they provide.
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fonewear said: »
The conspiracy nut in me thinks this was a PR stunt to get people to talk about their website. An "inside job" done by the site for all the free press.
That's insane. The whole point of that kind of site is discretion; if you can't trust them, they are worse than useless, they are an actual liability.
They're sunk, either way.
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Odin.Jassik said: »
fonewear said: »
The conspiracy nut in me thinks this was a PR stunt to get people to talk about their website. An "inside job" done by the site for all the free press.
almost 40 million users of a paid service? I doubt they'd fake a breach of privacy for publicity when it's one of the primary parts of the service they provide.
I doubt it too but I like to think like a conspiracy nut !
Lakshmi.Rooks said: »
While it's hard to have any sympathy for people trying to sleep around on their wives, the fact remains that the hackers broke the law and have wrecked millions of peoples' lives in real ways.
- Credit card leaks hurt more than just the person on the account; that can cause fraud and credit problems for whole families.
- People are killing themselves over this. Should sleeping around be a capital offense? Should families lose loved ones because they were in an unhappy marriage?
- Some people are certainly going to lose their jobs over this (namely, idiots who used company email addresses). Should you lose your job because you're unhappy at home? Should your family struggle financially because of it?
It does not matter what the hackers' intent was. Their actions have manifestly and materially harmed millions of people who broke no law. They have to be caught, and prosecuted, no matter how much one might even agree with their position.
The ends do not justify the means.
- Credit card leaks hurt more than just the person on the account; that can cause fraud and credit problems for whole families.
- People are killing themselves over this. Should sleeping around be a capital offense? Should families lose loved ones because they were in an unhappy marriage?
- Some people are certainly going to lose their jobs over this (namely, idiots who used company email addresses). Should you lose your job because you're unhappy at home? Should your family struggle financially because of it?
It does not matter what the hackers' intent was. Their actions have manifestly and materially harmed millions of people who broke no law. They have to be caught, and prosecuted, no matter how much one might even agree with their position.
The ends do not justify the means.
Upholding the law is not a service to victims.
Upholding the law is to maintain the integrity of law.
And for those that commited suicide over this, they chose that, they chose to make their widowed family's into double victim's.
Those that break justified laws are not victims. And yes, infidelity is a crime in most of the US. and even where it is not a crime you still become a liar and a home wrecker by your own actions when you broke your wedding vows. these people can only blame them selfs.
Odin.Jassik said: »
I can't wrap my head around staying in a marriage but seeking outside affection. If you aren't content with your partner, it's time to leave. If you choose to shame yourself and your partner because you don't have the backbone to fix or end an unhealthy relationship, you get what you deserve when your dirty laundry is aired out in public.
From a personal belief standpoint, this.
All this.
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They will be back just call the site a different name like. Cheaters R Us !
Buy one affair get one free !
Buy one affair get one free !
Lakshmi.Rooks said: »
While it's hard to have any sympathy for people trying to sleep around on their wives, the fact remains that the hackers broke the law and have wrecked millions of peoples' lives in real ways.
- Credit card leaks hurt more than just the person on the account; that can cause fraud and credit problems for whole families.
- People are killing themselves over this. Should sleeping around be a capital offense? Should families lose loved ones because they were in an unhappy marriage?
- Some people are certainly going to lose their jobs over this (namely, idiots who used company email addresses). Should you lose your job because you're unhappy at home? Should your family struggle financially because of it?
It does not matter what the hackers' intent was. Their actions have manifestly and materially harmed millions of people who broke no law. They have to be caught, and prosecuted, no matter how much one might even agree with their position.
The ends do not justify the means.
- Credit card leaks hurt more than just the person on the account; that can cause fraud and credit problems for whole families.
- People are killing themselves over this. Should sleeping around be a capital offense? Should families lose loved ones because they were in an unhappy marriage?
- Some people are certainly going to lose their jobs over this (namely, idiots who used company email addresses). Should you lose your job because you're unhappy at home? Should your family struggle financially because of it?
It does not matter what the hackers' intent was. Their actions have manifestly and materially harmed millions of people who broke no law. They have to be caught, and prosecuted, no matter how much one might even agree with their position.
The ends do not justify the means.
People CHOSE to sign up for the service using a known email, some are CHOOSING to take their own lives. I feel bad for them for the privacy and possibly financial repercussions, but not for why they happened.
If you can't handle getting caught then why cheat ?
I think part of the fun of cheating is you aren't supposed to do it.
I think part of the fun of cheating is you aren't supposed to do it.
I think you two are saying the same thing. You don't necessarily feel bad for the (assumed/alleged) cheaters themselves, but they've got families who are now going to suffer doubly for this crime. Once for the family rifts it will cause, and again financially/professionally.
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All this could be avoided if you are a politician. Then it's expected !
fonewear said: »
If you can't handle getting caught then why cheat ?
I think part of the fun of cheating is you aren't supposed to do it.
I think part of the fun of cheating is you aren't supposed to do it.
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Everyone involved is wrong, you hack? You get in trouble. You cheat? You get caught and you get in trouble, different trouble but trouble nonetheless.
Not to get all evolutionary biology but it is part of our instinct to try to populate the world !
So you could say cheating is biological but we realized that it is no longer beneficial but at one time it could have been.
So you could say cheating is biological but we realized that it is no longer beneficial but at one time it could have been.
fonewear said: »
Not to get all evolutionary biology but it is part of our instinct to try to populate the world !
So you could say cheating is biological but we realized that it is no longer beneficial but at one time it could have been.
So you could say cheating is biological but we realized that it is no longer beneficial but at one time it could have been.
And from a gene pool standpoint its good to know who your siblings are...
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That is why people choose "open marriages" if you both agree to cheating it doesn't "feel" as bad !
It's not cheating if both are aware and agree. Cheating means doing it behind someone's back.
fonewear said: »
Not to get all evolutionary biology but it is part of our instinct to try to populate the world !
So you could say cheating is biological but we realized that it is no longer beneficial but at one time it could have been.
So you could say cheating is biological but we realized that it is no longer beneficial but at one time it could have been.
Yeah, except most people cheating aren't doing so to procreate, soooooo...
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Ramyrez said: »
I think you two are saying the same thing. You don't necessarily feel bad for the (assumed/alleged) cheaters themselves, but they've got families who are now going to suffer doubly for this crime. Once for the family rifts it will cause, and again financially/professionally.
More or less. The hackers didn't do this for social justice, they were stealing credit cards because people would be reluctant to speak out about it. I'm sure the "Robin Hood" complex played a role, but that's not why they did it.
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Odin.Jassik said: »
More or less. The hackers didn't do this for social justice, they were stealing credit cards because people would be reluctant to speak out about it. I'm sure the "Robin Hood" complex played a role, but that's not why they did it.
I dunno. With the things Anonymous has done in the past (the high school rape case in Ohio, for instance) I wouldn't put it past a group of "moralist" hackers to do something like this for the principle.
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Ramyrez said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
More or less. The hackers didn't do this for social justice, they were stealing credit cards because people would be reluctant to speak out about it. I'm sure the "Robin Hood" complex played a role, but that's not why they did it.
I dunno. With the things Anonymous has done in the past (the high school rape case in Ohio, for instance) I wouldn't put it past a group of "moralist" hackers to do something like this for the principle.
I'm drawing a distinction between their motivations and justifications. Stealing is stealing, whether from a church or the mafia.
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Bahamut.Badstreak said: »
Sure, marriage benefits politians, lawyers, economists, companies that produce consumer goods. It doesn't benefit the people in the marriage nearly as much. Of those two people, it benefits the one who earns less money (normally female) unreasonably more.
Because they promise each other to live with each other for the rest of their lives? Because they created a communal family, so to say? Or because you are in an unhappy relationship with your significant other at the moment, so you think that marriage isn't worth it?
Also, when I say "political, economical, or socialistic benefits," I'm talking about the two people who actually get married, not society as a whole.
Political meaning that one member is joining a higher classed family (doesn't happen often). Economical meaning that one (or in most cases, both) member(s) become financially and economically better (this happens quite often, although not the reason for the union). Socialistic meaning that they actually do what society demands them to do, which is that if they are willing to be together for an extended period of time, they should make it permanent (or as permanent as one can get at this day/age). Socialistic is usually enforced by family in this case.
Bahamut.Badstreak said: »
Are you married? Have you been married? Have you been divorced? IMO you're speaking out your *** without experience. It's not worth the risk, the multi billion dollars divorce industry and the equally profitable criminal justice system are waiting for every male with two pennies to rub together. Waiting with open arms.
I don't really see how being married qualifies anyone from knowing the benefits of marriage. The only thing that qualifies being married is how that specific marriage is. I cannot say your marriage is a success, but I can comment on the benefits of marriage as a whole. As long as you understand that I am speaking broadly and not specifically.
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
More or less. The hackers didn't do this for social justice, they were stealing credit cards because people would be reluctant to speak out about it. I'm sure the "Robin Hood" complex played a role, but that's not why they did it.
I dunno. With the things Anonymous has done in the past (the high school rape case in Ohio, for instance) I wouldn't put it past a group of "moralist" hackers to do something like this for the principle.
I'm drawing a distinction between their motivations and justifications. Stealing is stealing, whether from a church or the mafia.
I don't think it is so black and white.
Who would have a problem with someone stealing from a bunch of killers and terrorists?
On the inverse some Christian hackers mad about others choices in a sex life is hardly the same thing or justified.
Look at the Chechen scammers that were ripping off ISIS. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. Those differences might change my reaction, but the fact remains, theft is theft.
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Hey, I threw in actual relevant to topic stuff too.
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Fine, theft is theft, but that doesn't make all theft wrong.
Fair enough.
So Ashley Madison was basically just a married version of FFXI where a buncha dudes are cybering manthras?
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Who would have a problem with someone stealing from a bunch of killers and terrorists?
If a government who is harassed by terrorists catches the hackers who harasses the hackers (assuming that the government isn't employing said hackers), they will (most likely) get a light sentence.
If a government who supports said terrorists (or the terrorists themselves) catches the hackers, they will get a harsh sentence (or possibly death).
Either way, theft is theft, regardless on how you dress it up.
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