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July Update confirms Haste II; a great return?
Cerberus.Tidis
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2014-06-23 05:18:57
Valefor.Prothescar said: »34 skill really wouldn't be difficult to make up for, meva- might do that by itself. Anyway, I digress. 104, SCH gets bumped up to 404 under Dark Arts.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-06-23 05:19:27
Valefor.Prothescar said: »Alacrity hasn't got much to do with it since RDM will have a much easier time capping recast time without it, but the low dark magic skill still sucks. That said, on anything you actually stun, I doubt it'd be much of an issue these days. Tojil/Muyingwa/Dakuwaqa all die so fast that you should never come remotely close to stun wall anyway. I still would stand by Alacrity, Bee especially seems to have a higher TP frequency than Shark or Tojil. As for dark magic skill, just had a quick ponder and RDM will have a base of 300 skill before you factor in merits/gear, that's really just terrible and the only saving grace for RDM is that due to how much easier it is to cap recast they can load a lot more MAcc/Dark Skill gear but it's still a horribly low start point.
EDIT: Ninja EDIT, sorry got my values massively wrong.
RDM can stun just fine, but has more strict gear requirements then SCH. You really can't go subpar with gear, need a 119 club/staff and solid Magic Acc gear along. The good part is that RDM has access to a ton of gear with large quantities of Fast Cast and Haste, makes capping recast easy. Shark, Bee and Tojil all use a TP move every 11~13s, it's very predictable. What gets people on Shark isn't more TP moves, it's stun being eaten by blinks when aura is up. RDM can also cast one spell in-between stuns by virtue of it's insane fast cast and not needing to use a JA in between stuns.
Haste II looks interesting in that it gives a larger margin of error or possibly blocking Slowga. Have long since lost count on the number of times a BRD has let march's fall after their death pull.
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2014-06-23 05:41:48
Muyingwa certainly uses TP moves faster than Dakuwaqa/Tojil. While rare, they can be as quick as 6 seconds between each other, but 8 or 9 seconds isn't too uncommon.
[20:51:34]Muyingwa readies Stinger Volley.
[20:51:34]Llewelyn's Regen effect wears off.
[20:51:34](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:51:35]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:51:35]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:51:36]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:51:36]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:51:36]Tarree starts casting Erase on Ceric.
[20:51:37]Vasche readies Last Stand.
[20:51:38]Ceric uses Sekkanoki.
[20:51:38]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:51:39]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:51:40]Zaine uses Warcry.
[20:51:40]Zaine's attacks are enhanced.
[20:51:40]Vasche's attacks are enhanced.
[20:51:41]Ceric's attacks are enhanced.
[20:51:42]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:51:43]Muyingwa readies Mandibular Lashing.
[20:51:43]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:51:43]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:51:43](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:51:44]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:51:44]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:51:44]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:51:48]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:51:48]Tarree starts casting Haste on Llewelyn.
[20:51:49]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:51:49]Muyingwa readies Mandibular Lashing.
[20:51:50](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:51:50]Tarree casts Haste.
[20:51:50]Llewelyn gains the effect of Haste.
[20:51:50]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:51:50]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:51:51]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:51:51]Magic Burst! Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:51:52]Vasche readies Last Stand.
[20:51:54]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:51:55]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:51:56]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:51:56]Muyingwa starts casting Aero IV.
[20:51:57]Tarree starts casting Regen IV on Ceric.
[20:51:57]Tarree uses Accession.
[20:51:57]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:51:58]Tarree casts Regen IV.
[20:51:58]Ceric gains the effect of Regen.
[20:51:58]Zaine gains the effect of Regen.
[20:51:58]Vasche gains the effect of Regen.
[20:52:00]Ceric uses Yaegasumi.
[20:52:02]Tarree starts casting Haste on Zaine.
[20:52:02]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:52:04]Tarree casts Haste.
[20:52:04]Zaine gains the effect of Haste.
[20:52:05]Vasche readies Last Stand.
[20:52:05]Muyingwa readies Droning Whirlwind.
[20:52:06](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:52:06]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:52:07]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:52:07]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:52:08]Tarree starts casting Curaga III on Vasche.
[20:52:10]Tarree casts Curaga III.
[20:52:10]Vasche recovers 463 HP.
[20:52:10]Zaine recovers 670 HP.
[20:52:10]Ceric recovers 0 HP.
[20:52:10]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:52:11]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:52:12]Tarree starts casting Erase on Vasche.
[20:52:12]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:52:13]Llewelyn uses Tabula Rasa.
[20:52:15]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:52:16]Tarree starts casting Haste on Vasche.
[20:52:16]Tarree casts Haste.
[20:52:16]Vasche gains the effect of Haste.
[20:52:18]Vasche readies Last Stand.
[20:52:19]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:52:19]Zaine uses Mantra.
[20:52:19]Zaine receives the effect of Mantra.
[20:52:19]Llewelyn uses Manifestation.
[20:52:20]Muyingwa readies Incisive Apotheosis.
[20:52:20]Vasche receives the effect of Mantra.
[20:52:20]Ceric receives the effect of Mantra.
[20:52:20]Tarree starts casting Curaga IV on Ceric.
[20:52:20](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:52:21]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:52:21]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:52:21]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:52:22]Tarree casts Curaga IV.
[20:52:22]Ceric recovers 601 HP.
[20:52:22]Zaine recovers 797 HP.
[20:52:22]Vasche recovers 598 HP.
[20:52:24]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:52:25]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:52:26]Tarree starts casting Haste on Ceric.
[20:52:27]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:52:29]Vasche readies Last Stand.
[20:52:29]Tarree casts Haste.
[20:52:29]Ceric gains the effect of Haste.
[20:52:29]Llewelyn uses Manifestation.
[20:52:31]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:52:31]Muyingwa readies Stinger Volley.
[20:52:32]Tarree starts casting Dia II on Muyingwa.
[20:52:32](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:52:32]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:52:33]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:52:33]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:52:35]Ceric uses Meikyo Shisui.
[20:52:36]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:52:36]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:52:36]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:52:38]Tarree starts casting Curaga II on Ceric.
[20:52:39]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:52:39]Muyingwa starts casting Dispelga.
[20:52:39]Tarree casts Curaga II.
[20:52:39]Ceric recovers 328 HP.
[20:52:39]Zaine recovers 328 HP.
[20:52:39]Vasche recovers 284 HP.
[20:52:40]Vasche readies Last Stand.
[20:52:40](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:52:41]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:52:41]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:52:41]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:52:42]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:52:43]Tarree starts casting Addle on Muyingwa.
[20:52:44]Muyingwa's casting is interrupted.
[20:52:44]Tarree casts Addle.
[20:52:44]Muyingwa is addled.
[20:52:45]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:52:45]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:52:46]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:52:48]Muyingwa readies Droning Whirlwind.
[20:52:48]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:52:49]Tarree starts casting Paralyze on Muyingwa.
[20:52:49](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:52:49]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:52:50]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:52:50]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:52:51]Tarree casts Paralyze.
[20:52:51]Muyingwa is paralyzed.
[20:52:53]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:52:54]Tarree starts casting Slow on Muyingwa.
[20:52:54]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:52:55]Vasche readies Last Stand.
[20:52:55]Zaine uses Aggressor.
[20:52:55]Accuracy is enhanced but evasion is impaired.
[20:52:56]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:52:59]Tarree starts casting Silence on Muyingwa.
[20:53:02]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:53:03]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:53:03]Muyingwa readies Incisive Apotheosis.
[20:53:03](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:53:04]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:53:04]Llewelyn uses Manifestation.
[20:53:05]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:53:05]Magic Burst! Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:53:06]Tarree starts casting Silence on Muyingwa.
[20:53:08]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:53:12]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:53:12]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:53:13]Muyingwa readies Stinger Volley.
[20:53:13]Vasche readies Last Stand.
[20:53:13]Llewelyn's Manifestation effect wears off.
[20:53:13]Llewelyn uses Manifestation.
[20:53:13]Tarree starts casting Curaga V on Zaine.
[20:53:13](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:53:14]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:53:14]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:53:14]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:53:16]Tarree casts Curaga V.
[20:53:16]Zaine recovers 768 HP.
[20:53:16]Ceric recovers 180 HP.
[20:53:16]Vasche recovers 112 HP.
[20:53:16]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:53:17]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:53:19]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:53:20]Tarree starts casting Silence on Muyingwa.
[20:53:20]Muyingwa starts casting Slowga.
[20:53:21](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:53:21]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:53:21]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:53:22]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:53:22]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:53:23]Muyingwa's casting is interrupted.
[20:53:25]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:53:25]Tarree starts casting Erase on Ceric.
[20:53:27]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:53:28]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:53:28]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:53:30]Vasche readies Last Stand.
[20:53:30]Muyingwa readies Mandibular Lashing.
[20:53:31](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:53:31]Tarree starts casting Silence on Muyingwa.
[20:53:31]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:53:31]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:53:31]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:53:33]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:53:34]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:53:38]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:53:38]Tarree starts casting Silence on Muyingwa.
[20:53:38]Muyingwa readies Mandibular Lashing.
[20:53:39](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:53:39]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:53:40]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:53:40]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:53:40]Magic Burst! Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:53:42]Vasche readies Last Stand.
[20:53:43]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:53:43]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:53:43]Unable to use job ability.
[20:53:44]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:53:45]Tarree starts casting Silence on Muyingwa.
[20:53:46]Muyingwa readies Stinger Volley.
[20:53:46](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:53:47]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:53:47]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:53:48]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:53:48]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:53:50]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:53:51]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:53:53]Tarree starts casting Paralyze on Muyingwa.
[20:53:53]Muyingwa starts casting Graviga.
[20:53:54](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:53:55]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:53:55]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:53:55]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:53:55]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:53:55]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:53:56]Tarree casts Paralyze.
[20:53:56]Muyingwa is paralyzed.
[20:53:56]Muyingwa's casting is interrupted.
[20:53:56]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:53:58]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:53:58]Vasche readies Last Stand.
[20:53:58]Tarree starts casting Curaga IV on Ceric.
[20:54:01]Muyingwa readies Vespine Hurricane.
[20:54:01]Tarree casts Curaga IV.
[20:54:01]Ceric recovers 550 HP.
[20:54:01]Zaine recovers 1206 HP.
[20:54:01]Vasche recovers 516 HP.
[20:54:01](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:54:02]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:54:02]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:54:02]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:54:02]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:54:02]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:54:02]Eijiro uses Curing Waltz III.
[20:54:02]Ceric recovers 650 HP.
[20:54:03]Zaine uses Chakra.
[20:54:03]Zaine recovers 184 HP.
[20:54:03]Eijiro obtains a locus ring.
[20:54:03]Eijiro obtains an airlixir +1.
[20:54:03]Zaine obtains an airlixir.
[20:54:03]Stani obtains an airlixir +1.
[20:54:03]Stani obtains an airlixir.
[20:54:03]Zaine obtains an airlixir.
[20:54:03]Zaine obtains an airlixir.
[20:54:05]Tarree starts casting Erase on Ceric.
[20:54:05]Eijiro obtains a pluton case.
[20:54:05]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:54:07]Eijiro uses Reverse Flourish.
[20:54:07]Eijiro regains 75 TP.
[20:54:08]Tarree starts casting Poisona on Ceric.
[20:54:08]Tarree casts Poisona.
[20:54:08]Tarree successfully removes Ceric's poison.
[20:54:08]Ceric uses Meditate.
[20:54:09]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:54:09]Muyingwa readies Mandibular Lashing.
[20:54:10]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:54:10](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:54:10]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:54:10]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:54:11]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:54:11]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:54:11]Eijiro uses Meditate.
[20:54:12]Tarree starts casting Silence on Muyingwa.
[20:54:14]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
[20:54:15]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:54:16]Vasche readies Last Stand.
[20:54:18]Llewelyn uses Alacrity.
[20:54:18]Muyingwa readies Mandibular Lashing.
[20:54:19](Llewelyn) <{Stun}> Muyingwa. <call21>
[20:54:19]Tarree starts casting Slow on Muyingwa.
[20:54:19]Llewelyn starts casting Stun on Muyingwa.
[20:54:19]Llewelyn casts Stun.
[20:54:19]Muyingwa is stunned.
[20:54:20]Ceric readies Namas Arrow.
[20:54:22]Zaine readies Victory Smite.
[20:54:22]Eijiro uses Curing Waltz III.
[20:54:22]Zaine recovers 444 HP.
[20:54:22]Muyingwa is no longer stunned.
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[20:54:24]Tarree starts casting Cure V on Ceric.
[20:54:24]The oppressive energy passes.
Also, SCH can cast between stuns on Tojil/Dakuwaqa also. I usually throw in a Thunder III or Thunder IV on Dakuwaqa. Stun recast is 9 seconds after all; couldn't stun a move happening during that nuke even if you wanted to (not that that usually ever happens).
But anyway, if RDM can get a 9 or 10 second stun recast without an Apamajas II (119 weapon with high macc obviously), then I agree that RDM can do just fine stunning. We don't bring a COR usually to Delve 1 so the extra defense down from Dia III is welcome as well, and soon to be evasion down.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-06-23 06:04:59
Quote: But anyway, if RDM can get a 9 or 10 second stun recast without an Apamajas II (119 weapon with high macc obviously), then I agree that RDM can do just fine stunning. We don't bring a COR usually to Delve 1 so the extra defense down from Dia III is welcome as well, and soon to be evasion down.
I've seen that behavior too and I'm positive it's a glitch in their AI that can sometimes cause them to spam TP moves. We've seen Tojil do three Lahar's all ~6s apart from each other, then go back to his regular ~11s in between. It seems completely random but it's very noticeable when it does happen.
RDM can easily get a 9s recast on stun. 30% native FC along with gear like 119 AF head and 119 Relic body make hitting the 20% floor simple. Magic Accuracy is where your going to take a hit, 100 less skill then a SCH means you need a 119 staff/club (I use Venabulum with a Mephtis grip) along with some magic acc gear.
RDM isn't better then SCH, but it is sufficient to do the job and honestly that's all you need.
On a side note. Can you use separate precast and midcast sets for stun in gearswap? I remember that being difficult in spellcast due to how fast stun's cast become.
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By Phoenix.Demonjustin 2014-06-23 06:08:08
On a side note. Can you use separate precast and midcast sets for stun in gearswap? I remember that being difficult in spellcast due to how fast stun's cast become. Gearswap is able to swap your gear even on quickcast procs from what I've ever seen so I'd assume it's able to do the same for Stun.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-06-23 06:13:57
Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »On a side note. Can you use separate precast and midcast sets for stun in gearswap? I remember that being difficult in spellcast due to how fast stun's cast become. Gearswap is able to swap your gear even on quickcast procs from what I've ever seen so I'd assume it's able to do the same for Stun.
Thanks, then my gear sets got even better. Before I was using a precast that had some magic acc in it and was difficult to hit 256/1024 gear haste while retaining all my magic acc gear. If I can separate them on super fast casting spells then it becomes trivial to cap FC/Haste in precast and load up on stupid amounts of Magic Acc in midcast (my Hag hands have +27 magic acc augment).
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By Bismarck.Inference 2014-06-23 06:41:04
Fastcast/Haste's recast reduction is applied in the midcast, though.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-06-23 06:47:14
If I can separate them on super fast casting spells then it becomes trivial to cap FC/Haste in precast and load up on stupid amounts of Magic Acc in midcast (my Hag hands have +27 magic acc augment).
Fast Cast in Precast sets only lowers your casting speed. Haste in Precast sets does nothing.
To lower your recast, you need to have Fast Cast/Haste/Spell Reduction gear equipped in midcast/when spell goes off.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2014-06-23 06:48:10
Sooo Vali,
got anything else to say?
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-06-23 08:31:40
Bismarck.Inference said: »Fastcast/Haste's recast reduction is applied in the midcast, though.
Dammit I was hoping to avoid that problem. Oh well just means I have slightly less macc.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-06-23 08:40:11
Asura.Leonlionheart said: » For you that might be bringing PUP to Tojil and scraping by with the win in 44 minutes. For others it might be spamming Tojil in ~25 minutes with the most optimal setup.
There's no way you'd spend 44 min on Tojil with PUP though! From what I've seen most of the DD job can do sub 25 min run np, and that's before WS update.
We have done it with MNK, BLU and RUN as the DDs. Beat it in under 30m.
Seriously people are WAY overestimating the bar for victory. Just about any group of semi competent players can win. BRD WHM and a stunner are the only real requirements and only WHM because you need aoe cures for the MB. Would be interesting to see how powerful GEO haste is as the biggest reason for BRD is how broken double marches are.
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By Leviathan.Sagiaurex 2014-06-23 10:13:18
Weeeelp, I'm excited
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-06-23 10:26:14
Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: »Sooo Vali,
got anything else to say?
About? it's all novelty stuff, not that I really care. Haste II by itself was/still will be useless.
But the other stuff is kinda neat. I don't see rdm taking any spots though. Flurry is cool and all but I'd rather have a corsair. EVA- is nifty but I'd rather have a corsair.
RDM isn't going to take the party slot of a whm brd or cor. It'll get a nod in an alliance for delve, and that's it.
I have a hard enough time finding a whm/sch that will even haste me without asking every time, let alone expecting someone on rdm to keep flurry up on me.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-06-23 10:37:27
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »But the other stuff is kinda neat. I don't see rdm taking any spots though. Flurry is cool and all but I'd rather have a corsair. EVA- is nifty but I'd rather have a corsair.
RDM isn't going to take the party slot of a whm brd or cor. It'll get a nod in an alliance for delve, and that's it.
Rdm will at the very least take whm spot in rng setup bcnm/delve(unless for w/e reason flurry doesn't stack with coursers).
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-06-23 10:39:00
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »I have a hard enough time finding a whm/sch that will even haste me without asking every time, let alone expecting someone on rdm to keep flurry up on me.
And flurry might/probably lower tp per hit, like blitzers roll. And/or won't stack with Coursers.
I mean it's square we're talking about here, you don't actually think there will be all positives and no trade-offs/downsides.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2014-06-23 10:45:25
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »I have a hard enough time finding a whm/sch that will even haste me without asking every time, let alone expecting someone on rdm to keep flurry up on me.
And flurry might/probably lower tp per hit, like blitzers roll. And/or won't stack with Coursers.
I mean it's square we're talking about here, you don't actually think there will be all positives and no trade-offs/downsides. While I obviously don't know for sure, it definitely sounds like a snapshot effect.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-06-23 10:45:30
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »I have a hard enough time finding a whm/sch that will even haste me without asking every time, let alone expecting someone on rdm to keep flurry up on me.
And flurry might/probably lower tp per hit, like blitzers roll. And/or won't stack with Coursers.
I mean it's square we're talking about here, you don't actually think there will be all positives and no trade-offs/downsides. Flurry in Nyzul Isle never tampered with tp gain. If it does, it would be akin to lowering the delay on your weapons, instead of decreasing delay between attacks.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-06-23 10:46:30
There won't be downside; there is no case of roll not stacking with other buff/debuff as far as I know, all the past buff update have been awesome/mostly welcomed I don't expect that to change.
And "people suck and can't keep me hasted" isn't a good argument to why you wouldn't want a rdm over a whm on rng setup.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-06-23 10:47:58
EDIT;
If rdm gets a slot back, hurray for rdm, not gonna hold my breath waiting for the obvious let down.
I thought I cared, I was wrong. I don't. <I'm not up for it.>
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-06-23 18:56:59
There won't be downside; there is no case of roll not stacking with other buff/debuff as far as I know, all the past buff update have been awesome/mostly welcomed I don't expect that to change.
And "people suck and can't keep me hasted" isn't a good argument to why you wouldn't want a rdm over a whm on rng setup.
Yeah I can't really see any reason that would hold up RDM or SCH as the healer for typical PLD + RNG spam events. Solace cureskin is nice but no where close to being needed.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Jamiemadrox 2014-06-27 03:33:43
Intrigued enough with the upcoming changes to build up RDM on my mule for dual-boxing. What should I be aiming for in terms of gearsets and merits? Haven't really touched the job since the level cap went beyond 75.
By Chyula 2014-06-28 17:08:21
You guys reading it wrong, its like pdt II, blood pact II. Haste II will break the cap by 3-5%.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-06-28 17:17:35
That would make rdm a must for both melee setup and rng setup
By Pantafernando 2014-06-28 17:18:28
You guys reading it wrong, its like pdt II, blood pact II. Haste II will break the cap by 3-5%.
Cure II doesnt break any cap.
By wormfeeder 2014-07-08 07:46:53
anyone acquired haste II yet or tested it out.
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By Ragnarok.Legendarycloud 2014-07-08 08:01:40
It's 30% haste, and can be bought from Adoulin Waterfront.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-07-08 08:45:52
As expected corsair and whm got replaced for rng+pld setup fight.
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By Cerberus.Spirachub 2014-07-08 08:59:09
As expected corsair and whm got replaced for rng+pld setup fight.
inc "why brd over cor" debate.
By Xijaah 2014-07-08 09:19:06
and looks like flurry is much more relevant than anticipated
By wormfeeder 2014-07-08 09:22:39
I think we will see more updates to jobs like this. some people don't want to lvl jobs just so they can get invites to Mega boss fights or the high tier battle fields. I bet they make all jobs relevant.
or rather an unneeded change for a forsaken job?
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