Rindomaru

just took one with store tp +13 acc+4 and ws acc +5 is this worth a dam just wanted some opinions

where did you get the augment at? i wanna go augment mine, but idk if the NM you fight makes a difference on the augments.

got it at grauberg S the nms aint too bad to kill

idk, its kind of a gamble between if you wanna risk a decent augment to get a possibly crappy one. i havent tried to augment mine yet, so idk what other ones you may have gotten. but i've seen the ones with +WS damage and + lots of sTP, so they could all just kinda depend on what other armor you put them with? or just another GK to have to mess around with/show off.

id really like to get a rep for hagun i can always use 3M lol

yeah. haha thats kinda what im trying to do, i can afford a Rindomaru, but 3 mil is alot for me at least. if i can something better than Onimaru, but not quite as good as Hagun, im happy with not spending that 3 mil.

when i got mine it was waaay baack in the day when it was 500k

It's basically if a Rindo 5-hit can trump a Hagun's +20% WS damage. My money's on Hagun.

i think thes weaps or some are more for campaign battles. i honestly doubt ill sell hagun ...unless i can get rindo with tp bonus ..../drool lmao

yeah i read that these arent supposed to be new Uber GK, or better than what we already have. just another situational/fun/ cheaper weapon we can get.

what do you think about it being better than an Onimaru? would + sTP and WS damage make up for the loss of 83 damage and acc/att bonus? even if you didnt have a 5 hit build.

this is the one that i got



it's not the best but it's sure worth it to me

cheers,
tabris of seraph

dam thats kinda sexy

Is that STP +16? O_o I thought it capped at 15

yes indeed it is sTP+16
^^

Gotta say too, enflash is damn sexy, not sure how the +8 figures into it since I wasn't aware flash had a variable potency, but even if it only procs every 20th hit, that's still gonna be saving someone shadows. Much better than enstun imo, as enstun can proc at random times and never when you really need it, but can also cause stun or head butt to have no effect which can be very very bad.

i'd say it proc's every 6~8 hits sometimes more often
only done basic testing at this point
still going for sTP15or higher ws acc+ and ws dmg+ on another rindo

it doesn't seem to generate enmity which is good
and proc's like other weapon over sambas and such

pretty nice to play around with, extra handy for sam/dnc solo

Is the flash potent though? Does it cause the mob to miss you when it goes off? Does it last longer than half a second?

To answer OP's question;
6hit Hagun > 5hit Rindomaru.

There has not been enough testing or fully seen augment potential yet. A little quick to defend your precious hagun. There was a rindomaru posted with WS Damage+7% StoreTP+15 Accuracy+5.

Sure it'll take time to get but i guess people just cant accept change.

It's true however that Hagun will probably always be better on HNM/endgame just due to the sheer level of the higher end things.

For every other thing in this game i can see Rindomaru pissing the hagun crew off.

And yes.... this is light years better then Onimaru lol.

Considering the higher base damage and WS+% on many of them, Rindomaru has out-parsed Hagun in several formulas. As stated much more field testing needs to be done, and who's to say that there aren't even more powerful augments that no one has received yet.

Almost everyone that bashes it is pissing themselves worrying that a free weapon might beat the 3 mil they spent.

Exactly the problem at the moment, the one someone posted with WS damage+7% is so much more epic considering the parses were already close without that damage% in the formulas this far.

It's going to be interesting to see, just have to ignore the bandwagon SAM's who do what are told/perceive is the best instead of testing and proposing theory and discussion.

I don't think Flash itself has an exact potency. As a PLD saying anyway. I believe the +effect% means the amount it will proc. Meaning his will proc every 11 hits or so in theory.

he's right: you realize this, right.

If you want to assume that without ANY testing on WS Damage+7% then sure.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm a fan of having higher base damage and having a weapon that keeps it's power upon any condition including Sekkanoki and Meikyo Shisui.

cool story bro

also: stop using askar korazin, jesus

So with 7% damage increase... and 20% faster weapon skills with a possible 5 hit setup, it's fine that your willing to bandwagon and completely ride haguns d@%#.

It's cool "bro", everyone does it... it's all the rage.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=97882

http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=97883

you were saying?

even then though, 6hit hagun's still ahead of rindomaru, sooooooooo

Please don't bring your blue gartr nonsense in here.

#1 http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=16337
How many people on your server even have that?

Unless your in some top endgame/ZNM static stop talking like you can get this easily. That goes for V.belt and half the other things listed.

#2 22,097,777 Gil for one of your item sets, this is nice and all, and i can now fully understand why guys like you feel *** hurt over these things, a 100,000 weapon making what 22 million takes possible.

#3 I don't TP in askar korazzin, i have no idea where you even got that notion unless you saw the item set i have with relic weapon.. in which case IS better then haub due to the ACC+20. Otherwise i use Haub+1. And the only reason i even HAVE that set is because i'm working towards stage four NOW. so ty.

So please stop making assumptions unless you parsed information using both in a complete set of tests. And sure i could spend 22 million on that setup, but would i? how about no, if i can spend half of that and compare damage, you can kiss my *** and i'll gladly gear my other six 75 jobs so that i might be of actual practical use to people in many situations.

This isn't the same situation as pachipachio and has actually decent augments but will take time to get. Love it when people see something new and cling to their hagun.

For the bottom line, Rindomaru with the CORRECT/BEST augments possible, it makes a 6 hit possible without even trying, it also makes a 5 hit that is PRACTICAL possible. All while keeping consistent and numbers on par with Hagun users.

The only thing i'll ever agree on still is that hagun may still be better for HNM or high level mob situations.

/end.***.rant.

excuse me mr. math-proves-rindo-is-better?

and no, i'm not butt hurt over hagun's price; i paid a straight million for it back in the day when people thought it was mediocre at best

if anything, i'm kinda more mad about my dusk gloves +1 and how they'll be essentially worthless to me once i get usubody (see: the links i posted prior to this)

last but not least, yea, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize you can get a 6hit np with that thing, but guess what?

3%~ haste =/= +20%~ ws damage.

ps: askar korazin is still bad even with amanomurakumo, which i find it laughable you think a relic's 20acc will cap your accuracy 24.7