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By Enuyasha 2012-05-26 15:30:44
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
I hear people bitching about greed, etc. But what is the difference between spamming for tickets compared to spamming H.M. Pouches.


Edit: Really why PMS because you had crap luck with a body and don't want to pay gil for it. Put the time in like the rest of us and it will come if you rather not pay.

well, for those of us that have put the time in but still dont like how people instantly revert to "i can make money off this"

but yea, everybodies just bitchin' cause we cant get items cause we dont want to pay ridiculus prices for a piece of gear. Also, you missed how it takes almost a few mils to straight up buy 30-50 forgottens to get maybe 3 more stats on the relic+2.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2012-05-26 15:33:17
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Enuyasha said: »
Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
I hear people bitching about greed, etc. But what is the difference between spamming for tickets compared to spamming H.M. Pouches.


Edit: Really why PMS because you had crap luck with a body and don't want to pay gil for it. Put the time in like the rest of us and it will come if you rather not pay.

well, for those of us that have put the time in but still dont like how people instantly revert to "i can make money off this"

but yea, everybodies just bitchin' cause we cant get items cause we dont want to pay ridiculus prices for a piece of gear. Also, you missed how it takes almost a few mils to straight up buy 30-50 forgottens to get maybe 3 more stats on the relic+2.

1)Farm Dyna
2) Sell Currency
3) Keep Left over Forgotten items
4) Buy needed Forgotten items
5) Repeat as needed.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-26 15:34:12
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Um.

Some relic+2 is vastly improved, and then there's the option to augment them for those pieces which have awesome augments (DNC legs, SCH feet, etc.)

Argute Mortarboard for example, is 5% cast/recast.
Argute Mortarboard +2 is 10% cast/recast.

Worth 2mil to me!
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By Enuyasha 2012-05-26 15:42:43
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
Enuyasha said: »
Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
I hear people bitching about greed, etc. But what is the difference between spamming for tickets compared to spamming H.M. Pouches.


Edit: Really why PMS because you had crap luck with a body and don't want to pay gil for it. Put the time in like the rest of us and it will come if you rather not pay.

well, for those of us that have put the time in but still dont like how people instantly revert to "i can make money off this"

but yea, everybodies just bitchin' cause we cant get items cause we dont want to pay ridiculus prices for a piece of gear. Also, you missed how it takes almost a few mils to straight up buy 30-50 forgottens to get maybe 3 more stats on the relic+2.

1)Farm Dyna
2) Sell Currency
3) Keep Left over Forgotten items
4) Buy needed Forgotten items
5) Repeat as needed.

Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Um.

Some relic+2 is vastly improved, and then there's the option to augment them for those pieces which have awesome augments (DNC legs, SCH feet, etc.)

Argute Mortarboard for example, is 5% cast/recast.
Argute Mortarboard +2 is 10% cast/recast.

Worth 2mil to me!

thats cool, now lets see how we can make 2mil off an item that is maybe less than that on AH :3

but im not going to argue...somethingsomething economics wins every time anyway :|
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-26 15:46:00
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..."maybe less than that on AH"..

What?
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By Enuyasha 2012-05-26 15:55:05
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
..."maybe less than that on AH"..

What?
Theres gear on AH thats high priced because they serve the same function as some of the Relic+2.

Semi-what i meant
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-26 15:57:27
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Like it or not, there are plenty of Relic+2 pieces that are best in slot.
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By Enuyasha 2012-05-26 15:59:40
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Like it or not, there are plenty of Relic+2 pieces that are best in slot.
Which means you should pay over nothing for it because someone got an item for free and decided they would make money off the lazy people :|

somethingsomethingeconomics :|
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2012-05-26 16:00:58
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Enuyasha said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Like it or not, there are plenty of Relic+2 pieces that are best in slot.
Which means you should pay over nothing for it because someone got an item for free and decided they would make money off the lazy people :|

somethingsomethingeconomics :|


FFXI isn't a charity.

ABC's, Alexandrite, Dynamis Currency, Heavy Metal Plates all cost gil. It's part of the game.
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By Enuyasha 2012-05-26 16:05:09
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
Enuyasha said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Like it or not, there are plenty of Relic+2 pieces that are best in slot.
Which means you should pay over nothing for it because someone got an item for free and decided they would make money off the lazy people :|

somethingsomethingeconomics :|


FFXI isn't a charity.

ABC's, Alexandrite, Dynamis Currency, Heavy Metal Plates all cost gil. It's part of the game.

all part of the playerbase imposing a market where it wasn't meant to exist :|

somethingsomethingitsbazzarablesoitwasmeanttobesold
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2012-05-26 16:06:02
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Enuyasha said: »
Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
Enuyasha said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Like it or not, there are plenty of Relic+2 pieces that are best in slot.
Which means you should pay over nothing for it because someone got an item for free and decided they would make money off the lazy people :|

somethingsomethingeconomics :|


FFXI isn't a charity.

ABC's, Alexandrite, Dynamis Currency, Heavy Metal Plates all cost gil. It's part of the game.

all part of the playerbase imposing a market where it wasn't meant to exist :|

somethingsomethingitsbazzarablesoitwasmeanttobesold


somethingsomethingunoriginal
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-26 16:06:33
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Enuyasha said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Like it or not, there are plenty of Relic+2 pieces that are best in slot.
Which means you should pay over nothing for it because someone got an item for free and decided they would make money off the lazy people :|

somethingsomethingeconomics :|

So your argument is that we should just give it all away freely?
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2012-05-26 16:08:07
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Enuyasha said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Like it or not, there are plenty of Relic+2 pieces that are best in slot.
Which means you should pay over nothing for it because someone got an item for free and decided they would make money off the lazy people :|

somethingsomethingeconomics :|

So your argument is that we should just give it all away freely?

Yeah basically.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2012-05-26 16:11:24
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Enuyasha said: »
all part of the playerbase imposing a market where it wasn't meant to exist :|

somethingsomethingitsbazzarablesoitwasmeanttobesold

I sincerely hope that while youre on ninja youre only using it as a long distance enfeebler, like what SE meant it to be and not the role the playerbase imposed on it.


I was going to say something much ruder, but then I decided to tone it down.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-05-26 16:11:26
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Enuyasha said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Like it or not, there are plenty of Relic+2 pieces that are best in slot.
Which means you should pay over nothing for it because someone got an item for free and decided they would make money off the lazy people :|

somethingsomethingeconomics :|

wtf nothing is free. Things just don't magically appear in a person's inventory. There is no reason to just give things away.
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By Enuyasha 2012-05-26 16:11:42
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Enuyasha said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Like it or not, there are plenty of Relic+2 pieces that are best in slot.
Which means you should pay over nothing for it because someone got an item for free and decided they would make money off the lazy people :|

somethingsomethingeconomics :|

So your argument is that we should just give it all away freely?
argument is that the first place players look when they look at new items other people are going to use for equipment shouldn't be "im going to make massive money off this, so why not sell it for an amount that en mass is alot more than it actually needs to be"
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-26 16:12:26
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That's because JPs with capped gil from Tav safehold glitch will pay anything.
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By Enuyasha 2012-05-26 16:17:18
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Bismarck.Altar said: »
Enuyasha said: »
all part of the playerbase imposing a market where it wasn't meant to exist :|

somethingsomethingitsbazzarablesoitwasmeanttobesold

I sincerely hope that while youre on ninja youre only using it as a long distance enfeebler, like what SE meant it to be and not the role the playerbase imposed on it.


I was going to say something much ruder, but then I decided to tone it down.
You can craft your own tools....and even as a ranged job you'd be using said tools. Doesnt mean tools should be sold at xK's per bag.

and derp everyone apparently who has something to gain from this is joining in on the arguement...better use the escape hatch now.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-26 16:17:58
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I have nothing to gain from this.

I don't do dynamis.

I just buy forgotten items.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-05-26 16:18:02
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Enuyasha said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Enuyasha said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Like it or not, there are plenty of Relic+2 pieces that are best in slot.
Which means you should pay over nothing for it because someone got an item for free and decided they would make money off the lazy people :|

somethingsomethingeconomics :|

So your argument is that we should just give it all away freely?
argument is that the first place players look when they look at new items other people are going to use for equipment shouldn't be "im going to make massive money off this, so why not sell it for an amount that en mass is alot more than it actually needs to be"

well then what should it be?
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-26 16:21:27
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Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-05-26 16:22:34
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sharing doesnt finish relics.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-26 16:27:43
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Since when were forgotten items overpriced? They're fine. They aren't unbelievably common on a per-dynamis run, they deserve to be more expensive than currency. If people can't make 1-2m to make a +2 piece, then they should learn how to play an economy properly.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-05-26 17:16:24
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I was wondering...why is the npc in Jugner? That's an odd place, these trades must be really shady.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-05-26 17:31:33
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Enuyasha said: »
but im not going to argue...somethingsomething economics wins every time anyway :|
There's a very good reason for that. SE's foolishness does not excuse yours, give it a rest already.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-06-04 20:01:53
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I don't remember where I posted the original post, so just putting this here. /shrug

06-04-2012 07:56 PM
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dova 2012-06-04 20:04:03
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Maybe I am misreading that. Is that saying because they want to keep the main objective of being able to help people viable, they do not plan on making them stack? Makes no sense to me unless someone can explain.
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By Bahamut.Dannyl 2012-06-04 20:05:09
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what stupid reasoning. What con's are there to having voidstones stackable, NONE.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-06-04 20:06:05
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Bahamut.Dannyl said: »
what stupid reasoning. What con's are there to having voidstones stackable, NONE.
The game becomes easier and they want to keep it difficult!

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By Asura.Daleterrence 2012-06-04 20:22:11
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
I don't remember where I posted the original post, so just putting this here. /shrug

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The development team gave us some insight regarding your request to make Voiddust stackable. The original system was developed so that your Voidstone stock would be replenished over time.
Voiddust was created as an alternative solution for those who are just starting Voidwatch or do not have enough stock to participate. In order to keep the main objective of this alternative viable (helping those that wish to participate but lack Voidstones), we currently have no plans to make Voiddust stackable.
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