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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-09-27 21:33:17
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Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
if i had a smn's 2 hour i'd be more inclined to attempt this. but yeah kaustra is brutal on it.
Could we get more information? Nukes used? Damage done? Did anyone else nuke? Party setup? etc.? Otherwise, you have nothing to demonstrate how powerful it is against AV.
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By Lakshmi.Emanuelle 2011-09-27 22:57:11
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i kinda expect it, it deals considerable dmg to dragua/jormm tiamat, orthurus and some nms that tested
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-09-27 23:03:09
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Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
if i had a smn's 2 hour i'd be more inclined to attempt this. but yeah kaustra is brutal on it.
Could we get more information? Nukes used? Damage done? Did anyone else nuke? Party setup? etc.? Otherwise, you have nothing to demonstrate how powerful it is against AV.
typical 18 man zerg alliance 3 brd 3 smn me on sch and the rest were DDs. I casted kaustra at the very start for 951 dmg, it perfect dodged at 15%, at which point it lasted 20 more seconds with a blizzard 5 doing 489 dmg and an aero 5 doing 206 dmg. enough?
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-09-28 03:24:34
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Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
if i had a smn's 2 hour i'd be more inclined to attempt this. but yeah kaustra is brutal on it.
Could we get more information? Nukes used? Damage done? Did anyone else nuke? Party setup? etc.? Otherwise, you have nothing to demonstrate how powerful it is against AV.
typical 18 man zerg alliance 3 brd 3 smn me on sch and the rest were DDs. I casted kaustra at the very start for 951 dmg, it perfect dodged at 15%, at which point it lasted 20 more seconds with a blizzard 5 doing 489 dmg and an aero 5 doing 206 dmg. enough?
yes
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By Siren.Mcclane 2011-09-28 03:25:51
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Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
if i had a smn's 2 hour i'd be more inclined to attempt this. but yeah kaustra is brutal on it.
Could we get more information? Nukes used? Damage done? Did anyone else nuke? Party setup? etc.? Otherwise, you have nothing to demonstrate how powerful it is against AV.
typical 18 man zerg alliance 3 brd 3 smn me on sch and the rest were DDs. I casted kaustra at the very start for 951 dmg, it perfect dodged at 15%, at which point it lasted 20 more seconds with a blizzard 5 doing 489 dmg and an aero 5 doing 206 dmg. enough?

Did anyone else do damage through Perfect Dodge? Never enough info!

Edit: SMNs doing BP, any rangers, etc
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By Phoenix.Eckeward 2011-09-28 04:00:20
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I just want to cut in and say I think Kaustra is calculated like other nukes, even though it's Dark Magic, so I just use my nuking set.
Although I know personally that it's affected by weather, but you need an Obi unlike helices. (Screenshots)

It's also reckoned the DoT is something like 1/4 or 1/5 of the initial damage but it's just speculation. And from personal experience again with; Kaustra manifested onto 2 mobs, a 50% resist on a mob means it lives about twice as long. By that standard your Kaustra was doing what that Aero V did to AV every tick.

(An enhancing set Bahamut.Cuelebra posted earlier)
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-09-28 04:11:35
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Siren.Mcclane said: »
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
if i had a smn's 2 hour i'd be more inclined to attempt this. but yeah kaustra is brutal on it.
Could we get more information? Nukes used? Damage done? Did anyone else nuke? Party setup? etc.? Otherwise, you have nothing to demonstrate how powerful it is against AV.
typical 18 man zerg alliance 3 brd 3 smn me on sch and the rest were DDs. I casted kaustra at the very start for 951 dmg, it perfect dodged at 15%, at which point it lasted 20 more seconds with a blizzard 5 doing 489 dmg and an aero 5 doing 206 dmg. enough?

Did anyone else do damage through Perfect Dodge? Never enough info!

Edit: SMNs doing BP, any rangers, etc
smns were just enjoying the show after casting alex (typical)

not other magic dmg was being dealt, and there was no one with a range attack weapon
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-09-28 04:20:11
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Phoenix.Eckeward said: »
I just want to cut in and say I think Kaustra is calculated like other nukes, even though it's Dark Magic, so I just use my nuking set.
when testing on the test server, we came to the conclusion that MAB does piss all for kaustra

which leads me to wonder what the actual V value is for kaustra, being that helix have a V value of 25 and blizzard 5 has a V value of 828. Where Int is in favor for all helix, and as the value increases, in this case blizzard 5 having 828 where mab does wonders for it.

all speculation of course, but i expect kaustra's V value being less than 100.
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-09-28 04:26:27
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also regarding your enhancing set, dominion feet give atleast 4 enhancing magic (mine has 4 atleast)

edit: literae sabots

caps a 5 enhancing magic apparently
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By Odin.Minefield 2011-09-28 04:32:18
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Until I get the actual items I'm missing from this set, this is probably would I'd roll with via-Embrava~


Of course the +2 gloves for increase duration. Lit. Boots(+5) and Fay Staff(+8)

Thoughts? I could be missing some stuff ;3
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-09-28 05:01:20
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Colossus's torque for the applicable day

otherwise uhhhhh as far as i could tell you're pretty much on the money
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By Odin.Minefield 2011-09-28 05:03:51
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Sweet, thanks. Soon as I get high enough ToAU I'll try my best to down Alex for one of those torques, hot *** :3!

I'm a bit disappointing they haven't made a ring with Enh. Magic+ on it. I see so many other rings with Ele/Enfeeb/Healing/etc., but no Enhancing yet;; ...but patience is a virtue!
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-09-28 05:06:49
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yeah iirc 448 enhancing gave us 6 tic regain, i forgot what the regen and didnt look into haste

sch can top out at 467 enhancing magic with merits and what not, be nice to see what 500 enhancing would give us at 99.
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By Phoenix.Eckeward 2011-09-28 20:27:19
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I love him, you nuke him and he hides in his shell and melts. If he pops out, hit him again. Fun for experimenting on.

Still working on my Yama's Staff, anyone on Phoenix want to {Team Up?}
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By Bismarck.Zuidar 2011-09-28 21:40:01
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Hey I just had a thought about Kaustra. Has anyone ever tried using it on a mob that absorbs magic dmg? I'm curious what would happen if it healed alot from Kaustra but would eventually kill it
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-09-28 21:48:01
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Bismarck.Zuidar said: »
Hey I just had a thought about Kaustra. Has anyone ever tried using it on a mob that absorbs magic dmg? I'm curious what would happen if it healed alot from Kaustra but would eventually kill it


Speaking of Kaustra. Anyone had any schs have any experience using Kaustra against Roly-Poly Voidwatch. he has high regen so was thinking if gone non-resisted kaustra might take a good chunk
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-09-28 21:58:02
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Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
yeah iirc 448 enhancing gave us 6 tic regain, i forgot what the regen and didnt look into haste

sch can top out at 467 enhancing magic with merits and what not, be nice to see what 500 enhancing would give us at 99.


I havn't seen an equation for Embrava yet, but:
Enhancing Magic Skill 396: 54/tic Regen, 4/tic Regain
Enhancing Magic Skill 402: 58/tic Regen, 5/tic Regain
so then... Enhancing magic 448: X/tick Regen and 6/trick regain???

has anyone come up with a general forumula or tiers for this. Im bad with numbers/math (failed calculus 3x b4 passing lolz)
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-09-28 22:11:09
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Odin.Minefield said: »
Until I get the actual items I'm missing from this set, this is probably would I'd roll with via-Embrava~


Of course the +2 gloves for increase duration. Lit. Boots(+5) and Fay Staff(+8)

Thoughts? I could be missing some stuff ;3
hyksos robe NQ or +1 or the ex/re version anhur robe.Rest looks good, though I have no idea you could get enhancing augments on feet and staffs? WHY NO1 TOLD ME /cry
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By Odin.Minefield 2011-09-28 22:24:00
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Oh, I totally forgot about that body! I probably will never get an Anhur Robe, but the Hyksos could be manageable~
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By Bismarck.Stfutaru 2011-09-28 23:09:15
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Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
yeah iirc 448 enhancing gave us 6 tic regain, i forgot what the regen and didnt look into haste

sch can top out at 467 enhancing magic with merits and what not, be nice to see what 500 enhancing would give us at 99.

Currently have 450 Enhancing and Embrava is still 5TP/tick. You might have Adloquium on?
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By Inuyasha 2011-09-29 16:01:56
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Phoenix.Eckeward said: »
I just want to cut in and say I think Kaustra is calculated like other nukes, even though it's Dark Magic, so I just use my nuking set. Although I know personally that it's affected by weather, but you need an Obi unlike helices. (Screenshots) It's also reckoned the DoT is something like 1/4 or 1/5 of the initial damage but it's just speculation. And from personal experience again with; Kaustra manifested onto 2 mobs, a 50% resist on a mob means it lives about twice as long. By that standard your Kaustra was doing what that Aero V did to AV every tick. (An enhancing set Bahamut.Cuelebra posted earlier)
where do you get those shoes...
*/runs to wiki*
lotto spawn NM /wrists
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By Phoenix.Eckeward 2011-09-29 16:16:11
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Bahamut.Cuelebra said: »
I haven't seen an equation for Embrava yet,...
Keep posting test results ;)

There's some stuff on the wiki. The equation for regen fits most of the results posted here:
Regen = (Enhancing Skill/7) + 1

Also, according to the wiki, a Kirin's Pole can give more Enhancing skill than a Fey Staff.

Edit: Also this if you care: Atma of Harmony
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By Bismarck.Stfutaru 2011-09-29 21:18:43
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Did some testing in Ballista.

Kaustra did 911 damage, did 227HP/tick.
911/227 = 4.37
So about a a little more than a quarter of the initial damage.

Embrava with 453 Enhancing gives 5 TP/tick still and 65HP/tick.
 
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By Sylph.Kollosis 2011-10-02 15:13:54
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Bismarck.Zuidar said: »
Hey I just had a thought about Kaustra. Has anyone ever tried using it on a mob that absorbs magic dmg? I'm curious what would happen if it healed alot from Kaustra but would eventually kill it

It shouldn't if it acts anything like a Helix does. When you cast a helix on a mob and said mob is healed by it (IE. Amphitrite when it's in phys mode) It will heal for the base amount of dmg but the "dot" wont occur from it. Try doing it with something susceptible to Modus Veritas and it will tell you that action cannot be made against this mob etc. when you try using Modus Veritas after. It's because the DoT doesn't exist when you heal it with a helix.
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By Asura.Jadecc 2011-10-02 15:36:37
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Sylph.Kollosis said: »
Bismarck.Zuidar said: »
Hey I just had a thought about Kaustra. Has anyone ever tried using it on a mob that absorbs magic dmg? I'm curious what would happen if it healed alot from Kaustra but would eventually kill it

It shouldn't if it acts anything like a Helix does. When you cast a helix on a mob and said mob is healed by it (IE. Amphitrite when it's in phys mode) It will heal for the base amount of dmg but the "dot" wont occur from it. Try doing it with something susceptible to Modus Veritas and it will tell you that action cannot be made against this mob etc. when you try using Modus Veritas after. It's because the DoT doesn't exist when you heal it with a helix.
if thats how a helix works it acts just like that. casted kaustra on a darkness ephemural on accident, didn't get hurt (absorbed hp but was full health) and it didn't recieve a dot.. unless it was a dot heal o.o but i dont think so
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By Yamoto 2011-11-21 23:04:38
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Has anyone gotten around to attempting to find the damage formula for Kaustra? I've been attempting to with much help from a LS COR. Unfortunately I don't have access to the test server otherwise I'd test it on there. The tests I've done apparently show that Dark Magic skill doesn't have any affect on damage.

Skill Testing on lvl.0 mobs:

Skill/INT Testing on lvl.0 mobs:

MAB Testing on lvl.0 mobs:

I've been trying to figure out the formula, and what I've come up with so far is V: ~202 and M: ~4.5. They come fairly close to my results, all of them under 5 damage difference except for the INT:106 one, that one was off by 64 damage. I'm only managing to get off 5 tests per 2hour so I don't have a very large test sample. Anyone who's good at this stuff let's try to figure out the exact formula!
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-11-21 23:07:10
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Can we assume that the 712 one, was a magic crit from some source perhaps? idk


edit: also, since this was necro'd, yes enhancing +5 do exist on lit sabots, I have +5. Also you can augment a kirin pole, with genbu scrap for atleast 11 enhancing magic skill.
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By Yamoto 2011-11-21 23:08:36
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
Can we assume that the 712 one, was a magic crit from some source perhaps? idk

Didn't have any crit gear on :/ naked except for 2 Icesoul Rings. Unless we're getting natural crit rate? Would be awesome but I doubt it :/
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-11-21 23:11:07
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Has to be SOME explanation for such a spike, idk... that much int should never increase dmg by that much.
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