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Square Enix Reduces Earnings Forecasts by 91%
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-19 00:51:58
and I guess if Cloud wanted to control Jenova, all the "clones" could become Cloud... or some ***, (in theory)
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-12-19 00:52:39
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: He was a remnant of Sephiroth as he had the same Jenova cells injected into him by Hojo when him and Zack were captured.
more like he was a better Jenova remnant than Sephiroth himself was, and Sephiroth had the power to overpower his "mother" and Cloud is stronger..., just it took him longer to control it...
Well I suppose that depends on perspective, Cloud has defeated Sephiroth but Sephiroth still resides inside him (That's what she said)
Jenova inside him, not Sephiroth...
Jenova cells are indeed inside him, but the darkness that resides inside all of the remnants is linked to Sephiroth (Hence Kadaj turning into him in Advent Children).
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-19 00:54:12
Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: He was a remnant of Sephiroth as he had the same Jenova cells injected into him by Hojo when him and Zack were captured.
more like he was a better Jenova remnant than Sephiroth himself was, and Sephiroth had the power to overpower his "mother" and Cloud is stronger..., just it took him longer to control it...
Well I suppose that depends on perspective, Cloud has defeated Sephiroth but Sephiroth still resides inside him (That's what she said)
Jenova inside him, not Sephiroth...
Jenova cells are indeed inside him, but the darkness that resides inside all of the remnants is linked to Sephiroth (Hence Kadaj turning into him in Advent Children).
I don't see the basis for this theory about any "darkness"
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-12-19 00:54:52
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: He was a remnant of Sephiroth as he had the same Jenova cells injected into him by Hojo when him and Zack were captured.
more like he was a better Jenova remnant than Sephiroth himself was, and Sephiroth had the power to overpower his "mother" and Cloud is stronger..., just it took him longer to control it...
Well I suppose that depends on perspective, Cloud has defeated Sephiroth but Sephiroth still resides inside him (That's what she said)
Jenova inside him, not Sephiroth...
Jenova cells are indeed inside him, but the darkness that resides inside all of the remnants is linked to Sephiroth (Hence Kadaj turning into him in Advent Children).
I don't see the basis for this theory about any "darkness"
Ever played Dissidia? It's all pretty much explained there.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-19 00:57:58
can't say I remember anything about it in it, sounds like BS to be honest.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-12-19 00:59:00
Well you don't agree with it of course it sounds like BS to you.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-19 01:03:45
Shiva.Flionheart said: Well you don't agree with it of course it sounds like BS to you. negative, it just in general sounds like BS, I don't disagree or agree with it, I just don't remember it, I'll have to play it again I guess.
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By Lakshmi.Ryanx 2010-12-19 01:10:23
this kinda scares me thing xi could be done because of this?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-19 01:32:50
Lakshmi.Ryanx said: this kinda scares me thing xi could be done because of this?
doubtful, unless they want to cut all of their profits. SE needs to sit back and give their fans want they want, and they have not been doing that over the past few years, while at the same time they should look into new things to bring in more players, sad but true a lot of people just don't play rpgs at all, or anything made in Japan, but most of those said people are generally cod and sport "games" retards (imo). Idk what they have been trying to do the past few years but it isn't working...
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By Quetzalcoatl.Crystalchan 2010-12-19 01:56:50
Kujata.Akeda said: tl;dr IMO both 13 and 14 really hurt the company because of their 'duurrr hurrr lets do what ever we want! People will buy it just for the Final Fantasy name' way of thinking.
Making FF14 basically free didn't help their earnings either.
When ever FF15 comes out I wouldn't be surprised if no one cared and it sold poorly even if they did everything right. ^
I don't think I would buy FF15, I'd have to be really *** impressed. Kinda sick of their ***after 13 and 14, I'll just replay all the old games instead buying POS new games :\
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-19 02:45:32
Quetzalcoatl.Crystalchan said: Kujata.Akeda said: tl;dr IMO both 13 and 14 really hurt the company because of their 'duurrr hurrr lets do what ever we want! People will buy it just for the Final Fantasy name' way of thinking.
Making FF14 basically free didn't help their earnings either.
When ever FF15 comes out I wouldn't be surprised if no one cared and it sold poorly even if they did everything right. ^
I don't think I would buy FF15, I'd have to be really *** impressed. Kinda sick of their ***after 13 and 14, I'll just replay all the old games instead buying POS new games :\
13 looked like it was going to be better than it turned out, I think they need to sit back and look at it as a quality perspective again instead of the bottom line (company talk) and they'll do better, which for some reason a lot of their staff just isn't getting.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-12-19 02:47:59
13 is great.
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By Ramuh.Chuuuuu 2010-12-19 02:50:27
Ramuh.Sagittario said: 13 is great. idk my friend bought it after i told him not to and he basically cried at how bad it was and returned it same day lol
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By Diabolos.Rydiya 2010-12-19 02:51:51
Ramuh.Sagittario said: 13 is great. Your face is great.
>.> Actually.. Your face is kinda cute.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-12-19 02:55:21
Ramuh.Chuuuuu said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: 13 is great. idk my friend bought it after i told him not to and he basically cried at how bad it was and returned it same day lol
Wow what a little ***. Could at least have made an effort. I don't like quitters.
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By Ramuh.Chuuuuu 2010-12-19 02:55:46
Ramuh.Sagittario said: Ramuh.Chuuuuu said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: 13 is great. idk my friend bought it after i told him not to and he basically cried at how bad it was and returned it same day lol
Wow what a little ***. Could at least have made an effort. I don't like quitters. he really hated it lol i know cuz he kept spam texting me how much it sucked lol i warned him!
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-12-19 02:57:23
Ramuh.Sagittario said: 13 is great.
Lol.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-12-19 03:02:58
Shiva.Flionheart said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: 13 is great. Lol.
no u.
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By Ragnarok.Vitaru 2010-12-19 03:16:29
Commenting on someone talking about the merge on couple pages back, It's true that the majority of Square-Enix employees were from Square Inc. but that at the time of the merge, usually when two companies merge after years the real shape of the company starts to come to the surface.
Keeping in mind that the majority shareholding capital is owned by Yasuhiro Fukushima (Enix's founder), the future of the "merge" will be most likely influenced by the board's vision, even though the board are not supposed to middle in day to day operations. Going back, Enix made it's only worthy title (imo) Dragon Quest, and was focusing more on diversified business module, hence they started acquiring subsidiaries.
I think the vision of the company is not about achieving "quality", it's about the consolidation look of the holding Co. and making profits by acquiring diversified businesses, which in the video game industry will bring you down ultimately, and the fail merge just sit its fruit.
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By Phoenix.Degs 2010-12-19 03:16:44
One thing that might bounce them back in a good direction, is maybe doing a second company merger, and getting some fresh new idea's on the table for new and old games, a revamping of the company as a whole would be a step in the right direction especially for the failed ff14 and the still going ff11
By Artemicion 2010-12-19 03:26:28
I wish SE had the same staff and mindset as they did in the early 90s.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-19 03:38:28
Artemicion said: I wish SE had the same staff and mindset as they did in the early 90s.
yeah, they should never have merged wit Enix, *** them both in the long run.
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By Phoenix.Degs 2010-12-19 04:02:24
Yea i have to agree with that one, seems ever since they did that merger with enix, they have been on the decline
Reposting this from the FFXIV forums because I thought FFXI fans and players should see the news.
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
It's pretty bad, but let's not be overly dramatic. SE is a behemothic holding corporation with billions in assets. Yeah, it's pretty shocking that they've lost 60+% of their value over the past two years, but they still have billions more at their disposal. Bankruptcy isn't even remotely on the horizon in the immediate future, unless they have a ton of debt or something that nobody knows about.
However, it does give real, tangible numbers to an endemic cultural problem at the company. They are doing permanent damage to their core brands, and unless they reverse course, I could see them being in real serious trouble a few years from now. Worse, Wada and the Board appear to be in complete denial about what the problem actually is.
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