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Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 03:32:41
Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: I pirate music from small new artists who need all the money they can get.
If I can sleep after that, botting is nothing to me.
I also don't seed. ok so it makes you a smart douche.
I'm a douche but I know I'm a douche. Most people are douches, most people are acutely unaware however.
I still don't see botting as a douche move though unless it effects someone negatively. when other people can't claim due to the unfair advantage you pose due to botting, it's affecting them negatively.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-11-01 03:33:27
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Technically = AH is a violation of ToS and can be deemed as cheating.
Realistically = Huge gap between the bots people want to mention as blatant cheating (claim bots, flee bots, auto-bots of any kind [roll out!] even noclip bots) and using FFXIAH.
There. just because it's violating the terms of service doesn't deem it cheating. That's like saying because harassment is a violation of the tos, it's cheating.
I didn't term it super correct but you get what I'm saying. The AH scrapes information using a bot or some sort to collect (probably via packet I dunno) and we facilitate such by using AH.
Again. You get what I mean.
WHY the *** have I had to side with Jetackuu in this thread. I use illegal things! lol
fair enough. Also Bartimaeus sooner or later everyone (at least once) (with a brain) will side with me at least one one issue or another.
It's just that you've made it PAINFULLY clear, at least to my knowledge, that you separated botting and using ffxiah in the same way I do. I asked you and you responded about it.
Now, if he hasn't to someone.. or contradicted himself then please point it out. I can't be home or awake to read this thread constantly. lol (And *** you if you think I'm going to backread more than like 2 pages on forums anymore. Youcrazy).
So like.. a bunch of you disagree with me that botting in the in-game claim/flee/pos sense is way different than using ffxiah?
Just trying to see if I'm some strange minority.
Different in an ethical standpoint, no different in a technical standpoint.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 03:34:01
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Technically = AH is a violation of ToS and can be deemed as cheating.
Realistically = Huge gap between the bots people want to mention as blatant cheating (claim bots, flee bots, auto-bots of any kind [roll out!] even noclip bots) and using FFXIAH.
There. just because it's violating the terms of service doesn't deem it cheating. That's like saying because harassment is a violation of the tos, it's cheating.
I didn't term it super correct but you get what I'm saying. The AH scrapes information using a bot or some sort to collect (probably via packet I dunno) and we facilitate such by using AH.
Again. You get what I mean.
WHY the *** have I had to side with Jetackuu in this thread. I use illegal things! lol
fair enough. Also Bartimaeus sooner or later everyone (at least once) (with a brain) will side with me at least one one issue or another.
It's just that you've made it PAINFULLY clear, at least to my knowledge, that you separated botting and using ffxiah in the same way I do. I asked you and you responded about it.
Now, if he hasn't to someone.. or contradicted himself then please point it out. I can't be home or awake to read this thread constantly. lol (And *** you if you think I'm going to backread more than like 2 pages on forums anymore. Youcrazy).
So like.. a bunch of you disagree with me that botting in the in-game claim/flee/pos sense is way different than using ffxiah?
Just trying to see if I'm some strange minority. this part of the discussion has only been going on for a page or so iirc, dunno kinda tired.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-11-01 03:34:33
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: I pirate music from small new artists who need all the money they can get.
If I can sleep after that, botting is nothing to me.
I also don't seed. ok so it makes you a smart douche.
I'm a douche but I know I'm a douche. Most people are douches, most people are acutely unaware however.
I still don't see botting as a douche move though unless it effects someone negatively. when other people can't claim due to the unfair advantage you pose due to botting, it's affecting them negatively.
I assume you've never been in a HNMLS.
You have to bot or you don't get claim simple as.
Blame the creators not the users.
Phoenix.Darki
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-11-01 03:35:27
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Phoenix.Darki said: sex
Bet that's a dudes butt. 3 random guys on AH accidentally fapped to it. not really hon.
it would still be creepy to know a couple dudes fapped to a drawing
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 03:35:47
Shiva.Flionheart said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Technically = AH is a violation of ToS and can be deemed as cheating.
Realistically = Huge gap between the bots people want to mention as blatant cheating (claim bots, flee bots, auto-bots of any kind [roll out!] even noclip bots) and using FFXIAH.
There. just because it's violating the terms of service doesn't deem it cheating. That's like saying because harassment is a violation of the tos, it's cheating.
I didn't term it super correct but you get what I'm saying. The AH scrapes information using a bot or some sort to collect (probably via packet I dunno) and we facilitate such by using AH.
Again. You get what I mean.
WHY the *** have I had to side with Jetackuu in this thread. I use illegal things! lol
fair enough. Also Bartimaeus sooner or later everyone (at least once) (with a brain) will side with me at least one one issue or another.
It's just that you've made it PAINFULLY clear, at least to my knowledge, that you separated botting and using ffxiah in the same way I do. I asked you and you responded about it.
Now, if he hasn't to someone.. or contradicted himself then please point it out. I can't be home or awake to read this thread constantly. lol (And *** you if you think I'm going to backread more than like 2 pages on forums anymore. Youcrazy).
So like.. a bunch of you disagree with me that botting in the in-game claim/flee/pos sense is way different than using ffxiah?
Just trying to see if I'm some strange minority.
Different in an ethical standpoint, no different in a technical standpoint. Depends if you consider the fact that the information available on ffxiah.com is available via ah sales history, (granted it's in a much better way and shows more information), vs something that the game was never intended to do in the first place, (give one player an unfair advantage over the other)
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By Asura.Matzilla 2010-11-01 03:36:25
Phoenix.Darki said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Phoenix.Darki said: sex
Bet that's a dudes butt. 3 random guys on AH accidentally fapped to it. not really hon.
it would still be creepy to know a couple dudes fapped to a drawing
hentai says hi
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-11-01 03:36:30
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Ok *** this I hate being in the middle. Totally done. lol
Btw The Walking Dead was as good as I thought it would be. :>
Awesome, I can't wait to see it! got it downloading atm, will watch it tomorrow, along with Dexter on my new Computer chair :D
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 03:36:52
Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: I pirate music from small new artists who need all the money they can get.
If I can sleep after that, botting is nothing to me.
I also don't seed. ok so it makes you a smart douche.
I'm a douche but I know I'm a douche. Most people are douches, most people are acutely unaware however.
I still don't see botting as a douche move though unless it effects someone negatively. when other people can't claim due to the unfair advantage you pose due to botting, it's affecting them negatively.
I assume you've never been in a HNMLS.
You have to bot or you don't get claim simple as.
Blame the creators not the users. Have, still know people that don't bot, and can outclaim bots. Just because others cheat, doesn't mean you should go down to their level. It's the same as saying "I only did it because he was doing it" doesn't make you any more right.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-11-01 03:37:42
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Technically = AH is a violation of ToS and can be deemed as cheating.
Realistically = Huge gap between the bots people want to mention as blatant cheating (claim bots, flee bots, auto-bots of any kind [roll out!] even noclip bots) and using FFXIAH.
There. just because it's violating the terms of service doesn't deem it cheating. That's like saying because harassment is a violation of the tos, it's cheating.
I didn't term it super correct but you get what I'm saying. The AH scrapes information using a bot or some sort to collect (probably via packet I dunno) and we facilitate such by using AH.
Again. You get what I mean.
WHY the *** have I had to side with Jetackuu in this thread. I use illegal things! lol
fair enough. Also Bartimaeus sooner or later everyone (at least once) (with a brain) will side with me at least one one issue or another.
It's just that you've made it PAINFULLY clear, at least to my knowledge, that you separated botting and using ffxiah in the same way I do. I asked you and you responded about it.
Now, if he hasn't to someone.. or contradicted himself then please point it out. I can't be home or awake to read this thread constantly. lol (And *** you if you think I'm going to backread more than like 2 pages on forums anymore. Youcrazy).
So like.. a bunch of you disagree with me that botting in the in-game claim/flee/pos sense is way different than using ffxiah?
Just trying to see if I'm some strange minority.
Different in an ethical standpoint, no different in a technical standpoint. Depends if you consider the fact that the information available on ffxiah.com is available via ah sales history, (granted it's in a much better way and shows more information), vs something that the game was never intended to do in the first place, (give one player an unfair advantage over the other)
Knowing a deep price history and easily accessing it is giving one player an advantage over another player. You can see trends on prices over months and manipulate the market to suit your findings.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 03:40:32
Asura.Matzilla said: Phoenix.Darki said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Phoenix.Darki said: sex
Bet that's a dudes butt. 3 random guys on AH accidentally fapped to it. not really hon.
it would still be creepy to know a couple dudes fapped to a drawing
hentai says hi yeah a lot of people whack off to cartoons.
not the one I was looking for, but I don't feel like uploading it.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 03:41:45
Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Technically = AH is a violation of ToS and can be deemed as cheating.
Realistically = Huge gap between the bots people want to mention as blatant cheating (claim bots, flee bots, auto-bots of any kind [roll out!] even noclip bots) and using FFXIAH.
There. just because it's violating the terms of service doesn't deem it cheating. That's like saying because harassment is a violation of the tos, it's cheating.
I didn't term it super correct but you get what I'm saying. The AH scrapes information using a bot or some sort to collect (probably via packet I dunno) and we facilitate such by using AH.
Again. You get what I mean.
WHY the *** have I had to side with Jetackuu in this thread. I use illegal things! lol
fair enough. Also Bartimaeus sooner or later everyone (at least once) (with a brain) will side with me at least one one issue or another.
It's just that you've made it PAINFULLY clear, at least to my knowledge, that you separated botting and using ffxiah in the same way I do. I asked you and you responded about it.
Now, if he hasn't to someone.. or contradicted himself then please point it out. I can't be home or awake to read this thread constantly. lol (And *** you if you think I'm going to backread more than like 2 pages on forums anymore. Youcrazy).
So like.. a bunch of you disagree with me that botting in the in-game claim/flee/pos sense is way different than using ffxiah?
Just trying to see if I'm some strange minority.
Different in an ethical standpoint, no different in a technical standpoint. Depends if you consider the fact that the information available on ffxiah.com is available via ah sales history, (granted it's in a much better way and shows more information), vs something that the game was never intended to do in the first place, (give one player an unfair advantage over the other)
Knowing a deep price history and easily accessing it is giving one player an advantage over another player. You can see trends on prices over months and manipulate the market to suit your findings. everyone has access to the same information (in game), whether they want to keep track of it or not is their own prerogative.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 03:42:57
you know what, I'm tired, on this part I'll agree to disagree if you will.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-11-01 03:43:03
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Technically = AH is a violation of ToS and can be deemed as cheating.
Realistically = Huge gap between the bots people want to mention as blatant cheating (claim bots, flee bots, auto-bots of any kind [roll out!] even noclip bots) and using FFXIAH.
There. just because it's violating the terms of service doesn't deem it cheating. That's like saying because harassment is a violation of the tos, it's cheating.
I didn't term it super correct but you get what I'm saying. The AH scrapes information using a bot or some sort to collect (probably via packet I dunno) and we facilitate such by using AH.
Again. You get what I mean.
WHY the *** have I had to side with Jetackuu in this thread. I use illegal things! lol
fair enough. Also Bartimaeus sooner or later everyone (at least once) (with a brain) will side with me at least one one issue or another.
It's just that you've made it PAINFULLY clear, at least to my knowledge, that you separated botting and using ffxiah in the same way I do. I asked you and you responded about it.
Now, if he hasn't to someone.. or contradicted himself then please point it out. I can't be home or awake to read this thread constantly. lol (And *** you if you think I'm going to backread more than like 2 pages on forums anymore. Youcrazy).
So like.. a bunch of you disagree with me that botting in the in-game claim/flee/pos sense is way different than using ffxiah?
Just trying to see if I'm some strange minority.
Different in an ethical standpoint, no different in a technical standpoint. Depends if you consider the fact that the information available on ffxiah.com is available via ah sales history, (granted it's in a much better way and shows more information), vs something that the game was never intended to do in the first place, (give one player an unfair advantage over the other)
Knowing a deep price history and easily accessing it is giving one player an advantage over another player. You can see trends on prices over months and manipulate the market to suit your findings. everyone has access to the same information (in game), whether they want to keep track of it or not is their own prerogative.
Not as much information. And you can spot buying and selling trends through lots of market information. Therefore people who use AH have an advantage over those who don't.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-11-01 03:43:25
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: you know what, I'm tired, on this part I'll agree to disagree if you will.
Fair enough.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 03:45:14
Asura.Bartimaeus said: I wonder if this dude sold his ps2. I had to go back and look at OP just to see wtf this was about. lol lol. I'd have considered buying it, just for a spare. However I have a ps3 now and quite frankly I believe I've spent too much money on copies of this game, (mostly due to the 360 constantly eating them, and needing codes for 2nd character) FFS I still have to buy the 2nd abbysea for both, /wrists.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 03:47:10
I wonder if it'd be worth staying up at this point, at the latest I'd be home by noon, could nap and finish my day. Hmmm.
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By Phoenix.Ragmar 2010-11-01 03:47:36
PC has raped the game, should be console only. Playing with mods because you lack skill is just sad lol. RDM is too hard without spellcast QQ. Avesta didn't have to bot to make RDM what it is today. Watch the vid's. The "ffxi is hard without cheats crowd" should really stick to board games.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 03:48:58
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: It's about a guy on a journey seeking guidance for his one true believer... the PS2. Once found, this local hero will bring forth the justice within that of the shadows, fear not of this brave warrior, for he shall remain victorious. this is humorous, it's kind of sad that the emotion engine is poorly emulated with software (20gb and 80gb model ps3's tried hard)
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 03:50:08
Phoenix.Ragmar said: PC has raped the game, should be console only. Playing with mods because you lack skill is just sad lol. RDM is too hard without spellcast QQ. Avesta didn't have to bot to make RDM what it is today. Watch the vid's. The "ffxi is hard without cheats crowd" should really stick to board games. o.O seriously dude?
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By Asura.Matzilla 2010-11-01 03:50:57
Phoenix.Ragmar said: PC has raped the game, should be console only. Playing with mods because you lack skill is just sad lol. RDM is too hard without spellcast QQ. Avesta didn't have to bot to make RDM what it is today. Watch the vid's. The "ffxi is hard without cheats crowd" should really stick to board games.
not the case, people have fun playing this game and how they have fun doing it is.. none of your concern!!!!!!!!!! you can gm them and cry all you want but I'll play this game however I like :)
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Going to put a Ps2 with Hardrive/FF11 and all expansions up to Wing of the goddess, with an adapter for sale on Ebay just wondering if anyone is interested before I put it up.
email me at Dennis_macura@yahoo.com with price
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