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By Altimaomega 2015-11-20 23:22:31
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I have yet to see anyone put forward evidence based reasoning as to why our current refugee program is inadequate, much less in need of being halted. I know we aren't going to see said reasoning, but its amusing to watch both the conservatives on this site and on Capitol Hill pretend like there is a problem. Like I said on the first page, I am much more willing to talk about why our visa waiver program is a problem rather than our refugee system.


289 votes says it does. I have no problem with them doing the same to the visa program as well.
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The House easily passed a bill Thursday that would suspend the program allowing Syrian and Iraqi refugees into the U.S. until key national security agencies certify they don’t pose a security risk.

Only 219 votes passed Obamacare and you guys are all for it!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-11-20 23:26:52
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Like I said, I know we aren't going to see any evidence based reasoning, from anyone on this website or Capitol Hill. The refugee program will continue unabated, and it will remain the most difficult path to gaining entry into the US.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-20 23:32:42
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Altimaomega said: »
But who will argue with me about the sun having nothing to do with the climate of our planet then!
All this does is remind us how wrong you are in other threads.
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289 votes says it does.
And no reason why other than "bcuz turrists". Let's base more legislation on knee-jerk fear.
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By Altimaomega 2015-11-20 23:33:17
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Perhaps they should try one of the easier paths then?
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By Altimaomega 2015-11-20 23:34:08
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Let's base more legislation on knee-jerk fear.

Coming from you this is priceless!
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-20 23:39:37
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If, say, one day, you did come across a piece of evidence, would you even be able to recognize it? Or would the thought process be too foreign, like trying to taste the color yellow?
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By Altimaomega 2015-11-20 23:41:49
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Yellow is lemon everyone know this!
 
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By Altimaomega 2015-11-20 23:54:37
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And I don't see why these people who will have to come from nothing, having lost everything, to be something.

They get ample support once here http://www.visaus.com/benefits.html
yet another thing our American tax dollars are used for.

Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Don't deserve our damn respect.
Want me to give them respect, have the men fight for their country. I have zero problem taking care of the women and children if this was to happen.

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I really will never understand all the bashing towards them :/ just ignorance.

Men that should be fighting for their country are running here in droves.. could be part of it.
 
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By Altimaomega 2015-11-20 23:58:52
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And that's the problem.
 
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By Altimaomega 2015-11-21 00:13:33
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Good comeback, your ignorance is showing.
 
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-21 06:34:03
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Sending civilians to war is a great way to cull the population. Nice idea!
 
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By Phoenix.Erics 2015-11-21 08:07:12
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Oy vey, he referenced nazis.. we might as well stop everything, less we become ze germans.



Also, last time i checked (yesterday) Trump was back peddling or gave up on it.. but either way he claimed the media warped his words into a national muslim database. Although, even in that case im pretty sure there had to be some sort of basis related to it that he said.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-21 08:17:13
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Nazis were mentioned on page 1 already. These days we talk about them a lot more than usual in all threads.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-21 09:25:11
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Let's base more legislation on knee-jerk fear.
Next time there's a mass shooting and liberals call for more gun control, I'll make sure to quote this and see what excuse Pleebo will make then.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-11-21 09:38:07
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Altimaomega said: »
Want me to give them respect, have the men fight for their country. I have zero problem taking care of the women and children if this was to happen.

Males are far and away the smallest demographic that get admitted as refugees, especially single males of fighting age. They don't get selected.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2015-11-21 09:54:19
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Interesting read considering all the fear talk about refugees.

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Why American landlords love renting to refugees

One week a refugee family is fleeing the brutality of civil war and living in a shipping container near the Syrian border, and the next they might be moving into a furnished apartment in Cleveland. Completing this trek from war-torn villages to safety in the U.S. can take years and involves a complex apparatus of donors, volunteers, nonprofit organizations, and U.S. State Department personnel. But the resettlement process ends just like every American apartment rental story: with a signature on a lease.

Welcoming refugees to the U.S. has become a highly charged political issue in the wake of last week's terror attacks in Paris that killed 129 people. The House voted on Thursday to put the resettlement program on hold even in the face of a growing humanitarian crisis. Thirty-one governors have objected to taking in refugees, and a majority of American adults in a recent Bloomberg Politics poll doesn't want to accept Syrians over concerns about terrorist infiltrators. There is renewed impulse to protect the nation by turning away desperate refugee families trying to escape dangerous areas.

But the small group of U.S. property owners who lease homes to refugees have come to learn something that has been noticed in this heated debate: Renters from regions suffering the gravest instability tend to make the most stable tenants. Renting to refugees, it turns out, has become a surprisingly steady business.

“I’m not doing this for charity.”

For the last five years, Daryl Anderson has been buying foreclosed homes in Cleveland on the west side of the Cuyahoga River, usually for less than $8,000. He fixes them up and rents most of the homes to new arrivals from Iraq, Somalia, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, among other places mired in conflict. About 80 percent of the tenants in his 40 rental units are refugees.

“I’ve never had to evict a refugee family,” says Anderson, 36, who built his apartment portfolio after serving in the U.S. Marines Corp. “When they come here and get a quality house, they take care of the stuff that they’re provided.”

Keith Raynor, who has rented apartments in Utica, New York, for the three decades, also prefers to sign leases with refugees. “There was less turnover, which helps with the bottom line,” he says. “I’m not doing this for charity.”

Anderson's business has been able to grow because of consistent demand from newcomers. Most of his tenants—who typically pay $750 a month for a three-bedroom unit—are referred by Us Together, a local affiliate of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, one of nine resettlement agencies that contract with the U.S. government to provide services to refugees. Anderson's steady relationship with Us Together has created a dependable flow of new tenants, which in turn helps him bring two new rental apartments onto the market per month.

When a tenant moves out, Us Together helps Anderson fill the vacancy. When he finishes a new renovation, the nonprofit often has someone ready to move in. “If I post on Craigslist, I’ll get 10 responses, and I’ll show the apartment to six of them,” the landlord says. “That’s harder.”

Once a refugee is referred to the U.S. by the United Nations High Commission for Refugees, it takes an average of 18 to 24 months to process the application. But things move quickly after a refugee is allocated to a resettlement agency and placed with local nonprofits, forcing aid workers to scramble to arrange basic household items and services like school admissions. The U.S. government requires resettlement agencies to equip refugees' new homes with a list of furnishings only a bureaucrat could love. In addition to basics like a box frame and mattress, each refugee is entitled to receive a can opener, an alarm clock, and pen and paper, said Danielle Drake, a community outreach coordinator for Us Together.

To house refugees upon arrival, the resettlement agencies need property owners who will rent to tenants sight-unseen, usually without so much as a credit check. (Before they arrive in the U.S., refugees are vetted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Department of Homeland Security, and other federal agencies.) Refugees receive a one-time stipend of up to $1,125, which must cover all initial expenses, including housing. That often means convincing landlords to waive all or part of a security deposit.

To convince landlords that it makes sense to work with refugees, advocates emphasize reliability. “Refugees have often been on the move for so long that it’s a tremendous relief to be able to stop traveling,” says Sarah Ivory, a regional director at the CWS Immigration and Refugee Program, a resettlement agency. She tempts landlords with the prospect of conscientious tenants who have a tendency to stay in an apartment for a long time.

Meanwhile, the resettlement agencies and their affiliates provide strong job placement support and, at times, private funds to help refugees through a rough spell. That can give landlords a measure of confidence that tenants will be able to pay the rent. When Ivory started out as a case manager for a refugee aid group 10 years ago, those inducements meant “landlords would fall over backwards” to rent to her clients. Now, however, “the rental market is much more saturated,” Ivory says. “In some places, it’s getting harder to find people with vacancies who are willing to take the risk.”

Abbie Christophel, a landlord who estimates that refugees occupy about 10 percent of her family’s 180 rental apartments in Harrisonburg, Virginia, will quote Leviticus to explain why she rents to refugees: “The stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself.” But the 40-year-old landlord has other reasons to prefer people fleeing war and strife.“This is an area with a lot of students,” says Christophel. “We would rather rent to refugees, who aren’t likely to throw a midnight kegger.”

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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-11-21 12:03:59
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Entering the U.S. as refugees would be the hardest way for would-be terrorists
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How does a refugee get into the U.S.?
Refugees must undergo an 18- to 24-month screening process, minimum, that the United Nations' refugee arm oversees. And that's before individual countries even begin to consider a refugee's application and conduct their own additional interviews and background checks.

The screening process generally includes multiple interviews, background checks and an extensive cross-referencing process that tests refugee's stories against others and accounts from sources on the ground in their home country.

Throughout that process, U.N. officials and local government officials in temporary host countries like Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon look to determine the legitimacy of asylum seekers' claims and ensure that they meet the criteria of a refugee, including that they are not and have not been involved in any fighting or terrorist activities.

Refugees also have their retinas scanned and have their fingerprints lifted.

Christopher Boian, a spokesman for the United Nations High Commission for Refugees, called the process "stringent" and "long and complex."

"If at any stage in that process there is ever the slightest shadow of a doubt or the slightest whisper of suspicion, they are removed from the process. That is that," Boian said.

"The very, very few Syrian refugees who are accepted and referred for consideration for resettlement in another country -- there simply is no more closely scrutinized population on earth these days," he added.

That's because other countries have so far pledged to resettle just 159,000 of the more than 4 million Syrian refugees -- setting an extremely high bar for resettlement.

And refugees aren't automatically considered for resettlement: only the most vulnerable refugees -- such as torture victims, female heads of household, people with serious medical conditions and other especially vulnerable groups.

So after they go through that process by the U.N., the U.S. does an additional screening?
That's right. After a rigorous screening process and several interviews carried out by the U.N. refugee agency, refugees the U.S. agrees to consider for resettlement have to undergo an additional interview, medical evaluation and security screening.

According to one U.S. government official, there's an additional layer of vetting that's specific to Syrian applicants, including special briefings for interviewers and information from the U.S. intelligence community.

The security screening involves checks against several government agencies' databases and terrorist watch lists using biographic and biometric information. It's a process Mark Toner, a State Department spokesman, recently called "the most stringent security process for anyone entering the United States."

And Syrian refugees get an additional, more targeted layer of screening involving the U.S. Intelligence agency, according to a government official.

READ: How do Syrian refugees get into the U.S.?

Sounds pretty rigorous. How does the refugee process stack up to other ways of getting into the U.S.?
The refugee program is simply the toughest way for any foreigner to enter the U.S. legally.

For most people, getting a tourist visa to enter the United States is much easier, but still requires an in-person interview and involves a typical background check. The process takes anywhere from a few days to a couple months.

But there's an even easier way to get into the U.S. if you're a citizen of one of 38 mostly European countries, including France and Belgium.

Travelers from those countries don't even need to first apply for a visa to get into the United States. They buy a ticket, grab their passport, and undergo the usual screening from U.S. customs officials when they land in the U.S. They are still checked against security databases before they get on the plane and upon arrival.

The fact that most of the Paris attack suspects were European citizens who would have had access to the visa waiver program is setting off some alarm bells. At least one of the eight Paris attackers likely would have been able to travel to the U.S. under the visa waiver program, U.S. national security officials told CNN Friday....

Sen. Angus King, an independent from Maine who sits on the intelligence committee, said it "would be much harder" for a terrorist to get into the country through the refugee program than with a passport from one of the 38 countries in the visa waiver program.

"(The refugee process) would take 18 months to two years. Under the visa waiver program, it could take 24 hours," King told CNN in a phone interview. "The target of our work should be strengthening the visa waiver program."
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-21 14:11:27
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Let's base more legislation on knee-jerk fear.
Next time there's a mass shooting and liberals call for more gun control, I'll make sure to quote this and see what excuse Pleebo will make then.
If terror attacks begin plaguing the US on a monthly basis, then we can start comparing the two.
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By Jetackuu 2015-11-21 14:13:56
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We could compare them now, it's really very similar.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-21 14:15:32
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It's refugees hunting season, need more guns!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-21 22:12:23
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Let's base more legislation on knee-jerk fear.
Next time there's a mass shooting and liberals call for more gun control, I'll make sure to quote this and see what excuse Pleebo will make then.
If terror attacks begin plaguing the US on a monthly basis, then we can start comparing the two.
What are you talking about? There has been terrorist attacks in the US every single day for a while!
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