Increased Job Points. Winners And Losers.

With job points and gifts going to 1200 which jobs are the winners and which are the losers?

Link below to see the full bonuses and gifts.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/47901#threads/45366/?page=2

Red mages looks cool with refresh 3. Black Mage with death. Bard with song duration plus 5 %. Although 1200 Jp is a long way away and most people prob won't even go for it, which jobs can really benefit from 1200 Jps? Can a warrior with 1200 Jp be useful now?

Opinions? Facts? Thoughts?

BLU won the update with their 1200 gift.

Yes. So much yes. I never put much time into farming JP's and now i really regret it. 1003 job points to go...

Personally, I also like RDM's 1200 gifts.

Corsair...

I can't even pretend ;;

I think BLM got a crappy 1200 gift as well.

I should have taken a SS of the TH13 proc I got the other day, that was me getting frustrated with never getting savory shanks + never getting a dring that I decided to poke behemoth with level 1 weapons.

DNC's 1200 point gift is honestly pretty poor. When we got it at 100 JP, it was incredible; going from 5 FMs to 7 was pretty game-changing since Reverse Flourish can only consume 5 FMs, allowing you to reliably close a self-SC with Climactic Rudra's without using No Foot Rise, for instance. However, I've yet to see anybody give an example of something we can do with 9 FMs that we couldn't do with 7.

2% Crit damage and Skillchain damage gifts are hard to get excited about, too (to say nothing of the 550 JP gift actually being a DPS loss), and the generally lackluster nature of the DNC JP categories themselves may lead to a lot of DNCs putting their JP progress in park. The Contradance bug was awesome but hey, nothing lasts forever.


Nobody could expect BST's 100 JP gift to be repeated at 1200 like the other jobs, but what they got could have been worse. It's a flat, if modest, damage increase. At lower levels, the familiar stat increases are getting pretty big (even if that's just compensating for BST not really benefiting from the player stat gifts) and really, given that BST has arguably the best JP categories in the game they'd be a winner this time around even just from the increased caps.

Full Cure for WHM seems interesting, not sure where it would be useful though. Using all your mp to cure 1 PT member seems kind of over the top, can pretty much do that with a cure V and sacrifice for less mp cost.

This is a last ditch effort when a bad whm actually manages to find a way to run out of MP. Use Full Cure on the tank with your last 20 mp then rest.

It may not be the best overall but still there is a VERY big difference compared to THF TH gift. BLU gets tier buffs for ALL job traits it equips except double attack (triple attack), gilfinder (treasure hunter) and auto-refresh.

PUP's gift is very welcome with the new attachments, but to be honest I'm not really sure how I am going to use it. My PUP is basically just a tank these days, and +2 elemental capacity won't help much with that. The only thing I think this will do is make my automaton MORE unkillable, which is kinda nice for those i135 fights with gimmicks I can't regen through as of now.

As for SMN, there was a change done to how BP delay works. The summoners in my shell have theorized that the it might be possible to take that time down to 21 seconds now. I don't remember exactly what they were saying, but chances are pretty damn good they they'll have 1200jp today, so we'll see tonight.

Yeah, set dw 1, get dw3, then take advantage of the stupid amount of dw that SE is throwing on all the gear.

Yes, blu's is a tier up for every job trait you set at once. And in the process of getting there you will get another 5 blu spells points allowing you to set even more traits.

Hit 1200 SCH. Got +12MACC +10Eleskill +10MAB out of it. Helix II are a streight upgrade of course. Around 300-400 dmg more on a cast without many buffs. Not game breaking but very nice.

SCHs get very nice gifts yo.

Another PUP here to say that the extra attachment capacity isn't really all that. Even the 100JP gift is overrated, and 1200JP is certainly not some massive gain on the level of the truly excellent 1200 gifts like BLU (come on guys, BLU is the obvious winner).

PUP gift doesn't fix any of the major issues with puppets (which are still issues despite the near constant job adjustments):

Tank automaton is just as unkillable with/without 2 extra slots, especially with stronger new attachments just released. It's also just as hard/impossible for tank puppets to keep hate off any decent DDs & BST pets, regardless of gifts.

DD automaton (Sharpshot, DD-spec Valoredge) is still mediocre damage and it's nearly always better to focus on maximizing damage from the master. The gifts are nice, and definitely a welcome addition, but hardly game-changing even if it is the situation where the gifts help the most. At least you can send a DD Valoredge in with the BST pets on fights that are too dangerous to melee and it can do SOMETHING for damage (and be pretty sturdy at the same time), but no equivalent to BST Ready moves means it's hardly going to compete with a competent BST's pet [the real answer here is that PUP needs a more significant boost in automaton WS power, that would pretty much fix things].

WHM/RDM automaton does the exact same thing with 0 JP as with 1200 JP gift.

BLM automaton is theoretically improved by gifts opening up room for more ice attachments, but still not really worth using.

Not that JP are bad. PUP will actually get far more benefit out of the in-between gifts (Accuracy/Attack/Defense Bonus and the like), as opposed to the more eye catching automaton capacity ones.

SE1: "Hey, let's give COR a really nice 1200 JP gift since they've basically been shafted on gifts."

SE2: "Whoah whoah there... we have them -10 sec delay on Quick Draw at 550, plus they always get the bonus on Corsair's Roll."

SE1: "True... Snapshot+5% it is!"

Well, not gonna say COR didn't get a garbage gift, but at least the +5% snapshot is always active.
RNG got:
Reduces ranged attack delay while under the effects of Velocity Shot by 5%.
So they only get their 5% delay reduction 40% of the time.

Unless they changed it, you can fulltime Velocity Shot (Duration 2:00:00, Recast 5:00).

But, Velocity Shot last two hours once used.

Edit. Beaten. I assume you are thinking of Rapid Shot, that has a random proc rate.

Oops I read 2 min and not 2 hours. my mistake.

Winners: War, Drg, Drk
Losers: Sam, Blu, bst

Sam, blu, bst need a buff.

So obvious, 0/10, must try harder.

Am I the only one whos first thought was that "we all lost" since this means more job point farming?

Yes and no.

I already had a massive amount of JP's stored up on several jobs prior to the latest version update, so in a sense, that put me (and many others) ahead of the curve.

Honestly, nobody won as much as BLU. The 1200 is insane and escalates the job even further ahead of all others when it comes to DD, and even allows for a lot more versatility spells. SCH and SMN also got some very nice buffs, and GEO's Ra 3 spells are quite nice as well.

i kinda like the rune ones, the 1200 is trash, but the boosts in inquartata is nice. with the base trait and the boosts, assuming you are also using empty legs, i think its a 21% boost in parry. so 26% is the lowest you can get, thinking thats epic. also with embolden going to to 15, that is a 65% boost to that pro 5 your whm is casting on ya. also can never complain about the MDB gift.