Rudra's Storm Update

It doesn't work like that.

Darn, I guess thief will remain your's.

Too much porn.

This so hard. Ran a bee delve the other day, I was one of three THF's. At least one was bandwagon since I've seen him run hundreds of delves and never knew he even had THF but here he is. I was 45% of the damage on trash, reset parse and over 50% of the damage on the boss. Was my first endgame back since taking a two month break.

Ran a AA GK on GEO, as GEO/NIN meleeing. I was only about 2/3 one of the THF's damage. We already have plenty of people who don't know how to play THF, now we have bandwagon baddies on top of that.

I didn't want a big damage upgrade for THF, I was pretty happy with where we were, a little more on MS/RS/MS would be fine, sure. I wanted TA to transfer ALL hate, or Hide to always work and drop ALL hate, so we could return to being a hate control pro. I never felt like my damage was severely lacking before, and now it's just absurdly high...

I had a similar experience recently on Bee, destroyed everything up to the boss, on the boss the RNG we had with us pulled ahead when things went shitty, whm kept being in range of everything so I had to play defensively while the rng sat back and just decoyed into people.

Well, the mechanics of bee are exactly perfect for RNG, both the hate control aspect and RNG gets to somewhat (or fully?) ignore the -DT she gets.

Why would a rng care about hate?

If my cor can melee fine against bee, rng should use daggers and melee bee.

And hate is just a problem if stun misses incisive something.

All I'll say is it wasn't the strongest group so it all got a bit panicked over nothing. Basically the RNG was meleeing but when it got a bit crazy he broke off and just shot from distance.

I'd be extremely surprised if Rudra's doesn't get nerfed significantly in the next patch. So I don't expect the bandwagon to last particularly long.

Fudo hasn't got nerfed and SAM can WS a lot more than a THF can.

RS isn't THF exclusive.

Bandwagon will always happen, I am not thrilled about the flux in mediocre THFs around, but christ on a bike, it's better than the god damn SAMwagon we just had.

It's nice to have the best job the best DD again. /joy

Samba!

THF bandwagon seems like a positive for everyone to me. It will be easier to have TH in the group. I don't think the SAMwagon is going away either though.

Its more fun to bring 2thfs and a dnc to frontline stuff and cooperatively skillchain than bring 1 sam and 5 backline jobs to prop up a samurai while he spams some long skillchain solo.

Pretty sure the drama over the ws buff has more to do with:
-'Career THF' not liking more competition for easy 'TH **** ' party spot in incursion + HT BCs.
-The latecomers on the kogawagon now having more jobs competing for the DD spots. I have gleefully smoked a kogasam on a parse more than once with dnc, so yeah, much mad to be had by some.
-Certain people gear jobs and gear them well so they can get invited more often to stuff or do certain battle content. If that 'investment' doesnt pay off, people cry for nerf etc.

Bandwagon is never positive for anyone. It ruins the point of having variety.
This is true, *** that 1 SAM 5 support ***. That's just straight up homo.

-No, job pride. Not job jelly. If you genuinely enjoy something, nothing ruins it like gimps giving it a bad name.
-Player, not the weapon. I've never seen anyone with Koga be impressive. "good" yes. "better than average" "better than tsumaru" sure.
-Should've never bandwagon'd in the first place, I hope they nerf Fudo AND Rudra, just so all those people who koga'd can cry. And BLU can get all the riders.

There needs to at least be 6~ job "options" the community actively plays to consider things "balanced". All we did was tack a 3rd on, but it's really bad, to where SAM and MNK are even getting sidelined by people. And the fights become boring, get to 3000% tp, take a huge chunk out of a bosses ***. It's too strong. Maybe make it 12-13 fTP instead of 19.5, which would make it still quite strong, the best 3000% ws (assuming mandalic goes down too) and make it right where it was before, slightly weaker but still competitive to Mercy Stroke. This would set Twashtar to using Rudra's for sure, and gives the ws a place for other THF's regardless.

Just me and my friends joining the bandwagon. :)

but according to the new bandwagon leaders 5% wsd isnt worth not using delve daggers...

Treasure hunter is proven to be the best thief stat, if you're not using it then you're garbage.

well if you read the sandung ah page, apparently th gear only has to be on for the first hit. so better to use gear options and pretend to be a, sam level dd for a bit until nerf.

If you've been playing thief for as long as I have then you'd know if you're wearing TH when you kill the monster your chances of receiving good drops improve dramatically.

I think I just died a little inside

Your memes got me good man. Have a +1.

I just find it sort of laugable when people complain about bandwagoners. In my experience most people are forced to "bandwagon" from lack of getting invites to events and access to gear from less favorable jobs. People post battle strats and indicate that you "need" certain jobs to ensure victory and when you don't have said jobs you wouldn't get an invite to join the raid. Now when you level and gear said job to get access to these fights and gear you are called a "bandwagoner." It's sad but true but at the end of the day who cares. People won't think less of a thief if a "bandwagoner" thief in their group sucks, they will just think less of that individual thief. People need to get off of their high horses and realize that people play this game for different reasons. And maybe some people's reasons are to play with the hot job at the time and to inflict mega damage to mobs and get into raids that matter. Just my 2 cents.

This is almost true. This was the case for the MNK bandwagon. And even arguably the SAM bandwagon, and DEFINATELY the RNG bandwagon.

THF offers NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING other than omgwtfrudras. There is NO REASON to bandwagon it at all.

It's survivability is terrible. Hate control is non-existant. DNC can do the exact same thing and better, While offering steps, sambas and saberdance. Go bandwagon that.

What you did there, I see it.
DNC wagon will never take off, you can't trick people into playing DNC!
DNC can't fill the shoes of the 'TH spot' and/or Dps slot like THF can. If you bring a DNC its because you want a versatile dps option that can clutch tank/heal but your battle strategy is still to treat them like a dps slot.

Yeah dnc easily outsurvive thf, this has more to do with THF slacking on dt sets because they never were tanking before, or if they did get KO'd it was not going to jeopardize winning the battle content because lolthf dps before the update.
You THF have the burden of being responsible for high damage output and not dying, time to try harder at not dying now!

THF is the easy road to omgrudras, a superior dyna/salvage farming job, *and* more party invites - period.

I do love a challenge. I'm definitely going to start playing THF more.