Pope Says: We're Not So Different, You And I...

It's NPR, so deal with it, GOPeers.


First he was all about the gay rights, and now he's saying some benevolent being isn't dictating every facet of our lives? This guy is like... the best damn pope ever!

I hope some benevolent being isn't dictating every facet of my life. Hours spent on the internet looking at weird ***....

If this lets more people come to some sort of mutual tolerance of one another (as far as catholic at least, if not more) I would not mind hearing more of his thoughts in similar subjects. Even if not wholly embracing his interpretation, it is seems like a solid effort at least.

This is what I think of everytime Francis makes some progressive proclamation...

Basically, the pope is following the example of the ffxi development team and caving in to his fan base because he's been rapidly losing subscribers.

You realize a pope can say not to Judge homosexuals, that God loves homosexuals because they are his children, and not go against any dogma/ doctrine. Heck the Pope could go out and Bless baby rapists and it wouldn't go against the church, simply put God loves all and Judges all so the pope can spin as much as he wants for PR.

Also the catholic church and science have never been at odds because of Doctrine/Dogma, simply it was church leaders fearing the results of new scientific developments usurping the authority of the church.

I personally don't know you so this isn't talking about you direcetly.

You can look at weird porn and fap all you want. The Catholic God does not control your actions, the tenant of Free will.
Pretty sure if he is watching half the ***going on he would be on Heaven FB like:

"SMFH, the face you make when idiots spend all day in their mother's basement playing video games and fapping, then decide to go on the interwebs and blame you."

I laugh every time someone references this clip exactly because the crucified Christ image was not the original icon, anyhow. The resurrected Christ was the face of Christianity for 1,000 years. Then everyone got depressed that he was still gone and things... took a turn.

But as I say every time Francis is brought up: he's a Jesuit. The Society of Jesus has a long history of not giving a toss about tradition when it is interfering. For instance, they're the ones who very nearly converted the whole of China and Japan, the former by integrating themselves into the culture and the latter so successfully that the Emperor had to ban the religion for fear of being overthrown.

a.) You meant "tenet."

b.) Free will and omniscience (from which predetermination is derived) have been a source of contention among believers in YHVH for three millennia or more. It's a little facile to dismiss years of philosophical pontificating, which is not at all what Francis did.

Have any of you seen a catholic bible? They literally put a WARNING ALLEGORY sign in front of Revelations.

Also they are not young earth creationists.

Say what you will about the tenets of national Socialism, at least it's an ethos.

When I see an opportunity to shove in a Lebowski quote, I will. Also, I want to keep the love and peace train a' rollin'.

I wonder how long before he starts giving out Gold Mog Pells Old God Pells to those who remain faithful?

tenet, correct, it was early and was not paying attention to spelling.

However, your second point is based on information not stemming from Roman Catholicism. The Pope is the father of the Roman Catholic faith.

Peter 3:9 “it is not God’s Will that any should perish but that ALL should come to repentance”.
“who can resist the Will of God?" Romans 9:19.

God is all powerful, God wants all to be saved, Then everyone is saved. God is all powerful, God wants everyone to be saved, God allows for a choice, Then not everyone is saved.

Dante the author of the Divine comedy puts its best.
"In his primordial love he[God] erected me." Inscribed over the gates of Hell in Dante's Inferno.

The choice of Sin (Adam and Eve) is what lead to the fall of man/ Original sin concept. Jewish / Christian / Muslim faith rest squarely on this foundation. They all seek to cleans and purify through various means in order to assure salvation.

Predetermination springs from the reformation and is at it's core heretical in regards to the Roman Catholic Faith. This principle also gave rise to the idea of "goody," a title bastardized from Goodwife and Goodman, in works like the Crucible, to signify a "Good person of the faith," one who was a member of the church and thus would be saved. These are the people who drowned suspected witches and left it to "a God will sort it out" kind of approach, since with predetermination, killing some one was doing them a favor, and if they were going to hell its fine because they were evil anyways.

Please don't muddle the water and confuse the overly abundant tenets/forms of Christianity which are comparatively new with that of the Roman Catholic Faith, which is almost 2000 years old.

I thought it said "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here".

edit: In fact, I know it did. You need to reread the Comedy, son!

Never understood if humans had free will. if we have free will then god isn't omniscient since that entails being able to know past/present/future. If god cannot foresee the future, he isn't omniscient, if he is omniscient and knows the future, then we have no free will(because he knows what we'll do.) besides if god is all-knowing, he knows the pathways of our nervous system and neurochemistry and what decisions we're likely to make based on the probabilities of certain nerual pathways and synapses firing based on past experience etc, so from a probablistic perspective he knows what choices we'll make before we do. if he doesn't then how can he be all knowing. So it always bothers me that god would be mad at us and cast us out for sin that he built us with the capacity to have.

Because God is the ultimate troll.

You should probably be more pissed that if you don't act within a set of guidelines that have been changed throughout the years by human hands and translations and the like that you will be sent to hell.

In any case... if we only had the capacity for the one and not the other the outcome is already set. No choice. You're only able to do what it wants at that point.

I think of it like this... Your parents buy treats but tell you that you can't have any until you eat your vegetables. They allow you the capacity to get ahold of and consume the treat but they've also laid out guidelines of when you can and can't have them. Someone can provide the opportunity and still be disapointed if you deliberately choose to disobey that which is expected of you.

I wonder how pissed the guys in hell for eating shellfish are now.

each year we get closer and closer to being a sims character whose creator just plops them at a computer till they fill up their fun bar then a mix of barely getting sleep before work and back on the pc as soon as they get home till the next time to go to work. I guess its better than being the painting goblin.

Also i dont think any sin in existance is worth eternity in hell. Do you know how long eternity is? You're alive for ~60 years on average but for your crimes of taking lives of other people who live short lives you spend trillions upon trillion upon trillions(actually infinite) time suffering? I think after the first hundred years suffering, you'd question if the punishment even fits the crime, also the suffering/pain in hell would cap out and you'd probably become numb to it.

OT God: Tanaka
NT God: Yoshida

You've probably lost your sanity long before that...

there's some people who deserve an eternity of hell

That probably depends on who you are... Everyone has an opinion on what the punishment should be and it tends to vary pretty wildly...

ITT: People don't comprehend what an eternity is or that God could simply utilize rehabilitation. The ones that want to rehabilitate that is since 'free will' is the catch all for letting Lucifer and bad people. It's either milk and honey or sticking hot pokers in your eyes, no exceptions.

Except for those times God directly interferes like Hurricane Katrina or that Haitian earthquake or whatever disaster you want to attribute to God rather than atmospheric/geological processes.

Also amazing is how Lucifer has somehow gained equal power to God. You need only ask Christians about every bad thing and suddenly Satan is in the midst ever omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent. Did he filch some uber artifact before getting fired from Heaven?

I also emailed the high heavens about the 'truth' coming down in the middle of bum *** nowhere, Middle East while people across SE Asia, Australia and the Americas were left with their thumbs up their *** for thousands of years till colonizers, disease and inequality showed up. I hope to get at least a form letter from some underpaid schlub working the angelic QA page.

Amazing processes the heavens have for spreading the good news. Send Europeans in with the gospels attached to the ends of swords, bayonets and smallpox blankets. You're gonna need Jesus when we're done with your anus.

How about he is smart enough to know every possible outcome and therefor knows everything, even the ***that doesn't happen.

End Thread.

ahhhh popes and religion....

I'll just leave this here: Zeitgeist - Greatest Story Ever Told

You can't end the thread! Only I can end the thread! Supreme executive power, baby! BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAA!!!

It's already ended.

Only further comments are going to

group a: *** says ***about another *** profainly belittleing religiong or science

Group B does what group a does.

And we get 32 pages of people bitchung about meaningless ***.

you're born
You live
you die.

You are either judged or you are not.

Philosophical argument is pointless as it won't win an argument and science is years from ever even being remotely able to prove god doesn't exist.

So yeah... why not end it now and stop being being Trolls and arguing pointless craps that just makes me fear for Humanity who want to waste time arguing rather than working to a goal like ...

Curing Cancer.

And Yes i realise the error in my reasoning by posting people wasting their time on a forum when I have done said thing myself ~ I'm trying to save peeps time tho yo.

It's alllll poiintless.

Okay, everyone. Let's start curing cancer.

hell if we could all just be nice to each other, I'd die a "slightly" less angry Scotsman.