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 Garuda.Tyfoon
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By Garuda.Tyfoon 2009-07-24 20:09:27
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I haven't seem much scythes yet. Whats up with that?
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-07-24 20:22:24
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Chaosx said:
Was that in sky you got the magic attack bonus? If so it seems sky might give out better augments.


It's a level 51 item, I thought doing superior FoV was useless if the item was like low level ?
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2009-07-24 20:27:46
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Poof said:
Clumps said:
I just got my Rindomaru aug'd to :
Store TP+11
Weapon skill dmg+4%
Weapon skill acc+4

Now i need help whats beter this or Hagun?

Well, if you can get a 5 hit build, that's where you have an argument, and that's the majority of the discussion of Hagun vs. Rindomaru.

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To get a 5-hit build with a 450 delay weapon, you need 74 Store TP and you need to do it in a way that doesn't sacrifice too much of your other gear, Haste & Accuracy being the two people fear losing the most. That's one of the reasons a lot of people would recommend full usukane while attempting this setup.

With that being said, let's look at a potential 5-hit setup with Rindomaru.

+25 Store TP IV Samurai Level 70 Job Trait
+10 Merits 5/5 in Store TP
+13 Usukane body & feet (preferebly set for the Haste as well)
+5 Rajas Ring
+4 Rose Strap
+15 Rindomaru
+1 Brutal Earring
+1 Attila's Earring or Ecphoria Ring

+74

You could forgo the Rose Strap, Attilla's Earring and/or Ecphoria Ring if you ate Carbonara.

Remember Rindomaru has higher base damage than Hagun, but that doesn't mean Hagun's TP Bonus is worthless. It's still an incredible weapon.

There's different ways to go about this, and Rindomaru also makes a 6 hit build extremely easy without wearing garbage Hachiman gear or meriting Store TP. You only need 45 Store TP to get a 6 hit build with a 450 delay weapon.

So, it really depends how you go about it. If you set up a strong 19% Haste full Usukane 5-hit Rindomaru build, then it is definitely a weapon that can give Hagun a run for it's money.

There are other ways to get Store TP if you are missing some or all pieces of Usukane, although, you may sacrifice Haste & Accuracy to go any of those routes. You should be able to get to 74, though, even without a Rindomaru with Store TP +15

Make sense now?


<3 Love this.

So many people are butt hurt over this and will defend hagun until the end though. The way i see it, if you have some decent pieces of usukane... and keep a good run of haste... hagun just got owned.

But again careful, there are already a million debates an hour going on for this lol.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2009-07-24 20:50:38
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Antipika said:
Chaosx said:
Was that in sky you got the magic attack bonus? If so it seems sky might give out better augments.


It's a level 51 item, I thought doing superior FoV was useless if the item was like low level ?


Lol, forgot those are only 51. That's damn sweet for an augment at that level.

Edit: Someone did a SH (57) in sky today and got Resist Virus lol. So lower level items will work in higher FoVs.
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-07-24 21:11:27
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Chaosx said:
Antipika said:
Chaosx said:
Was that in sky you got the magic attack bonus? If so it seems sky might give out better augments.


It's a level 51 item, I thought doing superior FoV was useless if the item was like low level ?


Lol, forgot those are only 51. That's damn sweet for an augment at that level.

Edit: Someone did a SH (57) in sky today and got Resist Virus lol. So lower level items will work in higher FoVs.


It's not what I meant. I know it works, I mean, why pay 450 tabs if you can pay less for the same augment ? Like doing sky or VoS with a low level item won't get you better augment, that's what I thought at least.

Otherwise it's *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, get a lv20 item with INT+6 ?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2009-07-24 21:15:48
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Antipika said:
Chaosx said:
Antipika said:
Chaosx said:
Was that in sky you got the magic attack bonus? If so it seems sky might give out better augments.


It's a level 51 item, I thought doing superior FoV was useless if the item was like low level ?


Lol, forgot those are only 51. That's damn sweet for an augment at that level.

Edit: Someone did a SH (57) in sky today and got Resist Virus lol. So lower level items will work in higher FoVs.


It's not what I meant. I know it works, I mean, why pay 450 tabs if you can pay less for the same augment ? Like doing sky or VoS with a low level item won't get you better augment, that's what I thought at least.

Otherwise it's *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, get a lv20 item with INT+6 ?


That what we're trying to figure out. I guess I should've asked where you got that augment as opposed to did you get in sky.
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By Fairy.Poof 2009-07-24 21:35:00
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Clinpachi said:


<3 Love this.

So many people are butt hurt over this and will defend hagun until the end though. The way i see it, if you have some decent pieces of usukane... and keep a good run of haste... hagun just got owned.

But again careful, there are already a million debates an hour going on for this lol.


no problem :) And the point is, different things work for different people depending what they have currently and will have access to in the future. Some people just can't find the time to Salvage for example.

I think both can be great solutions alongside relic and mythic weapons as well, its just a matter of preference. People just need to be mindful of giving their Store TP purpose. For example, don't merit Store TP 5/5 unless you are actually doing something with it, and don't merit more than you need to for your 5 or 6 hit setup. If you plan to put more time into SAM for a strong 5-hit Usukane setup, only merit Store TP and/or use gear (such as Rose Strap) as much as you need to, and take into consideration that you can forgo things like Rose Strap with food like Carbonara.

Using this formula can help you calculate what you need for a weapon with any delay.
base TP/hit * [1 + (StoreTPTotal / 100)]

Using the example of a Hagun or Rindomaru 450 delay (11.5 base TP return):

11.5 * [1 + (45 / 100) ] = 16.675 (16.67 tp/hit is needed to get 100 TP in 6 hits)

11.5 * [1 + (74 / 100) ] = 20.01 (20 tp/hit is needed to get 100 TP in 5 hits)

To input this into a calculator such as the one that comes with windows press:

1 + 74 / 100 [Enter] * 11.5 [Enter] and that's how much TP you'd get per hit.

On longer delay weapons you may find a way to get 25 TP per hit setting you up a 4 hit build, especially during campaign with wacky things like Rose Strap. I haven't researched this so it may or may not be possible, because you'd need 93 Store TP for a polearm with 480 delay. EDIT: It is definitely possible, at, least with a Rose Strap in campaign. Neato :)

On a personal note, I was planning to do the full usukane/rindomaru 5-hit setup.
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By Asura.Chiririn 2009-07-24 21:39:12
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i risked my rainbow cape and my results was ice resistance +12 and earth resistance +15. it was a FoV in valley of sorrows. i guess i made the right choice in picking out a cheap equipment instead of wasting a valuable or expensive equipment like noble's tunic and some others. my notes on this augmented rainbow cape was that "too bad that it's not that good", but it was the augmented stats if you guys asked me.

my tip for augmenting the equipment is that don't try to risk your own valuable or an expensive equipment if you don't have the money to re-obtain the equipment back to its normal stats.
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-07-24 22:46:14
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*** polearm lol,

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=17810

And

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=18446

Both having Stp on the weapon itself w/ 480.

If ur gna do a 4 hit, use 1 of them :O, Futsuno being better
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-07-24 22:54:19
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Futsuno Mitama is the best GK in the game, free 5 hit build thanks to high delay AND Store TP +8, as well as 8 STR that procs on ws.

Pachipachio on the other hand isn't that hard to get, yet not many people use it, because it's not that great. Only having 2 Store TP means that you're sacrificing too much good gear to activate the 5 hit build, AND it has -6 accuracy.

I think Rindomaru is going to have the same issues as pachipachio though, as 15 STP still won't get you as close to a 5 hit build as 480 delay and stp +2 I think, so you still have those gear sacrifices. If Rindomaru turns out to not give Hagun such a run for it's money as people thought because of these sacrifices, the 15stp will at least allow for a very easy 6 hit build, allowing you to optimise the rest of your gear for damage better, making it the cheap SAMs weapon of choice.
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-07-24 23:02:04
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Blazza said:
Futsuno Mitama is the best GK in the game, free 5 hit build thanks to high delay AND Store TP +8, as well as 8 STR that procs on ws.

Pachipachio on the other hand isn't that hard to get, yet not many people use it, because it's not that great. Only having 2 Store TP means that you're sacrificing too much good gear to activate the 5 hit build, AND it has -6 accuracy.

I think Rindomaru is going to have the same issues as pachipachio though, as 15 STP still won't get you as close to a 5 hit build as 480 delay and stp +2 I think, so you still have those gear sacrifices. If Rindomaru turns out to not give Hagun such a run for it's money as people thought because of these sacrifices, the 15stp will at least allow for a very easy 6 hit build, allowing you to optimise the rest of your gear for damage better, making it the cheap SAMs weapon of choice.


Yea, no,

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=18318 Kthxbai.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=95568 6 Hit Amano, w/ 21% Haste, obvious u can minus Yoic and Ninurta, and get Speed and black tathlum or w/e for range, and Mar's for Ultha ring or w/e Toreadors.

Shits on any 5 hit build ever. Kaiten > All.
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-07-24 23:08:00
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Yeah fair enough, hidden effect and Tachi: Kaiten kinda surpass the actual stats.
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-07-24 23:09:10
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Blazza said:
Yeah fair enough, hidden effect and Tachi: Kaiten kinda surpass the actual stats.


Its Stp+7 i believe, which imo, is not enough lol, should be like Auto 6 Hit w/ no gear and just Merits >.>
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By Remora.Hackstealandbot 2009-07-24 23:12:48
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friend got DMG+4, ACC+10, Triple Attack +2 on THF augment weapon
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By Bahamut.Gengi 2009-07-24 23:37:12
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Hackstealandbot said:
friend got DMG+4, ACC+10, Triple Attack +2 on THF augment weapon


Need moar pix!! lol thats actually something id get ezly 4 thf looks like a sic off hand 4 my x's
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-07-24 23:45:27
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Edit: Pic got deleted <_<
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By Lakshmi.Drekien 2009-07-24 23:59:44
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badass.
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By Remora.Hackstealandbot 2009-07-25 00:15:17
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Gengi said:
Hackstealandbot said:
friend got DMG+4, ACC+10, Triple Attack +2 on THF augment weapon


Need moar pix!! lol thats actually something id get ezly 4 thf looks like a sic off hand 4 my x's


kk ill take a screen of it when he logs on next
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By Pandemonium.Krebons 2009-07-25 00:24:31
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From FoV Sky
Errant Body
+2 AGI
Resist Stun +3

meh.

ninja edit: id post a picture but i play on 360 and dont know my mail pw for pol ww fail
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By Lakshmi.Ryansrc 2009-07-25 01:01:01
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not bad not great but better then it was

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By Asura.Chefm 2009-07-25 01:03:13
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It's some nice for my Rng ^^
Edit: Ummm i meant SAM/rng
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-07-25 01:07:46
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Chefm said:


I still can't work out how to link and image that's hosted on ffxiah :/
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By Titan.Ardiem 2009-07-25 01:22:03
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I just did Errant Body and got +1 Def! Yay Me! My girlfriend got +2str +11Light Resist on her Nobles, and a friend we were helping got -5 Agi +2 Int Mnd on his Scouter's Rope! Yay!
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By Fenrir.Blizzle 2009-07-25 03:09:03
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Blazza said:
Chefm said:


I still can't work out how to link and image that's hosted on ffxiah :/


...umm RNG can't wear that. Or were you kidding?
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By Odin.Blazza 2009-07-25 03:11:34
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lol, he prolly didn't notice :o
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By Lakshmi.Ryansrc 2009-07-25 03:48:22
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i love this augment for my thf

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By Asura.Shua 2009-07-25 03:51:56
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Blazza said:
lol, he prolly didn't notice :o


Give it about 15mins.. and he'll be like..

"Wait a sec... *shuffles through inventory* ... *checks his main job*

"Orite. ._."
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By Asura.Sneaker 2009-07-25 06:24:22
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holy *** ....
this aquilo's is awesome! ur rly loved by altana lol
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2009-07-25 07:01:37
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not mine sadly
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just a thought could there be some correlation between job and race that u trade items as?
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