Job Balance?

IMO WHM MNK SCH GEO COR BRD= top tier, both SAM and BLU should be good tier.

Stuff like tanking not working for many years and will never be fixed unless there is a major overhaul to battle systems.

I never seen a group take a PLD to Tojil or any boss for that matter due to how bad tanking is broken still and SE doesn't want to fix it. Melee can tank with pretty much no downsides mobs can't really effectively kill melee making a tank a waste of a slot due to their low dps. Then we have the broken enmnity cap which everyone can still reach very easily once again rendering tanking useless when the mob is bouncing between whatever melee hit it last.

Krab and Mastop it's godly on

and definitely one of the best for Bee.

People ***on BLU because it's a hard job to play / gear for. Too many people use it as a "fun" job and don't take it seriously and thus when they are asked to play it suck horribly. Having a good BLU in your alliance makes Ceizek easy, having two makes it a complete joke.

Depends on the NM, the zone and the setup. Krab and Mastop it's godly on and definitely one of the best for Bee. It's ~meh~ on Tojil and Shark. The rankings of any particular job depend on the zone your doing. DNC would suck in Morimar but be outstanding in Ceizek. WAR and DRK beat SAM easily in Morimar and Foret yet fall behind in Ceizek. DRG is amazing in Ceizek yet falls behind those three in Morimar and Foret but you want one anyway case of Angon. DRK doesn't get as much of a bonus from having a DNC in the party vs everyone else. RNG is beyond godly on the Bee but lags behind everywhere else. The only job that's consistently "great" is MNK for the above stated reasons.

People ***on BLU because it's a hard job to play / gear for. Too many people use it as a "fun" job and don't take it seriously and thus when they are asked to play it suck horribly. Having a good BLU in your alliance makes Ceizek easy, having two makes it a complete joke.

I never seen a group take a PLD to Tojil or any boss for that matter due to how bad tanking is broken still and SE doesn't want to fix it

The more "advanced" groups *cough hacking cough* send out someone, usually a RDM, from the mage PT to do this.

Done Ceizak with and without BLU, didn't notice much difference v.s using another piercing DD tbh, besides terror on scorp makes entire alliance super happy because they no longer have to pay fully attention on scorp and can play in more relaxing mood :p It's not bad, it's just not a make or break DD job without the benefit of terror.

You don't need to hack to pull and sleep mobs. Killing trash mobs is not difficult. A BRD can do this job fine, as almost all NMs can be consistantly lullabied.

You can night+troub->horde lullaby daku or muyingwa along with the adds and immediately proceed to do your rotation while your melee clear the adds, resulting in an engage immediately after songs are up with clean positioning for all your mages.. why anyone prefers pld saccing to this is beyond me

This tells me everything I need to know about your delve experience.

Groups don't bring PLD to "tank", they use it as a puller / NM holder. The PLD's job is to go out and collect the NM's you need to fight while your engaged while deaggroing adds. PLD then holds those NM's nearby until your ready to fight the next one, its a time saver. The more "advanced" groups *cough hacking cough* send out someone, usually a RDM, from the mage PT to do this. There are also many advanced groups who prefer the safety of having a PLD as the puller in-case something ~bad~ happens and the NM's need to be held longer or something sack pulled.

Getting the Bee to 25% HP is piss easy, it's getting it the rest of the way that's hard. It's also where most shells end up timing out at.

And wow didn't know SAM's had they're own version of Pchan.

Majority of the group still find having a PLD easier, rather than use BRD RDM etc to "save a spot", unless they really can't find a PLD. Ppl tend to use easiest setup with more room for error/least skill and team work required.

No it's not, even without a BLU. Or maybe you're the BLU version of Pchan.

Two known ways to deal with it are ranged damage or non-elemental damage. AA / Mura SAM, RNG or Req BLU. Mastop is similar but is based on debuffs, Req still completely ignores it.

I guess the PLD thing must be pretty server specific. On Phoenix, they aren't in any boss runs I've been in (ignoring the runs at the very beginning when everyone was still learning). RDM or mage PT's BRD does it.

You guys are BST haters, btw!

DRK can use req on that phase and still use GS on other NMs, SAM and COR can use ranged dmg, and SAM probably WS much faster than BLU. MNK can rotate formless/HF, then have random deal reset it then reset it 2 more times with WC and random deal. BLU is really not a must have.

Ranged damage seems to be handled separately from the rest. The bee takes +100% from piercing damage so at the start all piercing is doing ridiculous amounts of damage. By the time you get to 25% melee damage is down to 10~15% of it's original value with ranged being 50% and non-elemental still being 100%. If you fight it long enough then eventually ranged damage won't be doing jack sh!t but honestly if that happens you got other issues. It's why I recommend taking one BLU and one AA SAM at a minimum, your covered for all damage types and the bee should melt. I tend to go to Foret and Ceizek as the BLU and usually parse in the top 2~3 with my only real competition being DRG's and good (read: don't f*cking miss) AA SAM's. A big part of my placement is how many WoP's I have to use to get rid of slowga.

blu sucks mnk is best like its always been

blu sucks mnk is best like its always been

sry but no

Regarding DNC, I think it should be kept in mind that very few jobs benefit from more than 5% haste samba and COR should be doing samba/steps to begin with.