Kenkonken Parse

Just dicking around I've seen PUP do 2.8-3k nukes in Legion..though it was against the Turtle. Also when we were short on RNG for Odin we had a PUP come and engage his sharpshooter for pretty nice results. His WS were doing about 1500+ish on em.

In the case of stringing pummel, the spreadsheet is inaccurate, because we don't know how the ws works, or rather, what's wrong with it.

lol when the hell I said that? I don't remember saying that ever lol.

Stringing Pummel is a Critical STR/VIT modded WS that has 6 hits. What's not to know?

The modifiers are 32% STR 32% VIT. 100% TP is 20%, 300% is 45% chance of critical hits.

If there's anything wrong, it would be the input data of the spreadsheets.

Its damage is not up to speed with such powerful stats. It likely has an attack bonus in line with drakesbane

Well, there are a few things unknown about Stringing Pummel:
1) What are the real 100/200/300 TP Critical Hit Rate mods?
2) Is there something else weird about it? - People say it underperforms the damage that the spreadsheet claims it should do.

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Stringing_Pummel

Keep in mind that < means "less than." If I was guessing, I'd say 10%/20%/40% critical hit rate for the progression.

The maximum possible attack penalty from my testing would be 11%.

I believe Byrth did some testing with it trying to determine things like that. May have been a different person though. I thought I remember them saying it may have a small attack penalty if anything.

Nevermind Byrth beat me to it!

Isn't it *** cruel they give an attack penalty to the most attack starved melee out there, when it comes to pummel? It's just *** lol.

What the hell happened in here?

Can we really complain? At the time the ws was made we were somewhat hated because we got a better mythic ws than MNK, a ws we still use quite regularly today. Besides, it's multi-hit and crits. I'm somewhat satisfied. XP

I herped, I derped, I wouldn't stop posting. :<

And a lot of pointless fighting... normal PUP thread stuff.

Yeah, but we already have a tough time keeping up, it's an uphill climb from the jump lol. I think I'm going to officially start working on my KKK's, honestly.

Some months ago the spreadsheet had pummel narrowly beating spiral with my gear, but in reality SP consistently parsed worse by several hundred damage, and I've seen a few other people with similar experiences.

I have no idea what stats the spreadsheet was using at the time thou. If I'm looking at it right, it has pummel at 10% crit at 100tp. BGwiki currently has it at 20%, but it was 35% IIRC not that long ago.


Quote got the wrong name, not sure how that happened. Fixed the post.

Honestly I think if they just gave us an ability to toughen our auto, like Steady Wing (without the need to clunk up the auto spots with earth ***. Most times I just don't have room), and extend maneuver duration by a lot, life would be so much easier.

This is why I always say that people that just use these numbers and don't play the job, don't really know what pup can do from what it can't. There was a thread on another site where I was told that pup can't Zerg but I was witness to a well geared pup zerging down Briareus solo. Later I was told that it didn't matter because other jobs can do it too. The point was that a pup did it but because of spreadsheet math I was told it wasn't possible. Plus he did it faster then any job I have seen do it on YouTube or in the zone at the time.

Dem blinkers.

Assuming 4 99hornsong/no rolls/non legion targets where is vere99 compared to kkk99?

A spreadsheet wouldn't tell you whether or not you could handle certain fight mechanics (although in this case Briareus fight mechanics are easy to deal with).

I don't think you're using the word "zerg" right.

I was under the impression that soloing something is not a "zerg" regardless of how quickly it is done.

I honestly didn't mean to start any kind of war or anything here lol. I was mainly just wondering how KKK PUPs do in relations to other jobs (Doesn't have to be with empys or relics or mythics), just in general.

I'm not looking for a zerg weapon or anything, I have my Ragnarok for instances in which ***needs to die ASAP. I don't care if KKK make pups into ungodly DDs or anything, I just wanted to see some parses with KKK pups Damage with other jobs, that's all.

(I saw parses last year that had a Liberator Drk and a Ryu Drg, with wars, sams, drks and etc. I mainly just wanted to see something like this).

Reading this, it just made me realize something I do unconsciously. With KKK, I prefer to have lvl2 aftermath ws at around 280% - 299% if I want my SP have higher dmg. I get better WS numbers with aftermath lvl2, wich gives around 80 - 90 more attack, putting me over 700 attack with WAR sub. Dunno if that is relevant to what u guys are saying.

Kind of, but you gotta be getting more DPS out of AM3. And it might even result in higher WS numbers.

well, you ws at 300% only once, then the others are at 100%, so, there is only once ws with full crit+ from 300% and yea, u get to ws more frequently increasing your DPS but, if I ws for the lvl2 aftermath, the consequent ws's at 100% wile aftermath 2 up, tends to be consistently higher dmg than at 100%, which is what I mean. Wasn't trying to say that I get more DPS with AM2, just saying I get better SP numbers with AM2.

Yeah, I still need math for that though, idk. Anybody mathed this out? I mean an extra couple hits on a crit WS has to average out more than 80 attack, no? Again, I would need a math guy for this assumption, but I would think even your pummel dmg would be higher with AM3 up constantly.

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Just a followup that I doubt anyone cares about anymore, but I played around with PUP sets out of curiosity, and KKK is apparently dramatically overblown outside of the benefits to the automaton

An ~perfect KKK PUP is ~1% ahead of 99 Vere PUP when AM3 cannot be full-timed without penalty(which is exclusive to Voidwatch), and ~6% ahead of 99 Vere when AM3 maintenance is flawless

tl;dr I'd still make one if I could, but 99 Vere is excellent for two jobs, costs substantially less, could be built in a fraction of the time, and is barely inferior

Edit: And PUP barely scrapes by against Ig-Alima level targets in Voidwatch; the job is virtually irrelevant in situations with similar mobs but no atmacites and temporary items to close the gap, so do not make KKK thinking you'll be able to scratch anything in Mul+

does that include any automaton dmg?

inb4 what's automaton dmg.

That's the result that I arrived at when doing high buff comparisons as well. Kenkonken gets a substantial lead on Verth when you use uncapped magic Haste though.

No. Deploy/keeping the automaton alive at all makes you drop like a rock

Uncapped magic haste? -.^

Edit: Derp, read that wrong. Nevermind.

Not relevant for zergs, but at the moment it's pretty relevant for PUPs.