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By Leviathan.Nitenichi 2017-07-13 12:37:46
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Quetzalcoatl.Drkstr said: »
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/22056/gozuki-mezuki
What about some fancy staff action! Bring on the staff builds to revive MNK!
No MND for Chi-Blast builds :(
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By Quetzalcoatl.Drkstr 2017-07-13 12:53:08
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Leviathan.Nitenichi said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Drkstr said: »
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/22056/gozuki-mezuki
What about some fancy staff action! Bring on the staff builds to revive MNK!
No MND for Chi-Blast builds :(

That's true, please forgive me.
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/21152/reikikon
This would assist with that probably much better!
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-07-13 13:11:11
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Quetzalcoatl.Drkstr said: »
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/22056/gozuki-mezuki
What about some fancy staff action! Bring on the staff builds to revive MNK!

I tried.

Seriously, I tried making a staff damage build on WAR, PLD and then MNK. Staff WS's are even worse then H2H ones, no matter what I couldn't get Full Swing, Retribution or Shattersoul to do good damage, their fTP is too low.

Quetzalcoatl.Drkstr said: »
That's true, please forgive me.
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/21152/reikikon
This would assist with that probably much better!

Great staff for Cataclysm which MNK can use to aoe cleave stuff. So that's something...
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By Asura.Avallon 2017-07-13 13:22:34
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That brought back a few memories. Back in the day (2005) when we were regularly camping Tiamat, we used to experiment with MNK's using Full Swing. We moved on from that strat fairly quickly but the damage they did wasn't too bad.

I think Kirin's Pole is what we used for that at full TP.
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2017-07-13 13:25:55
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That and Sneak Attack, yeah. A very lazy adjustment to MNK would be making Boost do something like Sneak Attack. But it would have to be amazing and not require being behind a target to be worth the delay...
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By Asura.Avallon 2017-07-13 13:30:28
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Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »
That and Sneak Attack, yeah. A very lazy adjustment to MNK would be making Boost do something like Sneak Attack. But it would have to be amazing and not require being behind a target to be worth the delay...

Oh right.. I forgot they were MNK/THF. Yeah, that removed a little bit of fog from my memory. :)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Drkstr 2017-07-13 13:54:14
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Drkstr said: »
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/22056/gozuki-mezuki
What about some fancy staff action! Bring on the staff builds to revive MNK!

I tried.

Seriously, I tried making a staff damage build on WAR, PLD and then MNK. Staff WS's are even worse then H2H ones, no matter what I couldn't get Full Swing, Retribution or Shattersoul to do good damage, their fTP is too low.

Quetzalcoatl.Drkstr said: »
That's true, please forgive me.
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/21152/reikikon
This would assist with that probably much better!

Great staff for Cataclysm which MNK can use to aoe cleave stuff. So that's something...


Thats a shame, would have been nice to have some weird usefulness still in there somewhere.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2017-07-13 15:14:24
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Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »
That and Sneak Attack, yeah. A very lazy adjustment to MNK would be making Boost do something like Sneak Attack. But it would have to be amazing and not require being behind a target to be worth the delay...

You could also do a lazy - but potentially effective - Boost update by, say, making it a longer duration effect that buffs WS in some way while the effect is up. Adding a stat mod like Utu grip, added WSD, WS crit rate/dmg, STR, some sort of fTP mod, whatever...

Might require balancing timers, to see whether that effect can be maintained fulltime with minimal JA delay (i.e. don't have to use it for EVERY WS... give it a duration of at least 60 sec), or something like a 3min duration/5min cooldown.

Quetzalcoatl.Drkstr said: »
Thats a shame, would have been nice to have some weird usefulness still in there somewhere.

Elemental WS objectives in Omen, since H2H gets boned there too? :P That and the cleaving applications.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2017-07-13 15:35:46
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Make boost like runs runes

stacks 5 times


every stack =

10% atk and 4% ws dmg with the down side being either -hp% or - def

Let each stack fade every 1 min
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-07-13 15:39:34
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
Elemental WS objectives in Omen, since H2H gets boned there too? :P That and the cleaving applications.

Staff and Club have elemental WS's that MNK could use.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-07-13 15:51:59
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Bismarck.Nickeny said: »
Make boost like runs runes
Only if you keep the epic boost macros.
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By Blazed1979 2017-07-13 17:01:06
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pchan said: »
Do you have something other than opinions to supports this ? I have mnks at rouhly 55% melee 45% ws split.
No, and I was exaggerating for dramatic effect and to poke at how awful mnk is right now. (My victory smites aren't doing anything north of 10k dmg @1000 tp and I use Vere AG and BiS gear according to OP).
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By Odin.Drakenv 2017-07-13 17:42:09
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Blazed1979 said: »
pchan said: »
Do you have something other than opinions to supports this ? I have mnks at rouhly 55% melee 45% ws split.
No, and I was exaggerating for dramatic effect and to poke at how awful mnk is right now. (My victory smites aren't doing anything north of 10k dmg @1000 tp and I use Vere AG and BiS gear according to OP).
I heard the reason SE is not fixing monk is because no one plays them anymore :(
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By Blazed1979 2017-07-13 17:43:37
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Who knows why SE does what it does?
Quantum physics is easier to understand.
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By Odin.Drakenv 2017-07-13 18:45:35
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Blazed1979 said: »
Who knows why SE does what it does?
Quantum physics is easier to understand.
It's fake news!
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2017-07-14 00:50:11
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
Elemental WS objectives in Omen, since H2H gets boned there too? :P That and the cleaving applications.

Staff and Club have elemental WS's that MNK could use.

Yeah, that was my point. He was saying he wished staff had a use, and that's a use. It's still kinda BS that most jobs don't need to switch to an otherwise inferior weapon to hit an elemental WS though.
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By pchan 2017-07-14 01:00:19
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raging fists setups (did not optimise ws gear but ..) come all greatly inferior to vicotrysmite @100 tp setups, execpt for godhands where it's slightly inferior. Didn't check howling fists, it's ***. ftp is not the only thing that matters for WS...
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By Bismarck.Gippali 2017-07-14 11:04:33
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Quetzalcoatl.Langly said: »
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pChan, where did you snag your mob stats from? And which iLevel target do they correlate to?

Outside of the "Ultra Setup" you have, are you assuming capped fSTR on all other targets?

~ty


Just put this here again since it seems rather relevant to what you just posted.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-07-14 12:03:27
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pchan said: »
did not optimise ws gear

RF use's a radically different gear setup then VS due to WSD scaling on first hit, assuming God Hands anyway. Still it's really for when you've ended up Over TPing due to a MA proc when you were sitting close to 1000 since VS has ***TP scaling.
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By pchan 2017-07-14 13:37:40
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Radically different ? All you have to do is not bother about crit and all gear commes with str/dex together anyway. Weaponskill damage + and gorget are gimp, if that's what you were suggesting.


For mob stats It's written in my simulation, I assume capped ddex and fstr because there is no info. I checked the level 124 mob def/eva and I guessed higher level mobs stats this way. I don't put level correction either because I don't know how ilevel affects the DPS.
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-07-14 14:09:49
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It's 2017 and people still argue about MNK-stuff with pchan.
It's nice to see how some things never seem to change :3
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2017-07-14 14:11:48
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except now it literally doesn't matter because dead job
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-07-15 20:44:28
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I remember sometimes ago there was an error in Howling Fist mods.
Was this tested thoroughfully? I don't remember the outcome.
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By Blazed1979 2017-07-16 01:26:06
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Asura.Sechs said: »
It's 2017 and people still argue about MNK-stuff with pchan.
I know right, feel the nostalgia!
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2017-07-16 07:06:03
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Blazed1979 said: »
Asura.Sechs said: »
It's 2017 and people still argue about MNK-stuff with pchan.
I know right, feel the nostalgia!

OMG, Pchan is part of the Vana'diel campaign!
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By Blazed1979 2017-07-16 09:41:45
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Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »
OMG, Pchan is part of the Vana'diel campaign!
+1, I chuckled at work.
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-07-17 01:36:24
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Asura.Sechs said: »
I remember sometimes ago there was an error in Howling Fist mods.
Was this tested thoroughfully? I don't remember the outcome.
Bumpo this. Are the info currently on wiki (VIT/STR mods) correct?


Also out of curiosity, what do you people use Anchorite's Gaiters +3 for, other than TP?
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By Seralonde 2017-07-17 02:38:46
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a) Macro it in for dodge.
b) Wear them while footwork is up. (Fun to see the kicks do more
damage, but imo gimps your overall damage.

There are better shoes to WS and TP in. I would say these are definitely the worst piece in the set.

As for your inquiry about HF, yes it is str/vit.
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-07-17 04:08:28
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Actually if you read the previous pages, Anchorite+3 feet come up as BiS in not all, but many situations for MNK.
Things gonna be even better when reforged Empy legs come out, granted that won't happen for a long time.

Not saying Perf Herculean feet sucks or that there aren't other valid options, but Anchorite+3 can be much better than you're picturing them off. Go read the tests some pages ago, think they were made by Byrth and Ramzus.


I just couldn't find any other valid use for them other than TPing (and the obvious swap for lolDodge of course). The stats on them are pretty meh compared to most other WS options.
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By Asura.Azagarth 2017-07-17 13:00:16
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ya I had kicked around the idea of the feet, past pages show them as good, however its so minimal the gain over herc feet that they would come 2nd to last to upgrade for me, last being legs.

This is my thought progression on what is best to upgrade to +3 for dps gains: hands>body>head>feet>legs. Does this seem about right? Plus I am realistically thinking you could probably stop at head, as feet/legs arent really worth doing at all? Or what are your thoughts? I got 80~ cards so trying to decide if I am about done in omen on mnk or to go for the full 5/5.
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