PS3 Limitations

Here's the thing about this thread. SE doesn't give a *** about limitations. Know what they care about? Money. Money. Lemme say it again; money. PCs will ALWAYS be more technologically and graphically advanced than a console if you're willing to shell out the dollars for it. Anyone who argues, go kill yourself.

Console limitations will happen. Not now, but in five years, sure. I doubt the peak of 360/PS3 graphical capability has been reached just yet, so minor tweaks ARE possible. Then again, this IS over a year from now. SE doesn't care though. If it's on PC, PS3 AND 360? People will buy it. More people than just on one system. And it's relatively inexpensive to port over considering the money back. SE wants money, limitations or not.

bah, my post vanished. Long post short: Berserker is a fanboy, but he made one good point:



Graphically speaking, the PS3 and 360 are both capable of playing the best games in existence today, (mildly debateable, but while FFXIV will probably be very pretty, it won't have ground-breaking graphics) and will certainly be good enough for FFXIV when it comes out.

Now, how many games have you heard of - MMO or otherwise - that have enhanced their graphics after they were released? FFXIV won't update the graphics after it's released, while it might nice in 5-6 years when they're starting to feel a little out-dated, it still just won't be a cost effective process (read: pointless).

Assuming I'm correct, that pretty much eliminates the graphical aspect of this whole thread. So that leaves us with what? Inventory limitations? I highly doubt the PS3 or 360 will be holding us back at all where inventory is concerned...

So yeah, discussion over?

PS2 unlike the PS3 was only slightly more powerful than one console system (Xbox) of its generation while less powerful than the other console system if its generation (Gamecube). The PS3 is more than twice as powerful as the Xbox 360 and the Wii put together.



The PS3 can easily last more than 10 years as it stands.



Nope, no current PC build is capable of handling +3.2ghz~4ghz XDR RAM like the PS3 is, and except for ultra high-end uses (eg. military and government application), no one has built anything harnessing the Cell Broadband Engine or XDR RAM either.



Try 2017.



While the PS3 is still in its infancy stage, it's 2nd generation of video games are already on the same level as what looks to be X360's final generation.



256MB XDR RAM is far faster than any other RAM. There are no RAM limitations compared to any high-end PC builds. The only limiting problem are game designers unable to code specifically to take advantage of the XDR memory.



Actually, the PS3 being more powerful than any high-end computer 3-7 years later pretty much is groundbreaking.

Not to mention the PS3 is the only system capable of displaying what's known as the 4D-Graphics concept at a relevant speed, and that's made possible because of the Cell Broadband Engine and XDR memory.



Instead of trolling the PS3, try educating yourself.



With a PS3, you can hack into any nuclear silo mainframe and launch a ICBM. Not kidding, that was actually released by a military expert prior to the PS3's release. Just the article was quickly deleted a few days later.

Unless manufacturers decide to start manufacturing computers to use and take advantage of XDR memory and the Cell Broadband Engine like right now, the PS3 does have until around 2017 before it'll be considered obsolete by computer standards. With how it stands right now, it won't be a cheap option to either produce or mass-produce, hence why such technology is only being used in supercomputer-esque builds to begin with.

The Blu-Ray disc is able to hold between 25~50GB PER LAYER, turning up at 200GB maximum. The PS3 can read all 4 layers.

I like that this line was the last thing in this thread for for 47 days, should have lasted longer though.

Ahh... >,< My apologies, was on the 1st page in the general forum.

As for the last post you made, well even with current graphics, I've yet to find a MMORPG with as realistic graphics as FFXI has.

The PS2 was supposed to do it too. It was classified as a military weapon when it got released in 2000 in Japan. Strict export control etc...

They rumored the PS2 to just be able to hack and share information I think. lol

You also heard it here first - the PS4 is capable of hacking into satellites and making them crash into the Earth's atmosphere to cause an EMP.

Nope, Iraq imported 4,000 PS2 and the US was worried about Iraq to link console together in order to produce a super computer that would be able to be used for operating chemical missiles. Yeah sounds like a shitty movie scenario, however it was real lol :<

UK intelligence agencies dismissed this assumption relatively soon after tho :p

Prolly 'cause they realised that the cheapest pc you could buy at the same time it was released was more than capable of doing that ***already.

Hmmm... I remember inventing a headline about the US sending thousands of PS2s in hopes of making the Iraqis giving up fighting after seeing the light of the sinful PS2.

Well Iraq ain't allowed to import computer that's why :) Linking 15-20 PS2 together was the only viable alternative :p PS2 chip could reach 6.2 GFLOPS (sp) which was huge at the time.

Athlon 1GHz chip which was released 2 days after the PS2 was way slower. To get something equivalent in term of "raw" power, you had to wait for the Pentium 4 @~2.0GHz which could reach 8 GFLOPS (sp), but that was released years after.

Antipika, they sent men to the moon with a computer the power of a 486 (or something). Why the *** people think you need a super advanced computer to do something a 20 year old graphics calculator can do is beyond me.

We'll rever really know for sure... lol

It was so easy to manipulate people with television because it was new, people would believe whatever TV could show them. Not saying it didn't happen, but it's pretty hard to believe when you think back about it hehehe

Woo, from fanboyism to government conspiracies in 4 pages.

Can this thread die now please?

There will always be someone to remember us how PS3 > us all

The PS3 contains 8 CPUs of 3.2Ghz each. No affordable/commercial PC motherboard has gone that far yet. Out of the 8, one is dedicated to the OS and unavailable to programmers, and 1 is turned off by default, as a backup in case one of the cores has a malfunction (something like that).

Sure, in a few years, PCs will be just as powerful and eventually they'll become more powerful. And then someday, there will be gaming consoles that will require videocard upgrades in order to run new games. And that will change the way we view a gaming PC versus a gaming console, because they'll be too similar.

But few people realize how useless excessive CPU power is nowadays. Unless you need to do calculations, uncompressed video editing, 3D rendering, and things like this, you can surf the web with a 15 years old 486 and Linux. To create and maintain an artificial sense for a need of more power, commercial OSs like Windows are made to suck ridiculous ammounts of computer ressources, in order to artificially justify buying new computers each year.

At the present time, game programmers simply have no idea what to do with the power of the PS3 cell broadband, and because the Xbox is selling so well (and because it has access to more VRAM) since it's shared), its self defeating to spend millions into making a revolutionary game that will only run on PS3 because it's simply more complicated to develop and it can't be ported to other consoles while making the game be like it was intended to be (FF13 anyone? look at the first demo videos from 4 years ago, and tell me if the new stuff looks anything like it -_-).

A CPU capable of processing Gigaflops of data doesn't mean good games will come out of it, it just means new possibilities, and unless a company decides to pioneer it, technology will never have much use. SE in the past, did push technology a lot, and did miracles with the PS1 and SNES. This is pretty much why they are so rich as we speak now, they innovated and pushed consoles to their very limit, they used to fricken dominate.

Just for fun... think back about how ridiculously superior the N64 hardware was compared to what the first PlayStation or even Saturn had inside... But that didn't automaticaly make the N64 a better console in terms of good games being released for it (the system was built 100% with Mario 64 in mind and that pretty much made it impossible to work with for developpers, Nintendo were stupid to design an entire video game console to run ONE SINGLE FRICKEN GAME beautifuly).

The N64 had Z buffering and mip map interpolation, antialias and other sh*ts that most videocards didn't even have back then, FFS it was released in 1996 and costed 200$!!! But that didn't save it, it had other stupid limitations that killed it and programmers quickly gave up because developping for it was not profitable.

The PS1, while shitty on a processing-power standpoint, won the console war for the exact same reason the Wii is currently making Nintendo rich (Nintendo realized just a few years ago that to win the war you must have the weakest console). The weakest console has always dominated, it's ironic, but its true since the past 25 years. Even nowadays, people don't realize how incredibly shitty and low quality the PS1 hardware was (or even NES). They think it was awesome... lol (what publicity does to people)

I wonder if one day this will be in my kids history books (or if they'll be sponsored by Microsoft).

For accurate simulation mostly. The most powerful super computer we have in France is used for that purpose at least, nuclear fusion simulation. Japan is also building a new one for the very same purpose.

Pretty sure simulating nuclear fusion isn't the same as launching a rocket. If a 10 year old can fly a remote controlled plane, then a cheap *** computer can aim a rocket.

Well at this rate we could say : German was able to reach Paris with artillery during WW2 and they had no computer :s Sure you can, how efficient it will be ? Egyptians built pyramids that lasted more than 5000 years, and they had no computer :d Now GL building some tower without using a single computer :p

Yeah, I know what you're saying, but my point was that there was this whole issue about PS2 being powerful enough to launch a nuke, but what everyone seemed to fail to realise, was that it really doesn't take much power to do this. Besides, I'm pretty sure that anyone that can get their hands on a war head or a chemical missile or wtf ever can get their hands on the technology to throw the damn thing at another country.

Basically, the whole thing was just stupid Americans being paranoid about terrorists, when in the end, the biggest terrorist attack that the US has ever faced came from 4 guys with box cutters, go figure.

Anyway, Antipika, this isn't aimed at you, but this thread is fail.

The future of gaming on a cheap computer. No need to buy expensive console or computer

I dont get why some people complain about Besieged and Xbox360 xD

FFXI on XBOX360 is also emulated, thats why it doesnt always run smooth in events like dynamis/einherjar/besieged.

xbox360 can normally handle easily such quantity of character models/monster etc.

I think, SE will make it better this time with their new Engine "CrystalTool". FFXIV wont be emulated for sure... they will max out performance and keep stable FPS for xbox/ps3.

Just an example with Splinter Cell Double Agent: It is available for PS3 and PS3: on the ps2, the graphics are more worst than on the ps3, of course xD.

But making such a discussion/speculation isnt very effective until SE will tell us the hardware requirements. I think, it will come also out for xbox360, since FF13 (same engine) is also for xbox.

hmmm

go away fanboys

Streaming is also available on the PS3.

As I play FFXI on my Xbox 360 version (PC won't even let me play due to network conflicts of some ***, and even playing PS2-version on a PS3 is pathetic), I myself no longer bother doing besieged because it'll freeze my 360 up every time, IMO not because of MS but cause of SE.

Yeah and if GCHQ tell you it's *** it probably is. I remember reading an interview with some high up at NASA who had been to GCHQ. He said the computers at GCHQ made NASA's look obsolete.