Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This thread went from guys whining about guys making women's healthcare issues their business to something more expansive. Oh, AH! You never fail me.
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: » This thread went from guys whining about guys making women's healthcare issues their business to something more expansive. Oh, AH! You never fail me. Chakstealandbot said: » Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Socialized health care programs, which most first-world countries have, are some of the most highly regarded government systems out there. To flat out say its not doable is a bit ignorant. Of course we would want to be concerned that it was implemented in a way that suits the American way of life and is not wasteful/overly bureaucratic. But we have the luxury of examining other such systems to come up with the best healthcare model we can. these first-world countries are in economic turmoil as well. Caitsith.Sai said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » I never said the government should be completely dissolved nor completely powerless. We do need a federal government for things like the armed services which have a proven record of exceptional performance (that doesn't mean they are without fault either). However as someone said earlier, the idea of a un-corruptible politician isn't a reality. So it should keep out of our daily lives as much as possible. If you take the profit out of medicine you're going to have shittier doctors. I hate to break it to you but in addition to helping out the sick, most people become doctors because doctors make a ton of money. You cannot eliminate the drive for wealth from the human species. Everyone realizes that corporations are just as corrupt and perverted as governments are right? the difference is they can be held accountable a little easier Yes, by the government, hence regulation, hence not 100% capitalism. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Capitalism brings us things like the IPAD, products that are ONLY made in the search for profits, we are all better off from that search. Government brings us things like the post office, loosing millions of dollars a day. Greed/self interest is GOOD. 'Greed is good' until a corporation *** up your water supply and causes you to become sick which leads to hundreds of thousands in medical bills you can't pay because the very sickness has caused you to be unable to work. Guess you just weren't responsible enough huh? Government oversight is needed as much as corporations are. Your thoughts seek to sell this country down the river on the faith that companies will 'do the right thing' when without proper oversight it is all but certain that the poor will be driven into the ground and a select few will become fabulously wealthy on the backs of others. Another thing I've noticed is that you constantly point out things like the post office or the EPA when military spending is in the stratosphere. Do you propose also significantly shrinking military spending or are you going to say that we need it for defense? Caitsith.Sai said: » Chakstealandbot said: » Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Socialized health care programs, which most first-world countries have, are some of the most highly regarded government systems out there. To flat out say its not doable is a bit ignorant. Of course we would want to be concerned that it was implemented in a way that suits the American way of life and is not wasteful/overly bureaucratic. But we have the luxury of examining other such systems to come up with the best healthcare model we can. these first-world countries are in economic turmoil as well. Caitsith.Sai said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » I never said the government should be completely dissolved nor completely powerless. We do need a federal government for things like the armed services which have a proven record of exceptional performance (that doesn't mean they are without fault either). However as someone said earlier, the idea of a un-corruptible politician isn't a reality. So it should keep out of our daily lives as much as possible. If you take the profit out of medicine you're going to have shittier doctors. I hate to break it to you but in addition to helping out the sick, most people become doctors because doctors make a ton of money. You cannot eliminate the drive for wealth from the human species. Everyone realizes that corporations are just as corrupt and perverted as governments are right? the difference is they can be held accountable a little easier Yes, by the government, hence regulation, hence not 100% capitalism. You have no other choice when a single innovative corporation annihilates the competition and creates a massive monopoly.
Cerberus.Tikal said: » You have no other choice when a single innovative corporation annihilates the competition and creates a massive monopoly. And examples of that are where? I don't see anyone here advocating for the abolishing of anti-monopoly laws. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Cerberus.Tikal said: » You have no other choice when a single innovative corporation annihilates the competition and creates a massive monopoly. And examples of that are where? I don't see anyone here advocating for the abolishing of anti-monopoly laws. Unless that wasn't you that said they wanted that but I don't care that much anymore. Artemicion said: » While the whole affordability of things will forever be up for debate; I would certainly blame at least some of the irresponsibility of consumers (especially those on EBT) is a general lack of education. Luckily the First Lady has done a rather good job of helping reach out and offering alternatives and solutions to getting out of the junk food rut. Unfortunately, where price isn't going to conflict, there's always the lack of education in combination with the poor practice of policies which fund said irresponsibility. There's many variables and points that need to be tackled to help shape up the eating habits of America. Price and food sources are just few of the many. And the education can only come if the obstructionists stand aside and let those with the credentials get into the classroom and attempt to teach children the boons of eating healthy and staying in shape. How many people have bashed Michelle Obama because she tried to get kids to put down the gummy bears and eat apple slices instead? Her initiatives for healthier school lunches are absolutely on point, bipartisan and are in the best interest for our country yet at every turn we've had people pick the issue apart, label her a socialist and declare that people should be left to their own devices which are poor choices they might never be able to correct because they were never educated properly. Just because you're born poor you should be abandoned by society because your parents didn't know any better? Ridiculous. The argument that people 'don't want to learn' holds no water either as all that matters is that individuals get a choice to accept a healthy lifestyle and you best believe that some people will make that choice to get off processed food and pursue healthier diets. I hold no delusions of grandeur that education will be panacea but I do know this: ignorance is the path to destruction. How many layfolk knew about trans fat before public campaigns to get the word out? How about partially hydrogenated soybean oil? Polyunsaturated fats? Pink slime? Do people really think the companies that use these ingredients were going to suddenly explain to their consumers that their favorite granola bars actually use trans fat which amounts to a fat grenade when consumed? How about explaining what exactly 'mechanically separated chicken' is? Yeah, I'm sure that'd go over well. I'm not saying that these products and companies should be forbidden from using these ingredients but seriously education is king and it absolutely sickens me when we can't even agree in this country that obfuscating what goes into our food is wrong. The same arguments can be made on topics of sex education and education in general (hi creationists). Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Cerberus.Tikal said: » You have no other choice when a single innovative corporation annihilates the competition and creates a massive monopoly. And examples of that are where? I don't see anyone here advocating for the abolishing of anti-monopoly laws. Those examples dont exist because we have gov oversight and anti-monopoly laws. Consumers would not be able to enforce such laws on their own. Especially when said business is providing essentials. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Cerberus.Tikal said: » You have no other choice when a single innovative corporation annihilates the competition and creates a massive monopoly. And examples of that are where? I don't see anyone here advocating for the abolishing of anti-monopoly laws. How long do you think that'd last at this rate? Banks: ![]() Cell phone companies follow a similar pattern. You're my hero for today Sparthosx. I just wanted to share that with you.
Ragnarok.Nausi said: » I have no other choice when things are run by the government. What several people are reiterating, your premise: "government is bad" is faulty rhetoric. If your concern is choice and quality of care in a government-run health care system, instead of stating, "It's going to be bad, and therefore I don't want it," perhaps you should rather express your concerns positively, "(If we must have a government run health system) I would like government-run health care system that still provides me choice and access to quality care." Advocate for a system where: Ragnarok.Nausi said: » If I don't like the service i'm getting I can bring my money to someone else. It's our government; we are the bakers. We can have our cake and eat it, too. That figure is pretty disturbing ._.
Cerberus.Tikal said: » You're my hero for today Sparthosx. I just wanted to share that with you. Just stating how I feel on this topic. there's benefits and drawbacks of that bank diagram, like more atm locations, they have more money for loans, but there should be ways to get both of those things without complete mergers imo.
Jetackuu said: » there's benefits and drawbacks of that bank diagram, like more atm locations, they have more money for loans, but there should be ways to get both of those things without complete mergers imo. Convenience is well and good until you realize the options for banks are narrowing and the fees, tricks and overall abuse of customers is skyrocketing. Withdraw your money after 9PM? Slap a fee on that ***. Printed a receipt twice? Surcharge. Less options is never a good thing in the long run. Large corporations hijacking elected officials with cries of more and more deregulation will eventually lead to a populace devoid of options and funneled into the one or two megabanks that survive the mergers. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Jetackuu said: » there's benefits and drawbacks of that bank diagram, like more atm locations, they have more money for loans, but there should be ways to get both of those things without complete mergers imo. Convenience is well and good until you realize the options for banks are narrowing and the fees, tricks and overall abuse of customers is skyrocketing. Withdraw your money after 9PM? Slap a fee on that ***. Printed a receipt twice? Surcharge. Less options is never a good thing in the long run. I don't have either of those charges but I can see them. Oh 100% competition will create innovation, cell phone, internet and power companies need to have more. Cerberus.Pleebo said: » That figure is pretty disturbing ._. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Cerberus.Pleebo said: » That figure is pretty disturbing ._. are you seriously going to *** about the DMV? what do you propose they do? privatize it? what's next you want privatization of all jails (lol) and courts too? Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Cerberus.Tikal said: » You have no other choice when a single innovative corporation annihilates the competition and creates a massive monopoly. And examples of that are where? I don't see anyone here advocating for the abolishing of anti-monopoly laws. How long do you think that'd last at this rate? Banks: ![]() My bank isn't on there, because it's privately owned. First Place Bank is only in Ohio and Michigan. Also my cable company isn't a big one either. Monopolies are illegal and so is cooperating with each other. This whole there is no innovation in the private sector because it's all owned by a few big companies is such BS. Everything in just about every sector gets bigger and better every year because each company is trying to out do each other. If this were true, everyone would still have a first generation iPod and iPhone. Give me a break. there really isn't much innovation, the it field is different as that's worldwide, but anything that's strictly in the us, nope.
the ipad is still a joke and there's numerous tablets that are better... also it's not always about innovation but a lot to do with services offered and prices. also: all those banks are privately owned... you're right monopolies are illegal and yet they're still allowed to exist. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Jetackuu said: » there's benefits and drawbacks of that bank diagram, like more atm locations, they have more money for loans, but there should be ways to get both of those things without complete mergers imo. Convenience is well and good until you realize the options for banks are narrowing and the fees, tricks and overall abuse of customers is skyrocketing. Withdraw your money after 9PM? Slap a fee on that ***. Printed a receipt twice? Surcharge. Less options is never a good thing in the long run. Large corporations hijacking elected officials with cries of more and more deregulation will eventually lead to a populace devoid of options and funneled into the one or two megabanks that survive the mergers. |
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