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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-01 02:04:21
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(Why do people delete the first post of a thread?)

All of the attack options will win if you need the attack, and if you don't you can gradually switch them in the order of waist, neck, hands.
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By Valefor.Rancor 2012-04-01 03:12:33
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came here thinking SS = Stoneskin...
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-01 03:14:45
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Valefor.Rancor said: »
came here thinking SS = Stoneskin...
Stone gorget, stone mufflers, siegel sash.
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By Valefor.Rancor 2012-04-01 03:27:15
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Valefor.Rancor said: »
came here thinking SS = Stoneskin...
Stone gorget, stone mufflers, siegel sash.

I know >.>
But FFXI doesnt have room for 2 SS! D: and Stoneskin was here 1st >:O
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2012-04-01 03:36:44
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Screenshot is the original SS :(
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-04-01 04:07:36
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Phoenix.Kirana said: »
Screenshot is the original SS :(

belt doesnt matter
hands Usukane looks best imo
neck doesnt matter
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By Valefor.Monkeynutz 2012-04-01 04:08:29
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I'm pretty sure the massive amount of attack on prosilio beats 10 DEX for SS, but it sort of depends on your overall build. Obviously too attack centric is no good, but 29 attack in a single slot is probably going to win, though the -5 DA is annoying. If anything when I switched to this piece (the remainder of my gear is not as good) I noticed higher and more consistent numbers. I don't have anything in particular to say about the other slots, except that I seem to recall some new gear that looked good for hands, but otherwise I think people tend to go with melee +2 because it's a great attack boost and unmatched accuracy boost. For neck, well it would be between those two I think. I read somewhere that in a balanced setup 1 DEX will give similar returns as 1.5 attack, but I'm a bit dubious. All the same it seems to work ok. I go with attack on neck because 6 DEX is the most you can get there at the moment and it doesn't feel like a lot to me.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-04-01 04:35:24
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Prosilio wont won.
In build that favors Prosilio (3%QA 3%TA 27%DA)

30 att is something like 3.3%
9STR is someting like +0.7% (assuming you doesnt cap fstr before adding this STR)
-5%DA is something like -1,5%
total: +2.5%

Artful+1 is someting like 2.9-3.3% (depends of rounding)

and by "something like" I mean that I rounded up value like 3.3333% to 3.3%
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-01 04:40:47
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what

where are you getting these numbers?
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-04-01 04:48:28
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Would be easier if you could say me which ones you found suspicious.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-01 04:49:30
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All of them.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-04-01 05:16:30
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
All of them.

Really?
Im pretty sure you mean att particularly because rest of tem are pretty easy to figure out.

Its really hard to actually count the att gain if you dont know what you are fighting.

Beside legion you will ave something like 1100 att probably facing enemy with 600 def. It will be probably 10lv higher than you so -0.5 to pDIF

1100/600 - 0.5 = 1.33
1130/600 - 0.5 - 1.38

Thats 3.75% so I was a little off but I also havent counted that for mobs like that your acc might not be capped and 10DEX is +5acc so Artful will win even more.

Prosilio could win when facing some really high def and really high lvl mob on which you cap accuracy. Personally I havent seen much of those.

For mobs in ie. Dynamis when your att is not boosted with temps/buffs and you doesnt cap cRatio sometimes, the situation wont change much because maybe your att is lower but there is no lvl corraction since those mobs are lower lvl and its actually even more in favor of Arftul+1
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-01 06:34:30
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First of all, you listed 3% QA, meaning you're WSing in Thaumas Coat which is already a bad start. 27% (22% Prosilio) DA and 6% TA since you'd be using Ocelomeh +1 and Toci's Harness.


Even with level 109 mob and 600 defense, prosilio would win anytime you aren't capped on attack.



Taru MNK/WAR with red curries: 154 DEX, 141 STR, 1004 attack, 27% DA, 6% TA with artful +1.

Taru MNK/WAR with red curries: 144 DEX, 150 STR, 1044 attack, 22% DA, 3% TA with Prosilio.

1004/600 - .5 = 1.1733
1044/600 - .5 = 1.2400

Well that's already 5% difference for prosilio, not 3.75%.

Will cap fSTR for both so it's less in favor of prosilio.

((99+13+130)*5.0625)*1.1733 = 1437

((99+13+122)*5.0625)*1.2400 = 1468

(242*6.0625)*1.1733 = 1721
(234*6.0625)*1.2400 = 1759

(242*7.0625)*1.1733 = 2005
(234*7.0625)*1.2400 = 2049

(242*8.0625)*1.1733 = 2289
(234*8.0625)*1.2400 = 2339

(2289*.0036)+(2289*.0152)+(2005*.0412)+(2289*.0152)+(2005*.0644)+(1721*.1742)+(2005*.0412)+(1721*.1742)+(1437*.4709)= 1648 for artful +1

(2339*.0036)+(2339*.0124)+(2049*.0440)+(2339*.0124)+(2049*.0428)+(1759*.1516)+(2049*.0440)+(1759*.1516)+(1468*.5376) = 1656 for prosilio.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-04-01 07:34:44
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Meh I wrote long post and it all got deleted so long story short your numbers are so close that it really depends what buffs/debuffs and mob's stats you will use for calculation.

Its also highly unlikely to be uncapped on att and capped on acc in VW imo in which case 5acc from artful is significant. Im not sure about Legion but its probably the same there.

I doubt there is one best set for everything but for uncapped att/acc I would probably use something like this:

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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-01 07:43:58
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I'd replace gorget with justiciar's, artful +1 with anguinus, and eat pizza if my acc was that god-awful.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-04-01 07:57:23
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
I'd replace gorget with justiciar's, artful +1 with anguinus, and eat pizza if my acc was that god-awful.

Seeing how close is 10 dex from Artful+1 to 29att from Prosilio I really doubt 32att(from justiciar+anguinus) could win over 10dex and +0.1 "fTP"(from gorget and arftul+1).
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-01 07:58:28
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32 Attack and 6% DA.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-04-01 08:12:18
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
32 Attack and 6% DA.

Which pretty much means the same situation like artful+1 vs Prosilio. Difference is so small that which win will depends of what buffs/debuffs/mob are used for calculation.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-01 08:28:47
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Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
32 Attack and 6% DA.

Which pretty much means the same situation like artful+1 vs Prosilio. Difference is so small that which win will depends of what buffs/debuffs/mob are used for calculation.
Is your attack capped? No: Use anguinus/prosilio based on acc needs.
Is your attack capped? Yes: Use artful+1.

That easy enough to understand then?
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By Sylph.Knala 2012-04-01 09:33:31
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oh wait it wasnt snap shot? no wonder i was confused, mnk's shouldn't be trying to shoot fists in the first place.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-04-01 11:14:56
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
32 Attack and 6% DA.

Which pretty much means the same situation like artful+1 vs Prosilio. Difference is so small that which win will depends of what buffs/debuffs/mob are used for calculation.
Is your attack capped? No: Use anguinus/prosilio based on acc needs.
Is your attack capped? Yes: Use artful+1.

That easy enough to understand then?

Its not that easy but I know you are trying to look super cool so I wont bother you ;)
 
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By Fupafighters 2012-04-01 11:34:08
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It's not hard to carry 1 extra belt lol. Be efficient.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-04-01 11:39:37
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Fupafighters said: »
It's not hard to carry 1 extra belt lol. Be efficient.

That was directed to me? If yes, then its not about extra belt. Simply saying that Presilio/Anguinus are best for uncapped attack is just wrong.

Its only true when there is:
a) enough lvl correction
b) enough +att% buffs
Which means its very hard to tell.

For example on dynamis mobs /dnc for uncapped att Prosilio/Anguinus wont be best because there is no lvl correction and no +att% buffs.
The same is probably true for NeoNyzulIsle mobs(not bosses).

Like you see those arent some weird examples but actually two instances when Spharai Shijin MNK is one of the best options.

I believe Legion would be the event when Prosilio/Anguinus would pull ahead. Also some VW mobs but in VW with all the buffs and debuffs its really hard to be uncapped on cRatio for Shijin with Spahrai. Its possible tho when fight is long enough to Berserk/Impetus goes down or you have no cor in the PT.
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