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[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades
[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades
unless its only collect 1, this trial is going to be redonk.
if i'm going to put up with crazy hard trials i might as well build a mythic.
if i'm going to put up with crazy hard trials i might as well build a mythic.
Since I have never bothered to make an account on the official forums, and I read that they are saying 'because people have already collected items' that they cannot possibly change the trial now....
Why don't they make the items trade in for more kills. Say one item = 5 kills and you need 50 total.. so 10 items OR 50 kills.. or some combination of the two (trading in the item and kills)
Sorry if this has been said before.
Why don't they make the items trade in for more kills. Say one item = 5 kills and you need 50 total.. so 10 items OR 50 kills.. or some combination of the two (trading in the item and kills)
Sorry if this has been said before.
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Bahamut.Charlot said: »
Since I have never bothered to make an account on the official forums, and I read that they are saying 'because people have already collected items' that they cannot possibly change the trial now....
Why don't they make the items trade in for more kills. Say one item = 5 kills and you need 50 total.. so 10 items OR 50 kills.. or some combination of the two (trading in the item and kills)
Sorry if this has been said before.
Why don't they make the items trade in for more kills. Say one item = 5 kills and you need 50 total.. so 10 items OR 50 kills.. or some combination of the two (trading in the item and kills)
Sorry if this has been said before.
That might actually make sense so se cant do it, no reason they cant just let ppl trade w/e theyve collected so far to put towards the trial. Also i think theyre just using it as a excuse to not change it.
Official forums look like this in response to the recent announcement:
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Bismarck.Gaspee said: »
Official forums look like this in response to the recent announcement:
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Bismarck.Gaspee said: »
Official forums look like this in response to the recent announcement:
Here is a glimpse:
SE's payment system wouldn't let me reactivate yesterday, and I'm actually glad.
I cannot believe the responses I'm reading. Feedback is only responded to with a "this is not how we want to do things, so deal with it."
So you know what, guys? Forget it. I'm not giving the devs money to be completely incompetent and to ignore paying customers.
I'm done.
I cannot believe the responses I'm reading. Feedback is only responded to with a "this is not how we want to do things, so deal with it."
So you know what, guys? Forget it. I'm not giving the devs money to be completely incompetent and to ignore paying customers.
I'm done.
Great Crystenne, does that mean we will not be reading your constant complaints anymore? Have a wonderful life.
Cerberus.Ultimatrunks said: »
Great Crystenne, does that mean we will not be reading your constant complaints anymore? Have a wonderful life.
Can you really agree with the ***SE has been doing lately? lol
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Sylph.Kimble said: »
Cerberus.Ultimatrunks said: »
Great Crystenne, does that mean we will not be reading your constant complaints anymore? Have a wonderful life.
Can you really agree with the ***SE has been doing lately? lol
I did not say that, but having every Dev post be followed by a 10 page rant by people repeating the same over and over again is just tiring. Keep the feedback to the official forums, where they might actually read it. I would much rather read debates here, with >ARGUMENTS< which do not involve "I really, I mean REALLY, do not like this"-only.
Also, 360days for 18 members. Does anyone remember who long a base relic took in the old dynamis, level 75 cap, with maybe 20 members, doing AF and not farm runs? Like, the really oldschool relics? 360days for 1-2 relics?
I think it would be annoying, but bearable. It is the final trial, after all.
Noone forces you to do it.
But all of these arguments have been named.
In the end, it always depends on why you play the game and what you expect from it. Those intentions may vary greatly.
If you are frustrated about it, make a blog or a separate thread from Kalilas, so us, who do not mind those updates, do not have to read about the rants each time.
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Cerberus.Ultimatrunks said: »
Sylph.Kimble said: »
Cerberus.Ultimatrunks said: »
Great Crystenne, does that mean we will not be reading your constant complaints anymore? Have a wonderful life.
Can you really agree with the ***SE has been doing lately? lol
I did not say that, but having every Dev post be followed by a 10 page rant by people repeating the same over and over again is just tiring. Keep the feedback to the official forums, where they might actually read it. I would much rather read debates here, with >ARGUMENTS< which do not involve "I really, I mean REALLY, do not like this"-only.
Also, 360days for 18 members. Does anyone remember who long a base relic took in the old dynamis, level 75 cap, with maybe 20 members, doing AF and not farm runs? Like, the really oldschool relics? 360days for 1-2 relics?
I think it would be annoying, but bearable. It is the final trial, after all.
Noone forces you to do it.
But all of these arguments have been named.
In the end, it always depends on why you play the game and what you expect from it. Those intentions may vary greatly.
If you are frustrated about it, make a blog or a separate thread from Kalilas, so us, who do not mind those updates, do not have to read about the rants each time.
If you really don't care to read what people have to say, just read the first post with the update info, then stop reading.
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Cerberus.Ultimatrunks said: »
Great Crystenne, does that mean we will not be reading your constant complaints anymore? Have a wonderful life.
What a sarcastically constructive comment. Considering the reactions of the playerbase to the last couple of responses, is my complaining unfounded or are you just complaining about complaining?
I've just decided to talk with my wallet. We have differing opinions. Deal with it.
Reading on expecting discussions, not complaint rants. What is your point exactily?
So you think it is justified for people to keep on complaining over days, weeks, months on forums?
Also Crystenne, I never said it was unfounded, I simply said I remember your name from about 20 posts so far in which you solely complained.
You should keep in mind that QQs are a buzzkill to whoever begs to differ and to those who do not, it is only a way of "enraging each other". Healthy?
And you say we have different opinions. That was exactily my point. I respect your opinion, but that does not mean you have to complain EVERY TIME on EVERY forum. I think what we rather need to discuss is what forums are for.
I am not happy with everything they make, but I would rather express myself in debates because that might be actually constructive.
How can people be surprised that Camate is getting annoyed from the feedback on the forums or that they do not read every forum post, when you can often conclude 90% of the posts to: The complaining part of the community does not approve of this change.
Just because it is mostly those who do not like the changes who post, it does not mean noone likes them at all. Keep in mind that usually, discontent motivates people to speak up rather than satisfactions.
Anyway, moving on.
So you think it is justified for people to keep on complaining over days, weeks, months on forums?
Also Crystenne, I never said it was unfounded, I simply said I remember your name from about 20 posts so far in which you solely complained.
You should keep in mind that QQs are a buzzkill to whoever begs to differ and to those who do not, it is only a way of "enraging each other". Healthy?
And you say we have different opinions. That was exactily my point. I respect your opinion, but that does not mean you have to complain EVERY TIME on EVERY forum. I think what we rather need to discuss is what forums are for.
I am not happy with everything they make, but I would rather express myself in debates because that might be actually constructive.
How can people be surprised that Camate is getting annoyed from the feedback on the forums or that they do not read every forum post, when you can often conclude 90% of the posts to: The complaining part of the community does not approve of this change.
Just because it is mostly those who do not like the changes who post, it does not mean noone likes them at all. Keep in mind that usually, discontent motivates people to speak up rather than satisfactions.
Anyway, moving on.
Cerberus.Ultimatrunks said: »
Sylph.Kimble said: »
Cerberus.Ultimatrunks said: »
Great Crystenne, does that mean we will not be reading your constant complaints anymore? Have a wonderful life.
Can you really agree with the ***SE has been doing lately? lol
I did not say that, but having every Dev post be followed by a 10 page rant by people repeating the same over and over again is just tiring. Keep the feedback to the official forums, where they might actually read it. I would much rather read debates here, with >ARGUMENTS< which do not involve "I really, I mean REALLY, do not like this"-only.
Also, 360days for 18 members. Does anyone remember who long a base relic took in the old dynamis, level 75 cap, with maybe 20 members, doing AF and not farm runs? Like, the really oldschool relics? 360days for 1-2 relics?
I think it would be annoying, but bearable. It is the final trial, after all.
Noone forces you to do it.
But all of these arguments have been named.
In the end, it always depends on why you play the game and what you expect from it. Those intentions may vary greatly.
If you are frustrated about it, make a blog or a separate thread from Kalilas, so us, who do not mind those updates, do not have to read about the rants each time.
except it's not the final trial...
Considering how ***afterglows are, it may as well be.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Considering how ***afterglows are, it may as well be.
icwutudidthere
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And you say we have different opinions. That was exactily my point. I respect your opinion, but that does not mean you have to complain EVERY TIME on EVERY forum. I think what we rather need to discuss is what forums are for.
I am not happy with everything they make, but I would rather express myself in debates because that might be actually constructive.
How can people be surprised that Camate is getting annoyed from the feedback on the forums or that they do not read every forum post, when you can often conclude 90% of the posts to: The complaining part of the community does not approve of this change.
Just because it is mostly those who do not like the changes who post, it does not mean noone likes them at all. Keep in mind that usually, discontent motivates people to speak up rather than satisfactions.
I am not happy with everything they make, but I would rather express myself in debates because that might be actually constructive.
How can people be surprised that Camate is getting annoyed from the feedback on the forums or that they do not read every forum post, when you can often conclude 90% of the posts to: The complaining part of the community does not approve of this change.
Just because it is mostly those who do not like the changes who post, it does not mean noone likes them at all. Keep in mind that usually, discontent motivates people to speak up rather than satisfactions.
If I could continue to argue against the changes on the official forum, I would, but I require to have an active account for that, lol. I'm not going to pay money to tell a bunch of idiots with bananas stuck in their ears to stop being idiots.
I'm cynical and pessimistic towards updates now and yes, I do complain. I, however do so for a reason. If you think the content is fine, then that's no problem. I understand the reasons you feel complaining is detremental but if it rubs you the wrong way, you should have used the block function 20 posts ago.
It's impossible to avoid negative criticism of the dev team these days.
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I think an easy fix for the weapons would be to leave the 99 trial as is, but hear me out.
To get to level 99 stage:
20 Umbral Marrow for Relics
10 Mulcibar's Scoria for Mythics
60 Riftdross/Riftcinder for Empyreans
To get the afterglow 99 stage: (these numbers are just random)
300 Arch Dynamis Lord Kills (Relic)
200 Pandemonium Warden Kills (Mythic)
??? for Empyrean (500 Riftcinder/Riftdross?)
I think formatting the trials this way would be much better than needing the same item for the 99 stage AND the afterglow stage. Even if they make it that you have to kill a ridiculous amount of ADL or PW for the afterglow stage, at least it will be more feasible. It would also encourage people who finish their 99 stage to help with more ADL and PW kills rather than just bail when they get their items. So that's my two cents.
To get to level 99 stage:
20 Umbral Marrow for Relics
10 Mulcibar's Scoria for Mythics
60 Riftdross/Riftcinder for Empyreans
To get the afterglow 99 stage: (these numbers are just random)
300 Arch Dynamis Lord Kills (Relic)
200 Pandemonium Warden Kills (Mythic)
??? for Empyrean (500 Riftcinder/Riftdross?)
I think formatting the trials this way would be much better than needing the same item for the 99 stage AND the afterglow stage. Even if they make it that you have to kill a ridiculous amount of ADL or PW for the afterglow stage, at least it will be more feasible. It would also encourage people who finish their 99 stage to help with more ADL and PW kills rather than just bail when they get their items. So that's my two cents.
Yeah that happens all the time.
SE has gone back to the mentality of "1 dedicated/main job per player". A terrible mistake on their part at this point and age, but one they seem very determined to bring to fruition.
This is what many players have left before definitely losing all interest in the game, so SE wants them to be stuck with it for as long as possible, leveraging on the fact we are now able to complete multiple "ultimate weapons" and may feel like getting them all to 99 to be done with it.
I have little to no hope the requirements for the base 99 weapons will be changed, except maybe in the amount of items required.
This is what many players have left before definitely losing all interest in the game, so SE wants them to be stuck with it for as long as possible, leveraging on the fact we are now able to complete multiple "ultimate weapons" and may feel like getting them all to 99 to be done with it.
I have little to no hope the requirements for the base 99 weapons will be changed, except maybe in the amount of items required.
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*Gjallarhorn and Daurdabla may not be imbued with Afterglow effects.
le sigh
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Ragnarok.Legendarycloud said: »
I think an easy fix for the weapons would be to leave the 99 trial as is, but hear me out.
To get to level 99 stage:
20 Umbral Marrow for Relics
10 Mulcibar's Scoria for Mythics
60 Riftdross/Riftcinder for Empyreans
To get the afterglow 99 stage: (these numbers are just random)
300 Arch Dynamis Lord Kills (Relic)
200 Pandemonium Warden Kills (Mythic)
??? for Empyrean (500 Riftcinder/Riftdross?)
I think formatting the trials this way would be much better than needing the same item for the 99 stage AND the afterglow stage. Even if they make it that you have to kill a ridiculous amount of ADL or PW for the afterglow stage, at least it will be more feasible. It would also encourage people who finish their 99 stage to help with more ADL and PW kills rather than just bail when they get their items. So that's my two cents.
To get to level 99 stage:
20 Umbral Marrow for Relics
10 Mulcibar's Scoria for Mythics
60 Riftdross/Riftcinder for Empyreans
To get the afterglow 99 stage: (these numbers are just random)
300 Arch Dynamis Lord Kills (Relic)
200 Pandemonium Warden Kills (Mythic)
??? for Empyrean (500 Riftcinder/Riftdross?)
I think formatting the trials this way would be much better than needing the same item for the 99 stage AND the afterglow stage. Even if they make it that you have to kill a ridiculous amount of ADL or PW for the afterglow stage, at least it will be more feasible. It would also encourage people who finish their 99 stage to help with more ADL and PW kills rather than just bail when they get their items. So that's my two cents.
This would be a perfect solution to all of the problems proposed by both SE and the players, which is exactly why it will never happen.
It could be 300 Botulus Rex kills for Riftdross weapons and 300 Ig Alima (sp?) kills for Riftcinder weapons.
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Ragnarok.Legendarycloud said: »
I think an easy fix for the weapons would be to leave the 99 trial as is, but hear me out.
To get to level 99 stage:
20 Umbral Marrow for Relics
10 Mulcibar's Scoria for Mythics
60 Riftdross/Riftcinder for Empyreans
To get the afterglow 99 stage: (these numbers are just random)
300 Arch Dynamis Lord Kills (Relic)
200 Pandemonium Warden Kills (Mythic)
??? for Empyrean (500 Riftcinder/Riftdross?)
I think formatting the trials this way would be much better than needing the same item for the 99 stage AND the afterglow stage. Even if they make it that you have to kill a ridiculous amount of ADL or PW for the afterglow stage, at least it will be more feasible. It would also encourage people who finish their 99 stage to help with more ADL and PW kills rather than just bail when they get their items. So that's my two cents.
To get to level 99 stage:
20 Umbral Marrow for Relics
10 Mulcibar's Scoria for Mythics
60 Riftdross/Riftcinder for Empyreans
To get the afterglow 99 stage: (these numbers are just random)
300 Arch Dynamis Lord Kills (Relic)
200 Pandemonium Warden Kills (Mythic)
??? for Empyrean (500 Riftcinder/Riftdross?)
I think formatting the trials this way would be much better than needing the same item for the 99 stage AND the afterglow stage. Even if they make it that you have to kill a ridiculous amount of ADL or PW for the afterglow stage, at least it will be more feasible. It would also encourage people who finish their 99 stage to help with more ADL and PW kills rather than just bail when they get their items. So that's my two cents.
This would be a perfect solution to all of the problems proposed by both SE and the players, which is exactly why it will never happen.
It could be 300 Botulus Rex kills for Riftdross weapons and 300 Ig Alima (sp?) kills for Riftcinder weapons.
A perfect solution would be to make the items for the Afterglow version and some number of kills (ADL/PW) for the normal 99
No, that's not a perfect solution because it doesn't end up penalizing people who have already started collecting the 99 upgrade items. If they leave the second trial untouched and make the first trial kills, the value of those items would drop substantially. If you do it in the order he suggested, the value of those items is fairly constant, but you ensure a long term supply of them.
Ragnarok.Legendarycloud said: »
I think an easy fix for the weapons would be to leave the 99 trial as is, but hear me out.
To get to level 99 stage:
20 Umbral Marrow for Relics
10 Mulcibar's Scoria for Mythics
60 Riftdross/Riftcinder for Empyreans
To get the afterglow 99 stage: (these numbers are just random)
300 Arch Dynamis Lord Kills (Relic)
200 Pandemonium Warden Kills (Mythic)
??? for Empyrean (500 Riftcinder/Riftdross?)
I think formatting the trials this way would be much better than needing the same item for the 99 stage AND the afterglow stage. Even if they make it that you have to kill a ridiculous amount of ADL or PW for the afterglow stage, at least it will be more feasible. It would also encourage people who finish their 99 stage to help with more ADL and PW kills rather than just bail when they get their items. So that's my two cents.
To get to level 99 stage:
20 Umbral Marrow for Relics
10 Mulcibar's Scoria for Mythics
60 Riftdross/Riftcinder for Empyreans
To get the afterglow 99 stage: (these numbers are just random)
300 Arch Dynamis Lord Kills (Relic)
200 Pandemonium Warden Kills (Mythic)
??? for Empyrean (500 Riftcinder/Riftdross?)
I think formatting the trials this way would be much better than needing the same item for the 99 stage AND the afterglow stage. Even if they make it that you have to kill a ridiculous amount of ADL or PW for the afterglow stage, at least it will be more feasible. It would also encourage people who finish their 99 stage to help with more ADL and PW kills rather than just bail when they get their items. So that's my two cents.
The numbers could maybe be adjusted slightly as the idea hinges on whether or not people would be motivated enough to go through the Afterglow in the first place.
If the Afterglow trial is still crap, supply of Marrows in particular will still be sparse as most people aren't crazy enough to do it. 300 ADL kills is still a year's worth of Dynamis, give ir take.
A great idea in theory, though.
Looks like it is going to be the following
5 for relics
3 for mythics
60 for emp
Someone posted on the JP forums.
5 for relics
3 for mythics
60 for emp
Someone posted on the JP forums.
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