[dev1064] Job Adjustments: Weapon Skills

SAM was already nearly as good as WAR, this just makes SAM the new bandwagon DD.

BRD wasn't shitted on, they were just as viable as always. They're just not the best choice when you're 3-manning. I have always wished I had career brd in my linkshell, but nobody wants to play brd because brd is boring as ***.

And yes, they *** rdm, but it was because of the overabundance of temp items in the newest end game content (and lack of Cure V); not empyrean weaponskills. Oh, and Temper being self target.

Plus you just completely changed the entire debate, like, it's not even close anymore.

The moral of both of these arguments: Tanaka/SE is completely ***.

I'll never understand what gives you and others like yourself the right or motivation to pigeonhole what it is exactly that constitutes "fun". I mean, you're definitively saying that your version of fun is legitimate, and anyone else's brand is ill-motivated. You enjoy one particular job? That's fantastic, but there's no rational explanation for why being monomaniacal over one's job is, in the eyes of so many, admirable, while being just as devoted to a role is shallow.

You'd think that after so many years of the phrase being tossed around, coincidentally very much akin to a bunch of biologically inferior animals flinging their feces everywhere, the greater community would have learned to rationalize their reinvention of the word "bandwagon" with its inherently inarguable negative reassigned meaning. That, or they'd be forced to - hold the phone - dismiss it entirely. Insanity, right?

Its disgusting to see people genuinely uplifted by the notion of those who enjoy maximizing their performance having the floor ripped from under them.

And the player base that expects every job to be the exact same thing.

Each job a specific roll to play and has it's own ways to be the best at what it's suppose to do.

People *** an moan about DRKs having shitty WSs all the time, but they don't realise DRKs are suppose to be pseudo-mage-DDs.(Regardless of how bad of a job SE did with it.) But they shouldn't try to fix it with a "uber l33t WS".

THFs are in the same boat, just in this thread I've seen "boost Rudra's". THFs are hardly even suppose to be considered DDs. They're melee support. Hence why they get JAs such as Collaborator/Trick attack/Treasure Hunter/etc.

WAR is my favorite job right beside PLD and SAM, but I'm not going to complain about this nerf until I hear how much it was actually lowered. I understand it being over-powered, but DD power is all that WAR gets(inb4 loldefender).

I could go on about each job, but I'm sure you get the point. I just don't want every job becoming the same thing just using different weapons.

Meh I've never once said drk should get sexy ws. I said drk should get sexy ja's that compliment their mage abilities so that when casting not losing out on dot. I also didn't say that war should be like every other job. I'm just saying Ukon in general was over powered. 30% crit bonus at 100% tp? lol Rng is *** beasty but they can't even use their full potential. ***sidewinder was nerfed too some odd years ago. People *** then, and I still saw good dmg from them who took the job seriously. Your war is gonna be ok.

Wow, someone is a little defensive. I wasn't even directing it at you. lol

It's becoming a hot topic lol! It better get noticed by SE soon

/sigh Guess it was only a matter of time before they started crying about Shoha, figures. -_-

Heaven forbid a parallel demonstrating the inconsistency in their judgement be drawn.

I do agree, there certainly is something to be said for people who play what they do because it is fun as opposed to it being the best. :)

Although playing what you think is fun while it is also the best is pretty sweet too. ;p

Nobody knows what the lower'd crit rate is gonna be for Ukko's and Smite... Solution: Equip Rancor Mantle. /thread

no >:

It's not like that mantle is even bad. It has a good attack bonus on it to compensate. And it has the same grudge effect.

Doesn't stack with the collar.

whaaaat? >_< wtf...has this been thoroughly tested? my bad then :(

No I wasn't referring to you posting it at me. I'm talking in general towards your comment in agreeance.

Can we have a shopped Tanaka with a samurai helm yet?

Was tested by using the mantle and collar together against 1000 needles.
But there is this.

GO GO Gadget WAR/NIN dual wield Rampage spam!

Is it 2005?

Ahh ok Kai

You sir no nothing of BST SE never has made a change the player wanted only the changes they deem worthy for a job theyve never played, WE have no choice to except the changes because no matter how many Thousands complain about charm or Emp axe, they'll never listen, that goes double with Tanaka at the wheel.

in closing: Yes the nerf you meantioned was terrible and permantly changed things, but we "adapted" as you say only because we have no choice.

Was in a merit Dominion ops party in Ulegrand Abyssea. The damage from Tachi: Shoha was intense! While I was glad things were moving along so quickly it was sort of disconcerting whenever I engaged a raptor and approached it only to have the SAM I didn't see behind me buzz by and one shot it with a 3.8-5k WS.

I may be a little late to the party but does Resolution improve much from rank 4-5, or is this it?

Edit: I'm not shouting about how it should be nerfed, nor have I seen it used outside Abyssea yet. Just sort of disappointed in my own failings when it comes to one hit killing everything with a STR mod five-fold WS that's weaker than Guillotine.

My Ridill is awfully dusty at this point.

War still has Resolution. That WS is dope lol

Oh well. I'm still taking my Ukon to 99, regardless.

Tachi-Shoha would be balanced it if was a 1 hit... but yet again its just another overpowered ws that hopefully will get nerfed soon.

Yeah I'm not going to quit just because this *** wants to nerf us into oblivion. It's just sad people cry "Nerf WAR nerf WAR nerf WAR" While SAM gets Shoha which seems broken at this point imo.(It out damages Kaiten/Fudo...)

I think the Abyssea team had it right as far as balance wise (razed ruins aside) and tanaka comes in and wants to "Balance" everything. Looking away from how critical hit weaponskills dominated Abyssea everything else was looking well done.

nerf us into oblivion... ? really? lol hyperbole with this adjustment is all over the place. Its not like war isn't still a top DD. That's WHAT war does.


edit: Furthermore, you can do what sam's with Masa now do. Empy WS at 300 tp for AM3 and just ride the new WS... not hard to grasp, y'all.

Ukko's is still gonna be top 2 ws.. lol.