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Presidential Candidates .. Who do you like?
Do Santorum supporters really exist? Are there any in the house?
Valefor.Mithano said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » to be fair; most people don't know *** about politics or reality for that matter. most can't even do their own taxes much less be expected to understand anything as complex as world/national politics. Why is this? I really enjoy engaging in political debates with people from the other side of an argument. You may not agree with my position, but I'd love to go through the details and understand more about both sides. Perhaps I'll even change my mind! Yet, I feel like most people don't feel this way. They would rather blindly believe some stance, never do any research, and are happy with that. Leviathan.Chaosx said: » Do Santorum supporters really exist? Are there any in the house? Yeah, there are, but it's a huge overlap with the "people who vote for who they tell me to vote for" group. All the wonderful things I've heard about him from relatives: "He's a good Christian man." "They say he's a strong conservative!" "He seems more honest than the others." "His wife seems nice." None of which scratch the surface. Too many people simply don't care to look too deeply at their candidates to see how they really are. Leviathan.Chaosx said: » The Samoa of Disapproval disapproves! FTFY I find it pretty fascinating that even this late in the game that we are even talking about flavors of the month, which is really all Santorum is. Even moreso is that Ron Paul hasn't had his turn yet, I'm not sure he'll even get it.
You and your samoa, lol.
I don't know about you guys, but I don't want my hands covered in Santorum. Leviathan.Chaosx said: » You and your samoa, lol. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want my hands covered in Santorum. You will be haunted by it. Rest assured. if ron paul wasn't a hardcore isolationist he'd have this wrapped up. as such i'm planning on voting for santorum in the lolcali primary (won't matter who the candidate is cali will be an obama state due to the hippies, tree huggers etc)
Ughh, don't get me started on tree huggers.
trucido said: » I find it pretty fascinating that even this late in the game that we are even talking about flavors of the month, which is really all Santorum is. Even moreso is that Ron Paul hasn't had his turn yet, I'm not sure he'll even get it. Paul wont get it. Each of the other candidates "rise" in popularity seems to be entirely fabricated. Who are all these people that are mysteriously flopping around on their support for different candidates. It seems entirely driven by fox and talk news radio to present the illusion of a real race. Romney has been the anointed one since the beginning. Paul appears to be a candidate that actually isnt part of the established regime, so as a result he won't be given the same advantages. Obligatory election conspiracy video from "The Onion". Valefor.Mithano said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » to be fair; most people don't know *** about politics or reality for that matter. most can't even do their own taxes much less be expected to understand anything as complex as world/national politics. Why is this? I really enjoy engaging in political debates with people from the other side of an argument. You may not agree with my position, but I'd love to go through the details and understand more about both sides. Perhaps I'll even change my mind! Yet, I feel like most people don't feel this way. They would rather blindly believe some stance, never do any research, and are happy with that. to be frank: people are too stupid and or too busy to be bothered. I work with the public, have for years, and people wonder why I think there should be a ruling class. (doesn't mean I agree with the current regime). In answer to your Santorum question, Chaosx, this happened yesterday:
"On today’s Face the Nation, host Bob Schieffer asked presidential candidate Rick Santorum to clarify his controversial statement from yesterday, that “free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions.” But rather than double back, Santorum instead chose to double down, saying that certain types of prenatal testing that are used to detect fetal abnormalities should not be offered for free as they “encourage abortions.” “We’re talking about specifically prenatal testing and specifically amniocentesis,” Santorum said, “which is a… procedure that creates a risk of miscarriage when you have it and is done for the purposes of identifying maladies of a child in the womb, which in many cases, in fact, most cases, physicians recommend, particularly if there’s a problem, recommend abortion.” A study conducted in 2006 by researchers at Mouth Sinai found that the risk of miscarriage from amniocentesis — a procedure necessary for the detection of chromosomal abnormalities (such as Down syndrome) and fetal infections — is 0.06%. In fact, there was no difference in “loss rate” between patients who had undergone amniocentesis, and those who had not." I'm terribly sorry, but Santorum will never get my vote. And my faith is humanity will be permanently destroyed if he even comes close to getting elected. :x You know, lots of things scare me but they pale in comparison to current front-runner Rick Santorum. It must be the mix of extremist theism, the geeky sweater-vests and that soft spoken disposition that covers up his radical theocratic agenda.
The things that come out of his mouth are just astounding and the notion that people in this country really take what he says seriously enough to put him in the position he's in right now is just astounding. He makes Newt Gingrich seem like a rational option, makes Ron Paul seem like an intellectual elite and further elevates Mitt Romney as the only choice that stands a chance of beating Obama. I know he stands no chance of winning a general election but seriously? Rick Santorum is the best we can elevate in this country to run for POTUS? Really? Godwin's Law smiles. Mmm, red meat. Climate change is hoax, the environment is ours to rape and FDR was a terrible president. Prenatal care might lead to parents making decisions they feel are in their best interest if the child is not viable? Deplorable. Women with rights? Not in my America. If your child is born with a crippling condition? Deal with it because we're all obviously as financially set as Rick. Freedom! Liberty! Independence! /facepalm it's kind of sad that I know a lot of the general public who agree with his line of thinking...
he's just catering to the uneducated and unintelligent persons of the world. I'm voting for the illuminati!
I have never been so terrified of a candidate as I am of this moron. He makes Bush look like a darling. I may have a nervous breakdown if he wins, but fortunately, I don't think there's a high chance of that.
I can only imagine the temper tantrum Romney is gonna throw if he loses his home state to Rick Santorum.
Our options are a president who has already proven he is a failure, or a republican who probably will be a failure.
All you can do is vote against every incumbent/career politician in an attempt to inject new blood into the system. Fenrir.Kelyn said: » Our options are a president who has already proven he is a failure, or a republican who probably will be a failure. Which parts of Obama's presidency do you consider to be a failure? I do not agree with all that he has done, and he certainly has done things that I really hate, but I do not consider him a failure. This isn't trolling - just honest question - I would like to know which specific issues you believe he failed on, and why. How can you be FOR kids with down syndrome being born?
That should be one of the things that conservatives are OK with. I mean have they met people with down syndrome? No one should have to live like that. Lakshmi.Jesi said: » How can you be FOR kids with down syndrome being born? That should be one of the things that conservatives are OK with. I mean have they met people with down syndrome? No one should have to live like that. It depends on how you draw the line around what is human life. Although I agree with you and I am pro-choice, I can imagine why people that are staunchly pro-life feel the way they do. In that mindset, regardless of the discomfort or dysfunction, the fetus must be given an attempt to live. In the end, this is what makes pro-choice vs. pro-life a very simple debate to me - decide at what point the collection of cells becomes "human", and you have your answer for where you stand. Given how hard it is to decide what "life" is these days, it's little wonder why deciding what a "human" is ends up being difficult too. Fenrir.Kelyn said: » Our options are a president who has already proven he is a failure, or a republican who probably will be a failure. All you can do is vote against every incumbent/career politician in an attempt to inject new blood into the system. Valefor.Mithano said: » Fenrir.Kelyn said: » Our options are a president who has already proven he is a failure, or a republican who probably will be a failure. Which parts of Obama's presidency do you consider to be a failure? I do not agree with all that he has done, and he certainly has done things that I really hate, but I do not consider him a failure. This isn't trolling - just honest question - I would like to know which specific issues you believe he failed on, and why. I feel that Glenn Greenwald said it well in this piece. Quote: The fallacy in this reasoning is glaring. The candidate supported by progressives — President Obama — himself holds heinous views on a slew of critical issues and himself has done heinous things with the power he has been vested. He has slaughtered civilians — Muslim children by the dozens — not once or twice, but continuously in numerous nations with drones, cluster bombs and other forms of attack. He has sought to overturn a global ban on cluster bombs. He has institutionalized the power of Presidents — in secret and with no checks — to target American citizens for assassination-by-CIA, far from any battlefield. He has waged an unprecedented war against whistleblowers, the protection of which was once a liberal shibboleth. He rendered permanently irrelevant the War Powers Resolution, a crown jewel in the list of post-Vietnam liberal accomplishments, and thus enshrined the power of Presidents to wage war even in the face of a Congressional vote against it. His obsession with secrecy is so extreme that it has become darkly laughable in its manifestations, and he even worked to amend the Freedom of Information Act (another crown jewel of liberal legislative successes) when compliance became inconvenient. I agree with most of it, aside from maybe the War Powers Resolution bit, just because I feel that that was unconstitutional to begin with. If you voted for a president to help take you out of war(one of the things he campaigned on) then your vote was wasted. If you voted for him to give greater governmental transparency, then your vote was wasted. Maybe you voted for him to take a hard stance on bankers and favor the working class - your vote was wasted. Lakshmi.Jesi said: » How can you be FOR kids with down syndrome being born? That should be one of the things that conservatives are OK with. I mean have they met people with down syndrome? No one should have to live like that. If you look at it through a pro-life lens your feelings are irrelevant because if a kid comes out with a crippling deformity then it is God's will and for you to supplant that with logic is postulating that you know more than your creator. Look at things through the "God fearing" lens and it all makes sense. Many of the people most vocal about abortion do so because they feel God is going to get really mad and do something to us all. A little Old Testament wrath as it were. Caitsith.Mahayaya said: » I feel that Glenn Greenwald said it well in this piece. I agree with most of it, aside from maybe the War Powers Resolution bit, just because I feel that that was unconstitutional to begin with. If you voted for a president to help take you out of war(one of the things he campaigned on) then your vote was wasted. If you voted for him to give greater governmental transparency, then your vote was wasted. Maybe you voted for him to take a hard stance on bankers and favor the working class - your vote was wasted. I'll have to read later when I have more time, but transparency and secrets and some of the war efforts I do agree he should not have done. But my vote was not wasted - I believe he did better on those categories than McCain would have done. I am very happy with his health care work. I am happy with some of the budget items he's done, but I really wish he'd push harder in some areas (specifically military). But again, I still feel McCain would have taken us to all out war with anyone and everyone. I think he is generally taking things seriously about the energy conversion to get us off oil. However, I'm not sure I will vote for him again. It will depend on who's nominated. Man, I'd love a non-2 party system. I'm not thrilled with his performance, but at least he's not psychotic ... someone posted this on facebook
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Nfo4RYBTNfM&noredirect=1
Speaking with George Stephanopoulos on this morning’s This Week, presidential candidate Rick Santorum was asked to clarify a statement he made last October, concerning JFK’s famous separation of church and state speech to Baptist ministers. “Earlier in my political career, I had the opportunity to read the speech, and I almost threw up,” Santorum told an audience at the College of Saint Mary Magdalen. “Why did it make you throw up?” inquired Stephanopoulos. “I don’t believe in an America where the separation between church and state is absolute,” replied Santorum. “The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and visions of our country.” Later, on Meet The Press, Santorum doubled down on his position, telling host David Gregory that the separation of church and state was “not the founders’ vision.” Of course, the principle of church-state separation is one that has been long-held by American lawmakers, statesmen, and presidents — including GOP deity Ronald Reagan. “We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor will we ever,” Reagan said in a 1984 campaign speech. “Church and state are, and must remain, separate.” Santorum’s most recent head-scratching comments follow a double-taker he made yesterday at a Tea Party Rally in Tory, Michigan. “President Obama wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob,” Santorum told an applauding audience. “There are good, decent men and women who work hard every day and put their skills to the test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor.” In addition to being disconcertingly anti-intellectual, Talking Points Memo also points out that Santorum’s remark contradicts his own support for universal higher education. |
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