Axes

It doesn't work like that.

Find me proof you have 6 attacks per round. Don't tell me ***like "well if they stacked you could get 6." No ***, been saying that all night. The problem is, you can only get upwards of 4, even the guy that brought it up said 4, if they stacked, you'd get 6. Find me proof of a 6 hit, no offhand weapons or H2H. THEN I'll say that stack, until then, they both proc on initial hit.

Seriously, by your logic, kick attacks stack with DA.

Stacking isn't the same as both proccing on the initial hit. Because the way you're saying it, Kick Attacks stack on DA too, which if that were true, I'd be kicking upwards of 8 times per round with DA kick AF3 set procs, correct? I mean it's the same logic you're throwing out.

There isn't a single test showing 6 hit on a love halberd, 4? Yes because you got your intial hit, +2 hits from the TA, and +1 more hit from the OAT. That isn't stacking, that is both proccing in the same round. Stacking would be initial hit, +2 from TA, +1 OAT on intial, +2 more for each proc on each extra hit on the TA.

I'll quote the guy everyone is defending, even with his edit.


4!

I guess a better way of saying it would be the Oat from jailer weapons "adds onto the original swing" and Triple attack or double attack can also add onto the original swing in that same round.

Most OAT make it so TA/DA won't add onto the swing it also procs on.

they're right though, Love halbard will only swing 4 times max if you triple attack and a virtue stone procs, 2 extra rounds from TA, 1 from Virtue stones and the original swing.

DA/TA will not add onto Virtue stone procs, but they will combine with a virtue stone proc on the original swing.

like I said, misconceptions are funny.

But since you love your tests, go get a justice sword, pop assassin's charge and tell us your TP return. Wear a ***load of slow+ gear so you don't start another round immediately and tell us what happens.

I'm working on guttler, which would be better?

Guttler is probably best dd weapon for bst. Aymur might be better in some situations, but Guttler is more accessible at present.
Its really fantastic damage.

Sorry i wasnt clear, i meant better off hand weapon with guttler, oat or double attk.

I wouldn't be surprised if a STR/Attack axe beat both of them.

I would say the DA one. The conditions don't change, you'd still get get more DoT with the DA and more TP gained with the OAT. And especially with the relic's hidden effect (if they activate on the DAs or TAs), you definitely be getting more of a benefit from the DA axe.