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Klimaform available during sub
so i just noticed u can use klimaform while using sch sub. this kinda upsets me since this is the AF weapon... but kinda useful for whm/sch landing addle and slow on harder ***...
Ya that is odd....perhaps SE will change that, because that is kind of unfair to sch mains
SCH as a support job grants B rank magic skills for any classical category, 10% MP cost reductions, and some of the job's most powerful stratagems on a fairly reasonable timer, and you're whining about Klimaform?
Something about Berserk, Utsusemi, Dual Wield, Hasso, Charm, Elemental Seal, Counterstance, Treasure Hunter, Cure, etc. Leviathan.Dodu said: » SCH as a support job grants B rank magic skills for any classical category, 10% MP cost reductions, and some of the job's most powerful stratagems on a fairly reasonable timer, and you're whining about Klimaform? Something about Berserk, Utsusemi, Dual Wield, Hasso, Charm, Elemental Seal, Counterstance, Treasure Hunter, Cure, etc. well that too.... klimaform just adds to the list. since it adds a substantial amount of macc. i just fail to see how light art bonuses and now klimaform are granted to every other main job but Affliatus Solace bonus isnt... kinda wack of SE Bahamut.Cuelebra said: » Leviathan.Dodu said: » SCH as a support job grants B rank magic skills for any classical category, 10% MP cost reductions, and some of the job's most powerful stratagems on a fairly reasonable timer, and you're whining about Klimaform? Something about Berserk, Utsusemi, Dual Wield, Hasso, Charm, Elemental Seal, Counterstance, Treasure Hunter, Cure, etc. well that too.... klimaform just adds to the list. since it adds a substantial amount of macc. i just fail to see how light art bonuses and now klimaform are granted to every other main job but Affliatus Solace bonus isnt... kinda wack of SE I think you're missing the point. You're taking a label as arbitrary as "artifact spell" and trying to turn it into the core of the job. Before AF3 feet, Klimaform was about as pertinent to the scholar job as the Fencing Degen was to red mage. You know what was class-defining? Their ability to, on a truly minuscule recast timer, entirely change their magical specialization. That, like utsusemi, like DW, like TH, and like Charm is a truly make-or-break element to the job itself, and both the developers and the playerbase have had no issue sticking it in the candy bowl on the porch, waiting for the trick-or-treaters to come and snatch it away for themselves to use freely. There is no continuity with regard to what's worthy of being kept main job-specific and what's not, so caring now, in nearly this game's tenth year of life, is pretty damn silly.
Cerberus.Kiori said: » Bahamut.Cuelebra said: » Leviathan.Dodu said: » SCH as a support job grants B rank magic skills for any classical category, 10% MP cost reductions, and some of the job's most powerful stratagems on a fairly reasonable timer, and you're whining about Klimaform? Something about Berserk, Utsusemi, Dual Wield, Hasso, Charm, Elemental Seal, Counterstance, Treasure Hunter, Cure, etc. well that too.... klimaform just adds to the list. since it adds a substantial amount of macc. i just fail to see how light art bonuses and now klimaform are granted to every other main job but Affliatus Solace bonus isnt... kinda wack of SE Its not just the spells. they have access to all SCH JA's lol(appropriate sub job level) so u cant really argue the NIN ja. cause u can accessions, penury and celerity etc... They had spoken about nerfing light/dark arts in SE SCH forums but it wasnt done this update so. blah. Leviathan.Dodu said: » ... Bahamut.Cuelebra said: » Cerberus.Kiori said: » Bahamut.Cuelebra said: » Leviathan.Dodu said: » SCH as a support job grants B rank magic skills for any classical category, 10% MP cost reductions, and some of the job's most powerful stratagems on a fairly reasonable timer, and you're whining about Klimaform? Something about Berserk, Utsusemi, Dual Wield, Hasso, Charm, Elemental Seal, Counterstance, Treasure Hunter, Cure, etc. well that too.... klimaform just adds to the list. since it adds a substantial amount of macc. i just fail to see how light art bonuses and now klimaform are granted to every other main job but Affliatus Solace bonus isnt... kinda wack of SE Its not just the spells. they have access to all SCH JA's lol(appropriate sub job level) so u cant really argue the NIN ja. cause u can accessions, penury and celerity etc... They had spoken about nerfing light/dark arts in SE SCH forums but it wasnt done this update so. blah. Just like how jobs who sub DNC have everything a main does. Just deal with it. Some jobs are better used as a sub. If you want to use Afflatus Solace go main WHM. At least they aren't lowering the level of your Job Abilities so a /sch can use it. You guys got an amazing update. Be happy instead of whining about one spell people get by subbing SCH. Leviathan.Dodu said: » SCH as a support job grants B rank magic skills for any classical category, 10% MP cost reductions, and some of the job's most powerful stratagems on a fairly reasonable timer, and you're whining about Klimaform? Something about Berserk, Utsusemi, Dual Wield, Hasso, Charm, Elemental Seal, Counterstance, Treasure Hunter, Cure, etc. Sekkanoki :( Cerberus.Leoxtribal
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/rdm refresh? I don't see the difference between losing refresh as a rdm only thing and losing klimaform as a sch only thing. Same thing for sams sekkanoki... I mean it was level 60 and they dropped it to 40. No reason to complain.
Dancer is (now) a terrible main job, and scholar has always been a terrible main job. While I don't think they anticipated just how bad their job design actually was, the developers told us from the get-go that these jobs were created to be ideal support jobs.
'Cause every other job's AF weapon is so useful that I just want to ***.
im outnumbered going to eat my ice cream and cheetoes and call it a day!
Sch is not a terrible main job :(
agreed, its far from terrible
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How you can say SCH has always been a terrible main means you've not seen a good SCH in action.
If SCH was such a terible main why were BLM's QQ'ing about SCH and why have there been countless discussions over who was the better nuker. Theres a TON of discussions over SCH being better than x,y,z but survivability rather than outright power. Embrava and Kaustra just made SCH more powerful (yes its only available under 2 hour but how many 2hr chests disappear in Abys these days - let alone how revit drinks are pretty much always in invent) Allowing /SCH access to Klimaform is a bit silly of SE, being the "AF", but then it was probably expected. maybe its nerfed like hasso.. has anyone actually done the tests.. a nerfed Klimaform wouldnt be a problem.. would it? Being better at soloing Apollyon zones two years ago doesn't make it a job significant in group play, and with the introduction of enmity douse, the gap became that much wider.
Scholar is trash unless you're able to lock yourself in Tabula Rasa. And Hasso isn't nerfed. You get every important aspect when subbed. Leviathan.Dodu said: » SCH as a support job grants B rank magic skills for any classical category, 10% MP cost reductions, and some of the job's most powerful stratagems on a fairly reasonable timer, and you're whining about Klimaform? Something about Berserk, Utsusemi, Dual Wield, Hasso, Charm, Elemental Seal, Counterstance, Treasure Hunter, Cure, etc. I think it's the principle of it, more so than the actual usefulness of the spell. And in some respects I agree. It is kinda messed up to have an AF designated spell available via sub, regardless of how little use it has. Leviathan.Dodu said: » Being better at soloing Apollyon zones two years ago doesn't make it a job significant in group play, and with the introduction of enmity douse, the gap became that much wider. Scholar is trash unless you're able to lock yourself in Tabula Rasa. And Hasso isn't nerfed. You get every important aspect when subbed. Its only 'messed up' when you put far too much emphasis on what it means to be part of a job's 'artifact'. There isn't even any lore attached to the scholar artifact set.
I could maybe see some sort of rationalization if they were to make Warlock's Chapeau accessible to other jobs, because its so deeply embedded in the job's storyline, but come on. Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: » Leviathan.Dodu said: » Being better at soloing Apollyon zones two years ago doesn't make it a job significant in group play, and with the introduction of enmity douse, the gap became that much wider. Scholar is trash unless you're able to lock yourself in Tabula Rasa. And Hasso isn't nerfed. You get every important aspect when subbed. AoE Phalanx is unimportant to anyone who isn't tanking, and the only currently relevant tank has it as a native spell. Adloquiem is absolute garbage, and you lose a considerable amount of total damage by sticking a SCH with your melee instead of a BRD(or another DD). BLM is significantly better at dealing damage in long and short battles. I didn't elaborate because the reasons are blatantly obvious. Cerberus.Wolfshadow
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Leviathan.Dodu said: » Its only 'messed up' when you put far too much emphasis on what it means to be part of a job's 'artifact'. There isn't even any lore attached to the scholar artifact set. I could maybe see some sort of rationalization if they were to make Warlock's Chapeau accessible to other jobs, because its so deeply embedded in the job's storyline, but come on. Not being optimal doesn't make it a terrible job.
Everything isn't black or white. Leviathan.Dodu said: » Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: » Leviathan.Dodu said: » Being better at soloing Apollyon zones two years ago doesn't make it a job significant in group play, and with the introduction of enmity douse, the gap became that much wider. Scholar is trash unless you're able to lock yourself in Tabula Rasa. And Hasso isn't nerfed. You get every important aspect when subbed. AoE Phalanx is unimportant to anyone who isn't tanking, and the only currently relevant tank has it as a native spell. Adloquiem is absolute garbage, and you lose a considerable amount of total damage by sticking a SCH with your melee instead of a BRD(or another DD). BLM is significantly better at dealing damage in long and short battles. I didn't elaborate because the reasons are blatantly obvious. I don't see how Red Mage AF is significant in lore to the armor itself either.
It's been awhile though, I might have to look at some goblin footsteps to clarify further, but frankly that was all I got out of it. Leviathan.Dodu said: » AoE Phalanx is unimportant to anyone who isn't tanking, and the only currently relevant tank has it as a native spell. Adloquiem is absolute garbage, and you lose a considerable amount of total damage by sticking a SCH with your melee instead of a BRD(or another DD). BLM is significantly better at dealing damage in long and short battles. I didn't elaborate because the reasons are blatantly obvious. !!!! Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: » Leviathan.Dodu said: » Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: » Leviathan.Dodu said: » Being better at soloing Apollyon zones two years ago doesn't make it a job significant in group play, and with the introduction of enmity douse, the gap became that much wider. Scholar is trash unless you're able to lock yourself in Tabula Rasa. And Hasso isn't nerfed. You get every important aspect when subbed. AoE Phalanx is unimportant to anyone who isn't tanking, and the only currently relevant tank has it as a native spell. Adloquiem is absolute garbage, and you lose a considerable amount of total damage by sticking a SCH with your melee instead of a BRD(or another DD). BLM is significantly better at dealing damage in long and short battles. I didn't elaborate because the reasons are blatantly obvious. Phalanx is completely trivial to a DD who's getting hit by AoE damage, summoner is dramatically better at reducing anything that's going to hit non-tanks, SCH has no means of dumping their CE, and MP management is still a joke right now, inside or outside of Abyssea. And when your job excels at virtually nothing, yeah, I'd say its pretty terrible class design. Unless of course you're going to tell me that PUP isn't terrible, either. Its mindblowing that people are still capable of having job pride to the point of being completely unable to see their job's weaknesses. Every class has weaknesses and utility, that may or may not come into immediate practical application for every situation, but it doesn't completely nullify it of it's purpose.
Leviathan.Dodu said: » Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: » Leviathan.Dodu said: » Lakshmi.Emanuelle said: » Leviathan.Dodu said: » Being better at soloing Apollyon zones two years ago doesn't make it a job significant in group play, and with the introduction of enmity douse, the gap became that much wider. Scholar is trash unless you're able to lock yourself in Tabula Rasa. And Hasso isn't nerfed. You get every important aspect when subbed. AoE Phalanx is unimportant to anyone who isn't tanking, and the only currently relevant tank has it as a native spell. Adloquiem is absolute garbage, and you lose a considerable amount of total damage by sticking a SCH with your melee instead of a BRD(or another DD). BLM is significantly better at dealing damage in long and short battles. I didn't elaborate because the reasons are blatantly obvious. Phalanx is completely trivial to a DD who's getting hit by AoE damage, summoner is dramatically better at reducing anything that's going to hit non-tanks, SCH has no means of dumping their CE, and MP management is still a joke right now, inside or outside of Abyssea. And when your job excels at virtually nothing, yeah, I'd say its pretty terrible class design. Unless of course you're going to tell me that PUP isn't terrible, either. Its mindblowing that people are still capable of having job pride to the point of being completely unable to see their job's weaknesses. most plds doesn't even have enhancing caped, it's silly that you compare a sch or rdm phalanx vs a paladin c grade enhancing, you are just adding the entire smn commentary to add up some non-sense stuff, smn it's good for Earthen Armor, but you can't virtually expect a smn to put phalanx+ earth armor all the time, it will die from aoe like most of them do on voidwatch, ill just stop here, you still not explaining why is a trash job but silly arguments and no solid responses like the smn and pld phalanx one, the tp regain spell being a trash that's your opinion, i guess moonshade earring is trash as well for you. it's very normal expecting these kind of hating/bashing comments from you, you do it all the time on each forums. |
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