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Fenrir.Savoree said: » I agree. But PC or GTFO? Is it that inferior? /shrugs 2/3? wut? Same, I know how limiting the 6 line macro system is, and but I make it work and find ways around it, within the confines of the game. Sure, being able to swap my entire gear seat with one button press would be groovy, but I think there's something to be said for a competent player who can still perform well despite the binding restrictiveness of the system. It's far more than just an entire gear set with 1 macro.
Odin.Dirtyfinger said: » It's far more than just an entire gear set with 1 macro. It may be a tad harsh but at the end of the day it is his linkshell so he can set any rules he wishes.
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It really isn't that shocking of a thing to ask for really given their other prerequisites. Unless you have a pc next to you while you're playing on failbawks or lolps2, you aren't using ventrillo/mumble/whatever, which vastly decreases your reaction time. Alongside that you have the inability to create midcast delays for anything shorter than 1 second, automatically cancel things such as utsusemi shadows for ichi, and a lack of windower just extremely lowers your performance overall.
tl;dr A failbawks war/sam won't outparse the pc war/sam that has a proper spellcast, even given the exact same gear. The delay/limits in switching sets, and other human errors such as reaction time are too great for the failbawks. I agree with all these points. Completely.
But again, PC or GTFO? It would be a shame if this attitude became the precedent.
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Carbuncle.Wulfshadow said: » It really isn't that shocking of a thing to ask for really given their other prerequisites. Unless you have a pc next to you while you're playing on failbawks or lolps2, you aren't using ventrillo/mumble/whatever, which vastly decreases your reaction time. Alongside that you have the inability to create midcast delays for anything shorter than 1 second, automatically cancel things such as utsusemi shadows for ichi, and a lack of windower just extremely lowers your performance overall. tl;dr A failbawks war/sam won't outparse the pc war/sam that has a proper spellcast, even given the exact same gear. The delay/limits in switching sets, and other human errors such as reaction time are too great for the failbawks. Right, and by all rights when you have the means to play the game above and beyond the limits the developers put into the game(ps2 limitations, etc), of course you'll pull ahead. Of course the war/sam with Spellcast, or *insert X plug in here* is going to do better, otherwise those plug ins and apps would be pointless. I play on xbox with some RL friends, and we use voice chat on it. Definitely way more limited than Vent or anything PC based, since we can only talk to other xbox users, but for what we do, it gets the job done. Odin.Dirtyfinger said: » It may be a tad harsh but at the end of the day it is his linkshell so he can set any rules he wishes. This is absolutely true, and I never contested it. Just asked for clarification. Fenrir.Savoree said: » I agree with all these points. Completely. But again, PC or GTFO? It would be We won't. But apparently they aren't removing console compatibility because a majority of the jp userbase was said to use ps2 according to a survey some millennium ago. That's why since they can't add anything along the lines of a box expansion, they put 98% of their development team into fixing ffxiv, aka ffxi 2.0 sans ps2. If linkshells like this want to advocate getting stubborn people off of their near decade-old consoles then I'm for it, and while the idea that ffxi will get a major overhaul to get another box expansion is unlikely, if it generally improves the player base and eases up on the restrictions of the developers I'm all for it. Carbuncle.Wulfshadow said: » Fenrir.Savoree said: » I agree with all these points. Completely. But again, PC or GTFO? It would be We won't. But apparently they aren't removing console compatibility because a majority of the jp userbase was said to use ps2 according to a survey some millennium ago. That's why since they can't add anything along the lines of a box expansion, they put 98% of their development team into fixing ffxiv, aka ffxi 2.0 sans ps2. If linkshells like this want to advocate getting stubborn people off of their near decade-old consoles then I'm for it, and while the idea that ffxi will get a major overhaul to get another box expansion is unlikely, if it generally improves the player base and eases up on the restrictions of the developers I'm all for it. This game hardly taxes what the xbox can do. Sure, it's a 5 year old console that wasn't that great in the first place, but it hardly has trouble running a ps2 game. Now, the absurdity that is Xbox Live is a whole other issue(MS servers, etc), but on a technical level, xbox isn't holding anything back. Edit: less snarky If there's an aspect of the xbox-360 system (be it means of connection (xbox live), hard drive, graphics card, whatever) that interferes with progression and expansion, they're inhibiting the majority of the player-base that's on a by far more flexible system.
In other words, if there's any hoops they need jump around to accommodate/incorporate xbox into anything added then it's just in the same pit as ps2, maybe not as far in, but it's only a matter of time. That's why people are concerned about ffxiv and ps3, eventually ps3 will become the next ps2 in that scenario. You don't see Blizzard making WoW II because they can't add any more to the Sega Dreamcast right? I could add 10 more paragraphs like yours, Wolf, and I would agree with them.
But is this not why the OP administered this rule. He is saying that a console players performance is so inferior to a PC player they will not even consider them. Most of us currently play with a friend, LS member who plays on a console. Make sure to tell them to GTFO. Fenrir.Savoree said: » I could add 10 more paragraphs like yours, Wolf, and I would agree with them. But is this not why the OP administered this rule. He is saying that a console players performance is so inferior to a PC player they will not even consider them. Most of us currently play with a friend, LS member who plays on a console. Make sure to tell them to GTFO.  Hehe. That thumbs up guy is making me laugh.
I wish I had his food. Fenrir.Savoree said: » I could add 10 more paragraphs like yours, Wolf, and I would agree with them. But is this not why the OP administered this rule. He is saying that a console players performance is so inferior to a PC player they will not even consider them. Most of us currently play with a friend, LS member who plays on a console. Make sure to tell them to GTFO. Sure I did all right but at times I was spamming through 3 macros for 1 spell, it's incredibly inefficient and your performance as a player on this game is much improved by using windower/scripts. I don't think anyone here is arguing you can't be a good player on a console just that being on a PC will cause a noticable improvement, I know I for one would never want to go back to 6 line macros, no spellcast and no scripts. Let's be realistic for a moment. We're talking about a near-decade old MMO that was designed for play on a console that's nearing 2 generations old(new PS in the works, etc). While I don't doubt that this game still has a couple years of play left in it, the idea that SE is going to magically overhaul this entire game and create a "PC-onry utopia of the true vision of Vana'diel" is absurd. The elitism that still permeates through some of this community is really dated, and antiquated.
You want a higher caliber of players for your select clique, that's fine and dandy. But, perfectly solid players exist on all platforms. Plenty of terrible players play on PC, too. They've developed an entirely new MMO since this came out, does anyone really think FFXI is even a blip on SE's radar? The player base is dwindling. Most stores don't even carry discs for new players anymore. Be happy people are even playing this game, despite whatever platform they choose to play it on. Carbuncle.Wulfshadow said: » If there's an aspect of the xbox-360 system (be it means of connection (xbox live), hard drive, graphics card, whatever) that interferes with progression and expansion, they're inhibiting the majority of the player-base that's on a by far more flexible system. In other words, if there's any hoops they need jump around to accommodate/incorporate xbox into anything added then it's just in the same pit as ps2, maybe not as far in, but it's only a matter of time. That's why people are concerned about ffxiv and ps3, eventually ps3 will become the next ps2 in that scenario. You don't see Blizzard making WoW II because they can't add any more to the Sega Dreamcast right? I could be wrong, since I'm totally just pulling this from memory, but Blizzard did indeed try to make WoW on consoles. I think it was something with Microsoft's legal handling that prevented it from happening. Again, I could be way off on this. And when the day comes, if it ever comes, that a developer from SE flat out says "xbox limitations", I'll make the move to PC. If I'm even still playing this by then. Cerberus.Tidis said: » I don't think anyone here is arguing you can't be a good player on a console just that being on a PC will cause a noticable improvement, I know I for one would never want to go back to 6 line macros, no spellcast and no scripts. Actually, that's exactly being argued here. For the OP's LS, console players are prohibited from even applying. And again, OF COURSE your play on PC(if using plugins) will improve, you're playing outside of the original limits of the game(and yes I am too, by using this site). Cerberus.Tidis said: » Console players are inferior, I've always played on PC but for the longest time I did it without any of the percieved benefits so no windower, 6 line macros, everything a console player has to live with. Sure I did all right but at times I was spamming through 3 macros for 1 spell, it's incredibly inefficient and your performance as a player on this game is much improved by using windower/scripts. I don't think anyone here is arguing you can't be a good player on a console just that being on a PC will cause a noticable improvement, I know I for one would never want to go back to 6 line macros, no spellcast and no scripts. I agree, Tidis. I agree. All good points to make. But again: PC or GTFU? Are PC users so superior to consoles players as not to even be considered anymore? Maybe since most of FFXI 'bottom feeders' tend to be console players, the OP is eliminating them by eliminating all console players in general? idk... /shrugs again Fenrir.Savoree said: » Cerberus.Tidis said: » Console players are inferior, I've always played on PC but for the longest time I did it without any of the percieved benefits so no windower, 6 line macros, everything a console player has to live with. Sure I did all right but at times I was spamming through 3 macros for 1 spell, it's incredibly inefficient and your performance as a player on this game is much improved by using windower/scripts. I don't think anyone here is arguing you can't be a good player on a console just that being on a PC will cause a noticable improvement, I know I for one would never want to go back to 6 line macros, no spellcast and no scripts. I agree, Tidis. I agree. All good points to make. But again: PC or GTFU? Are PC users so superior to consoles players as not to even be considered anymore? Maybe since most of FFXI 'bottom feeders' tend to be console players, the OP is eliminating them by eliminating all console players in general? idk... /shrugs again I dual box one toon on a PC, and one on a Xbox. I guess whichever one I play on the Xbox tonight will fail, and the one I place on the PC will be the most glorious awe inspiring omnipotent toon in FFXI.
Dang, now I have to decide between my two favorite characters. Only one will be accepted by the arrogant epeen PC players, and the other will be downgraded to newb status. Whatever happened to "this is really a fun game, let's go have a blast tonight"? Cerberus.Tidis said: » Fenrir.Savoree said: » Cerberus.Tidis said: » Console players are inferior, I've always played on PC but for the longest time I did it without any of the percieved benefits so no windower, 6 line macros, everything a console player has to live with. Sure I did all right but at times I was spamming through 3 macros for 1 spell, it's incredibly inefficient and your performance as a player on this game is much improved by using windower/scripts. I don't think anyone here is arguing you can't be a good player on a console just that being on a PC will cause a noticable improvement, I know I for one would never want to go back to 6 line macros, no spellcast and no scripts. I agree, Tidis. I agree. All good points to make. But again: PC or GTFU? Are PC users so superior to consoles players as not to even be considered anymore? Maybe since most of FFXI 'bottom feeders' tend to be console players, the OP is eliminating them by eliminating all console players in general? idk... /shrugs again If they ask you to get on mumble to merely listen, and you can't, I think they'll know. Fenrir.Kelyn said: » I dual box one toon on a PC, and one on a Xbox. I guess whichever one I play on the Xbox tonight will fail, and the one I place on the PC will be the most glorious awe inspiring omnipotent toon in FFXI. Dang, now I have to decide between my two favorite characters. Only one will be accepted by the arrogant epeen PC players, and the other will be downgraded to newb status. Whatever happened to "this is really a fun game, let's go have a blast tonight"? I do the exact same thing as my whm mule is on xbox, and yea it does fail considering I know what I could do with it if it was on pc. For me to do what I could easily do on pc with this account would require hitting 6 macros a time just to cure myself while I tank on my main. Somewhat inconvenient, and ultimately I cannot do it so the 6 line macro setup penalizes me. Spellcast/Windower macros augment the user. If the user is creative and skilled, their setups will reflect that and improve upon their efficiency. If they're not, it will still improve, but not to the same degree.
That said, a crappy/mediocre spellcast user is still trumped by a skilled 6-line user. Wow, I missed a bunch here apparently.
Regarding our PC requirement, this is primarily because we use Mumble for communication to the exclusion of anything else. Players without access to PC voice communication will not have any idea what to do about anything. They will not know what our plans are, they will not hear requests and, most importantly, they will not hear us if we're trying to tell them something that they need to know *right now*. If even one person forgets to turn on Mumble, or just doesn't bother, it becomes immediately obvious when they're sitting around in Port Jeuno wondering where everybody went or they're standing in range of an AoE move that everyone else knew to get out of range of ages ago. I don't care if people don't talk. We have members who are unable to use their microphones due to not wanting to wake their roommates. That's fine. I just want everyone to be able to hear us when we're talking. Like I mentioned in the OP, we hold all players to the same standards regardless of platform or tool usage. If an Xbox 360 player could access Mumble and perform at an acceptable level despite their massive UI/macro limitations, I'd personally have no problem at all playing with them. I don't mind giving people chances. The opus is on the player to prove that they are able to keep up with the rest of the group, however. Frankly, we really don't take the game too seriously. Our advertised standards are high because we want to keep the number of junk applications we receive to a minimum, and because we want to maintain an environment that good, solid players actually want to be in. No matter how good a shell's core is, being in it can become extremely frustrating if excessively weak players maintain membership. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, after all. I do not want to foster situations where people consistently blame weak members for any sort of failing. That's unhealthy for the shell, and that's especially unhealthy for the weak members. Some people would most certainly be a better fit in other linkshells. That's for their benefit as much as our own. Double post, but as a minor update we're primarily looking for people with the following jobs available:
Bard, Black Mage, Ranger, Summoner We will also look at players with strong Blue Mages and Dancers, though we are primarily searching for the 4 previous jobs in order to get current members with strong Blue Mages and Dancers onto them in the first place. As in my last update, we will still at least try out most qualified players regardless of job. We have quite a few members with several well-geared jobs who are capable of changing roles around if the opportunity presents itself. Odin.Dirtyfinger said: » I do the exact same thing as my whm mule is on xbox, and yea it does fail considering I know what I could do with it if it was on pc. For me to do what I could easily do on pc with this account would require hitting 6 macros a time just to cure myself while I tank on my main. Somewhat inconvenient, and ultimately I cannot do it so the 6 line macro setup penalizes me. You can have 2+ windower windows up on the game at once. Alt+tabbing between the 2 would likely be a lot faster than having to take your hands off the keyboard to grab an xbox controller. It's not like you're going to be hitting buttons on both machines at the same time anyway unless you have 4 arms.
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