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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-01 08:57:31
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New Ninetales is Ice/Fairy. Dragon killer.

It's time old Ninetales becomes Fire/Psychic.
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By Ragnarok.Rydal 2016-08-01 09:13:11
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The new forms are ridiculous!!! Interesting that they're ice types. I wonder how many other old Pokemon will receive similar treatment.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-01 09:17:13
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Should've just given Ninetales a mega imo.
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By Phoenix.Brixy 2016-08-01 09:20:32
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Oricorio is easily one of my new favorites. I like Pokemon with different forms and it's a dancer! Has a great ability to copy dragon/quiver/swords dance for free also.
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By Ragnarok.Rydal 2016-08-01 09:28:08
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Should've just given Ninetales a mega imo.

Idk. They look cute. Also, Mega Rapidash. Either Fire/Fairy with Levitate or Fire/Flying (pegasus).

I hope the new dancing bird doesn't suck. So many new forms! And not just new pokemon! It's exciting!

Edit: With the 4 Island challenges, does that mean gym leaders aren't a thing in this region? Or is this an added feature?
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By Leon Kasai 2016-08-01 09:29:30
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I have waited so long for variants like the Delta Species Pokemon to make it into the games. So happy right now. @_@
Also Alolan Sandshrew looks like he's wearing a comfy coat. It's adorable.

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New Pokemon Form called "Alola form", it's like Mega, but called Alola.
It's nothing like Mega Evolution; they're just different forms only found in specific regions.
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Pokémon Adapted to the Alola Region

Some Pokémon have adapted to the distinctive microclimates of the Alola region, taking on different forms than they have in other regions. These Pokémon are called regional variants. Taking root in the Alola region, they live like native Pokémon. Regional variant Pokémon can have different appearances and types, and their ways of living can also differ from that of the forms previously known.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-01 09:35:25
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Ragnarok.Rydal said: »
They look cute.
Definitely but I am kinda set on my classic Ninetales.

Leon Kasai said: »
It's nothing like Mega Evolution; they're just different forms only found in specific regions.

They're basically like the slug things from B&W; just different from different areas, not mega.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-01 09:36:53
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Still, if the new Ninetales is dual type, could this mean the old one will be dual type too? Fire/Psychic, Fire/Fairy, or maybe even Fire/Ghost?
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By Siren.Novadragon 2016-08-01 10:16:19
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Alola Sandshrew/Sandslash are Steel/Ice.
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By Leon Kasai 2016-08-01 10:22:06
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Possible we might get a fire-type Marowak.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-01 10:25:44
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Fire/Ground type you mean.

Another volcano Pokemon.
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By Ragnarok.Rydal 2016-08-01 11:16:38
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Rhyhorn/don would be better suited for Ground/Fire or Rock/Fire. They LIVE in magma.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-01 11:22:08
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To be honest, Marowak could use a 3rd evolution.
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2016-08-01 11:59:46
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I dig all of the things for the new games so far.
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By Siren.Novadragon 2016-08-01 12:00:22
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There's a White Tauros. Fairy type? Shiny Tauros is lime.

Edit: Possible Grass Type instead of fairy, it's fur tails are dark green except middle one is grey.

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-01 12:06:06
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Anyone else notice the Executor giving us the "awesome" troll face?

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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-01 12:24:41
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Looks like a normal Tauros to me.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-01 12:27:02
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Looks like a normal Tauros to me.


Edit: That white portion at the scruff might be part of the saddle.

But going by the head and the horns, it's a different color.
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By Siren.Novadragon 2016-08-01 12:27:55
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-01 14:16:46
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I've made it pretty clear that I'm a fan of Vulpix and Ninetales, this new form is cool but it brings to mind a few things; Alola-native Ninetales will be a dragon killer most likely with Ice/Fairy typing. My question is whether or not they will boost the Kanto-native Ninetales too, possibly add a subtype.

I think a few things should be added to the old Ninetales, for starters Fire/Ghost typing.

Ice/Fairy sounds pretty squishy or brittle to me but to counter that, giving old Ninetales /Ghost adds defensive capabilities against Fighting and Normal as well as immunity to traps. New = glass cannon, old = evasive tank. They'd counter each other.

Ghost subtyping would also fit in with the kitsuné reference as the legends speak of a fire wielding spirit fox.

Additionally, it'd be nice to see the following moves added to Ninetales:

Curse: Ninetales are said to place curses and be vengeful, they get Grudge and Hex but no Curse? Added Ghost effect with subtype.

Night Shade: Ninetales is shown in the anime to be capable of projecting illusions, which is what Night Shade is; a scary illusion.

Shadow Claw: Token physical attack.

Shadow Ball: I thought Ninetales got this in Generation 2 but I'm not sure why it doesn't. No real reason for this, just no real reason not to.
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By Bismarck.Misao 2016-08-01 14:20:08
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Much more hyped for the sandshrew/sandslash, since he was my fav on the original R/B, a mean crit machine.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-01 14:29:02
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If they add a subtype to Ninetails, it's got to counter it's Aloha form.

Ice/Fairy vs. Fire, Fire always win.

So, to counter it, it needs something that ice and fairy can take out, which is dragon.

I "could" see it getting a dragon subtype, but it doesn't feel dragony to me. Maybe ground?

Fire/Ghost may work. I don't remember, is Fairy type super against Ghost? I know Fairy isn't effective against Fire.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-01 14:43:35
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
If they add a subtype to Ninetails, it's got to counter it's Aloha form.

Ice/Fairy vs. Fire, Fire always win.

So, to counter it, it needs something that ice and fairy can take out, which is dragon.

I "could" see it getting a dragon subtype, but it doesn't feel dragony to me. Maybe ground?

Fire/Ghost may work. I don't remember, is Fairy type super against Ghost? I know Fairy isn't effective against Fire.
Ghost doesn't resist Fairy iirc.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-01 14:47:34
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
If they add a subtype to Ninetails, it's got to counter it's Aloha form.

Ice/Fairy vs. Fire, Fire always win.

So, to counter it, it needs something that ice and fairy can take out, which is dragon.

I "could" see it getting a dragon subtype, but it doesn't feel dragony to me. Maybe ground?

Fire/Ghost may work. I don't remember, is Fairy type super against Ghost? I know Fairy isn't effective against Fire.
Ghost doesn't resist Fairy iirc.
What about the other way around? Is Fairy super against Ghost?

Original Ninetails > Aloha Ninetails in typing at the moment.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-01 15:06:22
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
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If they add a subtype to Ninetails, it's got to counter it's Aloha form.

Ice/Fairy vs. Fire, Fire always win.

So, to counter it, it needs something that ice and fairy can take out, which is dragon.

I "could" see it getting a dragon subtype, but it doesn't feel dragony to me. Maybe ground?

Fire/Ghost may work. I don't remember, is Fairy type super against Ghost? I know Fairy isn't effective against Fire.
Ghost doesn't resist Fairy iirc.
What about the other way around? Is Fairy super against Ghost?

Original Ninetails > Aloha Ninetails in typing at the moment.
No.
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By Ragnarok.Rydal 2016-08-02 08:15:19
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Icetales is superior offensively. Defensively...

New Ninetales vs Bullet Punch

That Tauros is definitely a different color than normal/shiny
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-02 08:23:52
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I think the Tauros' color is just due to art style and shading.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-02 08:31:56
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
If they add a subtype to Ninetails, it's got to counter it's Aloha form.

Ice/Fairy vs. Fire, Fire always win.

So, to counter it, it needs something that ice and fairy can take out, which is dragon.

I "could" see it getting a dragon subtype, but it doesn't feel dragony to me. Maybe ground?

Fire/Ghost may work. I don't remember, is Fairy type super against Ghost? I know Fairy isn't effective against Fire.
Ghost doesn't resist Fairy iirc.
What about the other way around? Is Fairy super against Ghost?

Original Ninetails > Aloha Ninetails in typing at the moment.
No.
To elaborate; No, Fairy isn't super effective against Ghost but that isn't the point. I'm talking about the two bring more viable fighters. In Ice/Fairy Alola Ninetales has a niche as a dragon killer in additional to taking a super effective Fighting move on the cheek and blasting a Fighting opponent with a Fairy type move to counter it. The type setup will be very powerful. You're comparing new to old, that isn't the point. New > old in general due to dual typing. Old > new vs. each other just because of fire. Old Ninetales needs to be more competitive in general to complement the new Ninetales.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-02 09:12:12
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
If they add a subtype to Ninetails, it's got to counter it's Aloha form.

Ice/Fairy vs. Fire, Fire always win.

So, to counter it, it needs something that ice and fairy can take out, which is dragon.

I "could" see it getting a dragon subtype, but it doesn't feel dragony to me. Maybe ground?

Fire/Ghost may work. I don't remember, is Fairy type super against Ghost? I know Fairy isn't effective against Fire.
Ghost doesn't resist Fairy iirc.
What about the other way around? Is Fairy super against Ghost?

Original Ninetails > Aloha Ninetails in typing at the moment.
No.
To elaborate; No, Fairy isn't super effective against Ghost but that isn't the point. I'm talking about the two bring more viable fighters. In Ice/Fairy Alola Ninetales has a niche as a dragon killer in additional to taking a super effective Fighting move on the cheek and blasting a Fighting opponent with a Fairy type move to counter it. The type setup will be very powerful. You're comparing new to old, that isn't the point. New > old in general due to dual typing. Old > new vs. each other just because of fire. Old Ninetales needs to be more competitive in general to complement the new Ninetales.
I'll agree with you on your analysis.

Question though is: Do we really need yet another dragon killer? Ever since the advent of the Fairy type, Dragon isn't as powerful as it once was.

Now we have another Dragon Killer, and this time, it's a dual killer?

This typing will empower Rock types, especially Stealth Rock users, more.
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By Ragnarok.Rydal 2016-08-02 09:19:26
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Don't pretend like dragons went from strongest type to weakest. Dragons still dominate Pokemon. Most of them just have to carry Poison or Steel moves to make sure they're not getting their day wrecked. Dragonite, Salamence, pretty much every dragon legendary are all still powerhouses.
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