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 Shiva.Flionheart
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-09 23:06:41
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Do you agree with the death penalty? Personally I'm not sure... I mean I used to be dead set against the death penalty, but do some people deserve to live after what they do?
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-03-09 23:07:43
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flion i'm trying to pry myself away from interwebs and do work ;;

Y U MAK IT SO HARD
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By Lakshmi.Ashido 2011-03-09 23:08:30
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An eye for an Eye, If you kill , we feed you to a shark. with friggen lazers on their heads.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-09 23:08:38
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I'm sorry sev :(
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By Asura.Calatilla 2011-03-09 23:09:02
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Do you agree with the death penalty? Personally I'm not sure... I mean I used to be dead set against the death penalty, but do some people deserve to live after what they do?

Really depends what they did and if it's 100% without a doubt proven that they did it.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-09 23:09:05
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Lakshmi.Ashido said:
An eye for an Eye, If you kill , we feed you to a shark. with friggen lazers on their heads.

But isn't killing barbaric? Are we any better if we stoop to their levels?
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-03-09 23:10:15
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Personally I am for the death penalty

I even think that some deserve worse than just a needle in the arm

Rapists and murderers of children, including people who got abortions and abortionists, deserve the worst pain possible

and i can't believe some people are for abortion but not the death penalty

you would kill an innocent child but not a murderer?

i mean wtf?
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-09 23:11:31
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Bahamut.Lolserj said:
Personally I am for the death penalty

I even think that some deserve worse than just a needle in the arm

Rapists and murderers of children, including people who got abortions and abortionists, deserve the worst pain possible

and i can't believe some people are for abortion but not the death penalty

you would kill an innocent child but not a murderer?

i mean wtf?

that's a good point haste, It's hypocritical to kill a child, but then not put a criminal to death.
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By Cerberus.Nostylin 2011-03-09 23:12:22
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Death is too kind.
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By Titan.Prefalin 2011-03-09 23:12:34
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Bahamut.Lolserj said:
Personally I am for the death penalty

I even think that some deserve worse than just a needle in the arm

Rapists and murderers of children, including people who got abortions and abortionists, deserve the worst pain possible

and i can't believe some people are for abortion but not the death penalty

you would kill an innocent child but not a murderer?

i mean wtf?
^this^
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By Asura.Matzilla 2011-03-09 23:12:56
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Lakshmi.Ashido said:
An eye for an Eye, If you kill , we feed you to a shark. with friggen lazers on their heads.

But isn't killing barbaric? Are we any better if we stoop to their levels?

we kill brown people every day in the middle east over dat oil, nobody says thats barbaric
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2011-03-09 23:14:41
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Yes and no.. I have no problem with it, but I think it's stupid that it's the ultimate punishment. You don't make someone suffer by taking their life, you make them suffer by knowing they'll die in the hell hole that is prison. The ones on death row don't get the general treatment though, they mostly stay caged by themselves, so it's not really the same, even though they'll spend a good portion of their life in that hole.

It just doesn't make sense to me, at least as everyone (around here, in Texas) tries to play it off.. They try and act like they're doing the world a favor and it's vengeance, but really all they care about is the money.

Also, what's all this lethal injection go to sleep ***.. If you want to put someone to death, I say re-enact on them what they put their victims through.

Or let's just roll back the times about 2,000 years and put them in the Colosseum, to fight against each other, only they're criminals and not slaves, so they'll never have the chance to win their freedom, all they win, is another days breath.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-09 23:15:06
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Cerberus.Nostylin said:
Death is too kind.
This. What we really need to do is either find a way to make the person hope they were dead... then go way way way further than that till they completely learn their lesson... or find a way to repeatidly kill them in the most brutal fashions and keep them alive like a short story I once read...

But as things are right now sometimes it's just more cost efficient when it's clear normal methods cannot rehabilitate them.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-03-09 23:15:12
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Asura.Matzilla said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Lakshmi.Ashido said:
An eye for an Eye, If you kill , we feed you to a shark. with friggen lazers on their heads.

But isn't killing barbaric? Are we any better if we stoop to their levels?

we kill brown people every day in the middle east over dat oil, nobody says thats barbaric

*** dey brown tho
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By Odin.Liela 2011-03-09 23:16:28
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I think if people could prove 100% beyond the shadow of the slightest doubt that the guilty person is indeed guilty, then the death penalty would be ok for the sake of protecting others from said guilty person if the crime was horrific enough. Even if there was a 100% positive way to be sure of guilt or innocence, the crimes would have to be extremely awful to kill the criminal.

However, since the system is not perfect and innocent people sometimes do get convicted (not often, I'm sure, but sometimes), I would be horrified at the thought of putting an innocent person to death.

If it was cheaper, I would say the best option for punishing terrible crimes is life in prison without parole. That seems worse than death to me anyways, plus without the moral uncertainties behind actually killing the person.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-09 23:17:46
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Odin.Liela said:
I think if people could prove 100% beyond the shadow of the slightest doubt that the guilty person is indeed guilty, then the death penalty would be ok for the sake of protecting others from said guilty person if the crime was horrific enough. Even if there was a 100% positive way to be sure of guilt or innocence, the crimes would have to be extremely awful to kill the criminal.

However, since the system is not perfect and innocent people sometimes do get convicted (not often, I'm sure, but sometimes), I would be horrified at the thought of putting an innocent person to death.

If it was cheaper, I would say the best option for punishing terrible crimes is life in prison without parole. That seems worse than death to me anyways, plus without the moral uncertainties behind actually killing the person.

The death sentence is actually more expensive than keeping them alive in prison for life lol.
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By Odin.Liela 2011-03-09 23:19:48
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Odin.Liela said:
I think if people could prove 100% beyond the shadow of the slightest doubt that the guilty person is indeed guilty, then the death penalty would be ok for the sake of protecting others from said guilty person if the crime was horrific enough. Even if there was a 100% positive way to be sure of guilt or innocence, the crimes would have to be extremely awful to kill the criminal.

However, since the system is not perfect and innocent people sometimes do get convicted (not often, I'm sure, but sometimes), I would be horrified at the thought of putting an innocent person to death.

If it was cheaper, I would say the best option for punishing terrible crimes is life in prison without parole. That seems worse than death to me anyways, plus without the moral uncertainties behind actually killing the person.

The death sentence is actually more expensive than keeping them alive in prison for life lol.

That's because we are too concerned with not causing them any pain. Honestly, if someone has done something so terrible that they deserve death, why bother with making them all warm, snuggly, and comfortable for their last moments? Goodness sake. If they are that bad, then just shoot them in the back of the head. Quick, painless, and much cheaper.
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2011-03-09 23:20:12
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Odin.Liela said:
I think if people could prove 100% beyond the shadow of the slightest doubt that the guilty person is indeed guilty, then the death penalty would be ok for the sake of protecting others from said guilty person if the crime was horrific enough. Even if there was a 100% positive way to be sure of guilt or innocence, the crimes would have to be extremely awful to kill the criminal.

However, since the system is not perfect and innocent people sometimes do get convicted (not often, I'm sure, but sometimes), I would be horrified at the thought of putting an innocent person to death.

If it was cheaper, I would say the best option for punishing terrible crimes is life in prison without parole. That seems worse than death to me anyways, plus without the moral uncertainties behind actually killing the person.

The death sentence is actually more expensive than keeping them alive in prison for life lol.
Inb4 no it's not. <_< I'm here to say yes it is, when you figure in all the appeals and ***, and you can say well take that away, but if you do that, why even have the initial trial, just shoot them as soon as they're accused of murder. Either way you'd still be executing innocent people.
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-03-09 23:20:47
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Valefor.Slipispsycho said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Odin.Liela said:
I think if people could prove 100% beyond the shadow of the slightest doubt that the guilty person is indeed guilty, then the death penalty would be ok for the sake of protecting others from said guilty person if the crime was horrific enough. Even if there was a 100% positive way to be sure of guilt or innocence, the crimes would have to be extremely awful to kill the criminal.

However, since the system is not perfect and innocent people sometimes do get convicted (not often, I'm sure, but sometimes), I would be horrified at the thought of putting an innocent person to death.

If it was cheaper, I would say the best option for punishing terrible crimes is life in prison without parole. That seems worse than death to me anyways, plus without the moral uncertainties behind actually killing the person.

The death sentence is actually more expensive than keeping them alive in prison for life lol.
Inb4 no it's not. <_< I'm here to say yes it is, when you figure in all the appeals and ***, and you can say well take that away, but if you do that, why even have the initial trial, just shoot them as soon as they're accused of murder. Either way you'd still be executing innocent people.

and bullets are cheap
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By Titan.Prefalin 2011-03-09 23:20:50
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Cerberus.Nostylin said:
Death is too kind.
This. What we really need to do is either find a way to make the person hope they were dead... then go way way way further than that till they completely learn their lesson... or find a way to repeatidly kill them in the most brutal fashions and keep them alive like a short story I once read...

But as things are right now sometimes it's just more cost efficient when it's clear normal methods cannot rehabilitate them.
torture them?
*gets car battery and cables*
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2011-03-09 23:21:34
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Odin.Liela said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Odin.Liela said:
I think if people could prove 100% beyond the shadow of the slightest doubt that the guilty person is indeed guilty, then the death penalty would be ok for the sake of protecting others from said guilty person if the crime was horrific enough. Even if there was a 100% positive way to be sure of guilt or innocence, the crimes would have to be extremely awful to kill the criminal.

However, since the system is not perfect and innocent people sometimes do get convicted (not often, I'm sure, but sometimes), I would be horrified at the thought of putting an innocent person to death.

If it was cheaper, I would say the best option for punishing terrible crimes is life in prison without parole. That seems worse than death to me anyways, plus without the moral uncertainties behind actually killing the person.

The death sentence is actually more expensive than keeping them alive in prison for life lol.

That's because we are too concerned with not causing them any pain. Honestly, if someone has done something so terrible that they deserve death, why bother with making them all warm, snuggly, and comfortable for their last moments? Goodness sake. If they are that bad, then just shoot them in the back of the head. Quick, painless, and much cheaper.
There's another way that everyone ignores. Nitrogen is extremely abundant, and painless. If you are just to suffocate someone, they feel the pain, but someone breathing in pure nitrogen wouldn't feel anything except drowsiness.
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By Asura.Domz 2011-03-09 23:21:52
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didnt we have a thread like this already?
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By Ragnarok.Zanno 2011-03-09 23:22:22
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Odin.Liela said:
I think if people could prove 100% beyond the shadow of the slightest doubt that the guilty person is indeed guilty, then the death penalty would be ok for the sake of protecting others from said guilty person if the crime was horrific enough. Even if there was a 100% positive way to be sure of guilt or innocence, the crimes would have to be extremely awful to kill the criminal.

However, since the system is not perfect and innocent people sometimes do get convicted (not often, I'm sure, but sometimes), I would be horrified at the thought of putting an innocent person to death.

If it was cheaper, I would say the best option for punishing terrible crimes is life in prison without parole. That seems worse than death to me anyways, plus without the moral uncertainties behind actually killing the person.

The death sentence is actually more expensive than keeping them alive in prison for life lol.

It wouldn't be if they actually got killed right after the trial.

Trial > Guilty > Dead

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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-09 23:22:44
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Odin.Liela said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Odin.Liela said:
I think if people could prove 100% beyond the shadow of the slightest doubt that the guilty person is indeed guilty, then the death penalty would be ok for the sake of protecting others from said guilty person if the crime was horrific enough. Even if there was a 100% positive way to be sure of guilt or innocence, the crimes would have to be extremely awful to kill the criminal.

However, since the system is not perfect and innocent people sometimes do get convicted (not often, I'm sure, but sometimes), I would be horrified at the thought of putting an innocent person to death.

If it was cheaper, I would say the best option for punishing terrible crimes is life in prison without parole. That seems worse than death to me anyways, plus without the moral uncertainties behind actually killing the person.

The death sentence is actually more expensive than keeping them alive in prison for life lol.

That's because we are too concerned with not causing them any pain. Honestly, if someone has done something so terrible that they deserve death, why bother with making them all warm, snuggly, and comfortable for their last moments? Goodness sake. If they are that bad, then just shoot them in the back of the head. Quick, painless, and much cheaper.

It's the appeals that cost, and those are the very thing that stop the death penalty becoming some bureaucrat's personal weapon.
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By Asura.Matzilla 2011-03-09 23:22:53
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Odin.Liela said:
I would be horrified at the thought of putting an innocent person to death.


o like the 60,000-100,000 civilians killed in the iraq war
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2011-03-09 23:23:05
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Ragnarok.Zanno said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Odin.Liela said:
I think if people could prove 100% beyond the shadow of the slightest doubt that the guilty person is indeed guilty, then the death penalty would be ok for the sake of protecting others from said guilty person if the crime was horrific enough. Even if there was a 100% positive way to be sure of guilt or innocence, the crimes would have to be extremely awful to kill the criminal.

However, since the system is not perfect and innocent people sometimes do get convicted (not often, I'm sure, but sometimes), I would be horrified at the thought of putting an innocent person to death.

If it was cheaper, I would say the best option for punishing terrible crimes is life in prison without parole. That seems worse than death to me anyways, plus without the moral uncertainties behind actually killing the person.

The death sentence is actually more expensive than keeping them alive in prison for life lol.

It wouldn't be if they actually got killed right after the trial.

Trial > Guilty > Dead

Yes but people are constantly being proven innocent even after conviction, and therein lies the problem.
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By Titan.Prefalin 2011-03-09 23:23:49
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Ragnarok.Zanno said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Odin.Liela said:
I think if people could prove 100% beyond the shadow of the slightest doubt that the guilty person is indeed guilty, then the death penalty would be ok for the sake of protecting others from said guilty person if the crime was horrific enough. Even if there was a 100% positive way to be sure of guilt or innocence, the crimes would have to be extremely awful to kill the criminal.

However, since the system is not perfect and innocent people sometimes do get convicted (not often, I'm sure, but sometimes), I would be horrified at the thought of putting an innocent person to death.

If it was cheaper, I would say the best option for punishing terrible crimes is life in prison without parole. That seems worse than death to me anyways, plus without the moral uncertainties behind actually killing the person.

The death sentence is actually more expensive than keeping them alive in prison for life lol.

It wouldn't be if they actually got killed right after the trial.

Trial > Guilty > Dead

well one of the drugs they used in the injection the maker of it closed down i think or something like that dont have the article anymore since i installed a new OS :(
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By Fenrir.Momohko 2011-03-09 23:24:01
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Cerberus.Nostylin said:
Death is too kind.


This lol also another thing is while I don't beleive they deserver to die as its the easy way out they shouldnt be living it up in prisons... make em work make em do hella work I feel they have way to many righs in prisons dont let them have nice lil cell places to sleep hell make em sleep outside in tents for all I care idk making them stay alive and have what they did haunt them their whole lives I think would be worse. As I think someone else stated death penalty is about money.

Regarding abortions what if a girl is raped... If she is raped do you honestly expect her to carry that rapists child give birth to that child and such? especially consider if that girl is a teenager she is a child also this sort of thing to me is very situational. If someone is a *** just *** in the air everywhere they go getting pregnant and aborting left and right, now that is terrible and disgusting. But if someone has something terrible and traumatic happen to them to make them suffer more is just not right, also who is to say one life is more valuable then the other?
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-09 23:24:11
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Ragnarok.Zanno said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Odin.Liela said:
I think if people could prove 100% beyond the shadow of the slightest doubt that the guilty person is indeed guilty, then the death penalty would be ok for the sake of protecting others from said guilty person if the crime was horrific enough. Even if there was a 100% positive way to be sure of guilt or innocence, the crimes would have to be extremely awful to kill the criminal.

However, since the system is not perfect and innocent people sometimes do get convicted (not often, I'm sure, but sometimes), I would be horrified at the thought of putting an innocent person to death.

If it was cheaper, I would say the best option for punishing terrible crimes is life in prison without parole. That seems worse than death to me anyways, plus without the moral uncertainties behind actually killing the person.

The death sentence is actually more expensive than keeping them alive in prison for life lol.

It wouldn't be if they actually got killed right after the trial.

Trial > Guilty > Dead


It's too unsafe
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-03-09 23:24:32
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am i the only one who thinks that they also need to toughen up the penalties for committing lesser crimes?

some of the ***that happens today may be because of how lenient our system is

I mean they essentially get free meals for robbing people or driving drunk
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