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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-02-17 11:18:57
Sylph.Liltrouble said: According to some middle eastern cults, it was actually God that created hell. However, contrary to the bible and some other popular religious tomes, it was two, and not one angel that was banned to Hell. Lucifer, originally, for opposing the creation of the universe, then Asmodeus (aslo known as Behezubulb) for opposing the creation of man.
When i saw the movie Constantine. I just saw things very differently.
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-02-17 11:19:38
Bismarck.Angeleus said: Sylph.Liltrouble said: According to some middle eastern cults, it was actually God that created hell. However, contrary to the bible and some other popular religious tomes, it was two, and not one angel that was banned to Hell. Lucifer, originally, for opposing the creation of the universe, then Asmodeus (aslo known as Behezubulb) for opposing the creation of man.
When i saw the movie Constantine. I just saw things very differently.
Constantine holds more weight than the bible in my eyes
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-02-17 11:20:22
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: committing suicide is a cowardly and overwhelmingly selfish act I'm surprised to see you so close-minded, hopefully it's just the context that's skewing this.
I have no idea why you, or anyone, would consider suicide to a brave or selfless act.
It is cowardly, and selfish. And I'm not "closed-minded" for expressing this truth. I agree fully. Ending your existence here on earth is completely selfish, and obviously not well enough thought out. Doing it as an expression is moronic beyond what words can convey.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-17 11:20:54
Sylph.Liltrouble said: Bismarck.Angeleus said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bismarck.Angeleus said: Sylph.Liltrouble said: Some say that suicide is the purest form of self expression. It's certainly a depressing thought. For those directly involved and for those who even hear of it. I think what's so depressing is what drives a person to this extreme act. We can only speculate. No wonder why Lucifer created hell. Lucifer didn't actually create hell. It was Gabriel!!! According to some middle eastern cults, it was actually God that created hell. However, contrary to the bible and some other popular religious tomes, it was two, and not one angel that was banned to Hell. Lucifer, originally, for opposing the creation of the universe, then Asmodeus (aslo known as Behezubulb) for opposing the creation of man. Nowhere in the Bible is Satan described as ruling over or being in Hell. Throughout the Bible Satan is described as constantly on Earth, and the Book of Revelation says that after Judgment Satan will be cast into Hell.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-02-17 11:22:15
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: committing suicide is a cowardly and overwhelmingly selfish act I'm surprised to see you so close-minded, hopefully it's just the context that's skewing this.
I have no idea why you, or anyone, would consider suicide to a brave or selfless act.
It is cowardly, and selfish. And I'm not "closed-minded" for expressing this truth. depends what type of society you live in and the social norms that surround you.
i'm pretty sure it wasn't seen as cowardly and selfish in other cultures, not saying that you are wrong in all cases with this.
but as everything.
situational is situational.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-02-17 11:24:24
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: committing suicide is a cowardly and overwhelmingly selfish act I'm surprised to see you so close-minded, hopefully it's just the context that's skewing this.
I have no idea why you, or anyone, would consider suicide to a brave or selfless act.
It is cowardly, and selfish. And I'm not "closed-minded" for expressing this truth. I'm gonna be with Elan on this one. One of the 7 deadly sins is Sloth, which in lamens terms means to be lazy and be willing to fail at life. Sloth is broken up into two sub-sins, Acedia (neglect) and Despair. I'm sure most of you who suffer from depression would know the symptoms for Despair which ultimately leads to suicide. And according to God, harming your own body (which is His temple) is the most sinful thing man could do, which in the end leads to the worst kind of punishment in Hell.
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-02-17 11:26:38
Bahamut.Lolserj said: Constantine holds more weight than the bible in my eyes
Word! End of days too. i felt a bit inspire when Arnold drop the machine gun and ask god for help.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-17 11:26:52
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: committing suicide is a cowardly and overwhelmingly selfish act I'm surprised to see you so close-minded, hopefully it's just the context that's skewing this.
I have no idea why you, or anyone, would consider suicide to a brave or selfless act.
It is cowardly, and selfish. And I'm not "closed-minded" for expressing this truth. I'm gonna be with Elan on this one. One of the 7 deadly sins is Sloth, which in lamens terms means to be lazy and be willing to fail at life. Sloth is broken up into two sub-sins, Acedia (neglect) and Despair. I'm sure most of you who suffer from depression would know the symptoms for Despair which ultimately leads to suicide. And according to God, harming your own body (which is His temple) is the most sinful thing man could do, which in the end leads to the worst kind of punishment in Hell.
Because we all act on what the bible tells us.
You people seem to forget that this feels like the ONLY way out. They have nothing else to turn to.
They can't just perk up one day and say "Well wasn't I being silly, let's go for a chinese"
Death feels like peace after lots and lots of anguish.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-02-17 11:27:58
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: committing suicide is a cowardly and overwhelmingly selfish act I'm surprised to see you so close-minded, hopefully it's just the context that's skewing this.
I have no idea why you, or anyone, would consider suicide to a brave or selfless act.
It is cowardly, and selfish. And I'm not "closed-minded" for expressing this truth. I'm gonna be with Elan on this one. One of the 7 deadly sins is Sloth, which in lamens terms means to be lazy and be willing to fail at life. Sloth is broken up into two sub-sins, Acedia (neglect) and Despair. I'm sure most of you who suffer from depression would know the symptoms for Despair which ultimately leads to suicide. And according to God, harming your own body (which is His temple) is the most sinful thing man could do, which in the end leads to the worst kind of punishment in Hell. Seppuku.
/end point.
and also.
different strokes for different folks.
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-02-17 11:32:14
Are we all going to heaven?
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-02-17 11:33:17
Bismarck.Angeleus said: Are we all going to heaven? no, according to The Mormons, everyone is going to Hell except for a chosen few, like 200 ppl or some ***.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-02-17 11:33:36
Bismarck.Angeleus said: Are we all going to heaven? No, heaven is only for dogs
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-02-17 11:34:29
Cerberus.Kalyna said: Bismarck.Angeleus said: Are we all going to heaven? No, heaven is only for dogs
<< Part wolf...
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By Sylph.Washburn 2011-02-17 11:42:54
I see "attempts" and people who really try, but get caught, and people who actually pull it off. I know some people will disagree, but most of the ones I run seem to be associated with mental WEAKNESS, and the inability to cope with emotion, and change in a timely manner.
I run the occasional slicer (teenage chick that cuts herself for attention) but hell more kids resort to running away rather than cutting, but it's all for the same reason.. whether they admit it, ir ever realize it themselves, most people do it for attention.. or they think if they do something to themselves, the'll be able to look at a certain someone suffer.. all the while watching them suffer from outside some imaginary window.
Then you've got folks who have terminal illnesses or who feel like theyre a burden and do it to end the pain... those are the only ones i really ever feel for.
all-in-all, suicide is caused by any number of negative feelings...I've known several people who have done it, and sadly people in my line of work who have done it b/c of a call they ran... or something they've seen... basically.. me boiling it down to a basic starting point of mental weakness and the inability to realize ***happens and you have to move on and learn to adapt.
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By Titan.Wombat 2011-02-17 11:57:45
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: committing suicide is a cowardly and overwhelmingly selfish act I'm surprised to see you so close-minded, hopefully it's just the context that's skewing this.
I have no idea why you, or anyone, would consider suicide to a brave or selfless act.
It is cowardly, and selfish. And I'm not "closed-minded" for expressing this truth. I'm gonna be with Elan on this one. One of the 7 deadly sins is Sloth, which in lamens terms means to be lazy and be willing to fail at life. Sloth is broken up into two sub-sins, Acedia (neglect) and Despair. I'm sure most of you who suffer from depression would know the symptoms for Despair which ultimately leads to suicide. And according to God, harming your own body ( which is His temple) is the most sinful thing man could do, which in the end leads to the worst kind of punishment in Hell. Other than the bolded, none of that is in the Bible. It's all just Catholic Tradition. And, in the Bible, the bolded is only applied to sex (particularly with pagan temple prostitutes), and literally nothing else.
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By Titan.Wombat 2011-02-17 11:59:15
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Nowhere in the Bible is Satan described as ruling over or being in Hell. Throughout the Bible Satan is described as constantly on Earth, and the Book of Revelation says that after Judgment Satan will be cast into Hell.
In parts of Job, Hasatan (The Deceiver) is actually in heaven talking to God.
o.o
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-02-17 12:00:05
I've never had the balls to commit suicide.
Does that make me like a double-coward since I'm too cowardly to take a cowardly way out?
Titan.Wombat said: Shiva.Flionheart said:
Nowhere in the Bible is Satan described as ruling over or being in Hell. Throughout the Bible Satan is described as constantly on Earth, and the Book of Revelation says that after Judgment Satan will be cast into Hell.
In parts of Job, Hasatan (The Deceiver) is actually in heaven talking to God.
o.o yup god allows one of his followers to be punished to prove a point.
yayay :D.
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By Titan.Wombat 2011-02-17 12:03:25
Ramuh.Vinvv said: I've never had the balls to commit suicide.
Does that make me like a double-coward since I'm too cowardly to take a cowardly way out? Sho does.
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Titan.Wombat said: Shiva.Flionheart said:
Nowhere in the Bible is Satan described as ruling over or being in Hell. Throughout the Bible Satan is described as constantly on Earth, and the Book of Revelation says that after Judgment Satan will be cast into Hell.
In parts of Job, Hasatan (The Deceiver) is actually in heaven talking to God.
o.o yup god allows one of his followers to be punished to prove a point.
yayay :D. Sho did.
=D
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-02-17 12:05:34
Titan.Wombat said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: committing suicide is a cowardly and overwhelmingly selfish act I'm surprised to see you so close-minded, hopefully it's just the context that's skewing this.
I have no idea why you, or anyone, would consider suicide to a brave or selfless act.
It is cowardly, and selfish. And I'm not "closed-minded" for expressing this truth. I'm gonna be with Elan on this one. One of the 7 deadly sins is Sloth, which in lamens terms means to be lazy and be willing to fail at life. Sloth is broken up into two sub-sins, Acedia (neglect) and Despair. I'm sure most of you who suffer from depression would know the symptoms for Despair which ultimately leads to suicide. And according to God, harming your own body ( which is His temple) is the most sinful thing man could do, which in the end leads to the worst kind of punishment in Hell. Other than the bolded, none of that is in the Bible. It's all just Catholic Tradition. And, in the Bible, the bolded is only applied to sex (particularly with pagan temple prostitutes), and literally nothing else. Well, I am Catholic, so Im just going with the *** they spoonfed me all those years.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-02-17 12:08:01
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Titan.Wombat said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: committing suicide is a cowardly and overwhelmingly selfish act I'm surprised to see you so close-minded, hopefully it's just the context that's skewing this.
I have no idea why you, or anyone, would consider suicide to a brave or selfless act.
It is cowardly, and selfish. And I'm not "closed-minded" for expressing this truth. I'm gonna be with Elan on this one. One of the 7 deadly sins is Sloth, which in lamens terms means to be lazy and be willing to fail at life. Sloth is broken up into two sub-sins, Acedia (neglect) and Despair. I'm sure most of you who suffer from depression would know the symptoms for Despair which ultimately leads to suicide. And according to God, harming your own body ( which is His temple) is the most sinful thing man could do, which in the end leads to the worst kind of punishment in Hell. Other than the bolded, none of that is in the Bible. It's all just Catholic Tradition. And, in the Bible, the bolded is only applied to sex (particularly with pagan temple prostitutes), and literally nothing else. Well, I am Catholic, so Im just going with the *** they spoonfed me all those years. Catholic tradition =/= bible
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-02-17 12:31:25
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Titan.Wombat said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: committing suicide is a cowardly and overwhelmingly selfish act I'm surprised to see you so close-minded, hopefully it's just the context that's skewing this.
I have no idea why you, or anyone, would consider suicide to a brave or selfless act.
It is cowardly, and selfish. And I'm not "closed-minded" for expressing this truth. I'm gonna be with Elan on this one. One of the 7 deadly sins is Sloth, which in lamens terms means to be lazy and be willing to fail at life. Sloth is broken up into two sub-sins, Acedia (neglect) and Despair. I'm sure most of you who suffer from depression would know the symptoms for Despair which ultimately leads to suicide. And according to God, harming your own body ( which is His temple) is the most sinful thing man could do, which in the end leads to the worst kind of punishment in Hell. Other than the bolded, none of that is in the Bible. It's all just Catholic Tradition. And, in the Bible, the bolded is only applied to sex (particularly with pagan temple prostitutes), and literally nothing else. Well, I am Catholic, so Im just going with the *** they spoonfed me all those years. Catholic tradition =/= bible I didnt mention anything about the bible. I was looking at the poet Dante's Divine Comedy poem.
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By Titan.Wombat 2011-02-17 12:37:57
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: I didnt mention anything about the bible. I was looking at the poet Dante's Divine Comedy poem. I've only read "Inferno" but it was surprisingly entertaining. From a strictly theological standpoint, it's a mess. Still, it's an entertaining mess.
Sort of like Constantine and End of Days, which were mentioned earlier.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-02-17 14:12:16
@Raborn I am truly sorry for your loss. I had a friend make that choice too and it left me wishing I had done something more to help somehow. But I don't think I could have, I never saw it coming. To me he seemed to have it all. He was a handsome kid he had a hot gf, cool parents and was well liked by everyone at school. But in his eyes, he saw his life as an unbearable burden to all those around him. His gf got pregnant, he was failing most of senior classes, he had no job and he just checked out.
His mom had answers for all those problems she would have helped with the baby, he could have gone to summer school, gotten a part time job and everything would have been o.k.
But at the time those problems to him must have seemed insurmountable, he was overwhelmed and he didn't talk about it with anyone. It just all built up and he just imploded and it's such a *** waste. I wish I had some answers but it's been over twenty five years and I still can't make much sense out of it.
again sorry, that's a shitty thing to have to go through.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-02-17 14:19:26
Bismarck.Luces said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bismarck.Luces said: *dispatch*we have an attempted suicide with pills.. Arrive on scene girl is saying shes in a lot of pain and its getting worse. We ask her what she took and how many, she points to the bottle of Tylenol and says the whole thing. The paramedic on scene overviews the medicine and prepares active charcoal, while I do the examination. Shes already showing signs of Jaundice and I alert the paramedic. We finish the examination after loading her in the bus and call the hospital so they can have a doctor ready... to pronounce her dead. There is nothing we can do she took way to much acetaminophen so by the time we got there it was to late to pump her stomach. We inform her and she looses it telling us about how just wanted attention and didn't plan on dieing. Telling a girl that shes dieing, and on top of that a very painful death and there is nothing we can do but let her die and hold her hand as she just can't accept shes dieing, screaming "I'm not suppose to die I just didn't want to be ignored" "I'm not really dieing your just scarring me." "Please stop please tell me I'm not dieing fix me, save me, please I don't want to die I never did". All you can say is sorry your liver is already gone. Thought she could take a bottle of Tylenol and just get her stomached pumped, sorry you will nuke your liver doing this. Ok, one question... Why would you tell her she was going to die? Isn't that kinda mean? I mean yeah it's the truth but if there is truly nothing you can do wouldn't it be nicer to let her hold hope in the last minutes of her life? Knowing is always better than not knowing In this situation I disagree. The amount of stress knowing there is no way you can live is too cruel a thing to put someone through. If she wasn't going to die yeah, but if there is literally nothing anyone can do I think it's far kinder to just let her hold hope.
If anyone did that to me I would make sure I could come back as a ghost just to kill them. It is a far more offensive, rude, and disrespectful to not tell someone they are dieing. If we are trapped in a cave in the middle of no where yeah if you didn't tell me I wouldn't come back and kill you but I would haunt you for a bit. If the girl could have got a hold of herself she could have made some goodbye phone calls at least. I have no idea how somewhere in your head that telling someone their going to be alright as they are dieing is ethically and morally right. We didn't sit there repeating your dieing, reminding her it was basically a 25min *** drive, before she died, trying to get this girl to accept what was happening so should try and square away some stuff before dieing.
Want to know something about EMT's? we can't legally declare someone dead so after the girl died in the bus we had to give her cpr until arriving at the hospital taking her out and continuing cpr until a doctor declares her dead. So we, EMTs, tend to be extremely mentally *** up before ever signing up for the job. W E don't get to play this nice little mommy that shelters you from the realities of the world.I honestly don't know how Flion couldn't understand this.
i'd imagine they try to treat everyone the same for a lot more reasons than just that though.
You could easily argue that feeling that you had to hide it from them could be selfish.
But this argument has existed for years.
To tell or not to tell? That is the question.
Essentially it goes to the whole situational is situational clause.
But the difference between telling someone and not telling someone could cost you your job, could cause a lawsuit...could really cause quite a few things I'd imagine.
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By Caitsith.Jessie 2011-02-17 14:22:19
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: I'm gonna be with Elan on this one. One of the 7 deadly sins is Sloth, which in lamens terms means to be lazy and be willing to fail at life. Sloth is broken up into two sub-sins, Acedia (neglect) and Despair. I'm sure most of you who suffer from depression would know the symptoms for Despair which ultimately leads to suicide. And according to God, harming your own body (which is His temple) is the most sinful thing man could do, which in the end leads to the worst kind of punishment in Hell. I really don't appreciate the idea that you have to suffer eternal damnation as an end result of trying to escape a world of anguish.
When everything in your life sucks so bad that the only possible conclusion that you can come up with is suicide, it's really not comforting to know that not only did you make every living person in your life miserable, but you just made your own soul miserable for eternity.
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-02-17 14:23:45
Bambi never committed suicide when his mommy was shot.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-02-17 14:32:18
Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Dear OP,
Tell your friend's carcass, at his funeral, that he is a dumbass. No girl is worth dying over. wait, he died over a girl?
That's not suicide, thats Natural Selection running its course. My guess from the OP's first sentence:
Raborn said: Recently had a friend commit suicide, Valentine's Day to be exact.
Either he got turned down by the girl of his dreams (who would probably use him for his money) or he got dumped or he was forever alone.
Honestly, people who kill themselves over anything are just morons. no, Natural Selection waited for V-Day to get his friend to kill himself.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-02-17 14:33:10
Titan.Wombat said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: I didnt mention anything about the bible. I was looking at the poet Dante's Divine Comedy poem. I've only read "Inferno" but it was surprisingly entertaining. From a strictly theological standpoint, it's a mess. Still, it's an entertaining mess.
Sort of like Constantine and End of Days, which were mentioned earlier. I started to read it, but I had to do some work. I will print it out and read it later.
By sefalon 2011-02-17 14:33:11
I don't believe in god ...when you die your just dead. The concept of hell is to scare you into being good person so people of power can control you. Why would the devil punish you for doing bad things you are one of his boys. God is a bitter person last I check the devil is not out writing books about god and telling him what a jerk he is.
True story my sister boyfriend shot himself 6 months after she broke up with him then 6MON later his mom hung herself and to top it off the dad drank himself to death few. Years later. My sister is now and probably forever on meds for depression.
Recently had a friend commit suicide, Valentine's Day to be exact.
What's the deal with our youth today?
Is it really that bad?
What causes us to mentally cock block ourselves into believing we can't escape the way we currently live?
What makes us believe things will never change or get better?
Personally I'm just plain tired of this. I'm fed the fuck up with it.
So give me your thoughts on suicide / experiences with people who have died on you and how it impacted you.
Personally I'm pretty shook up by it, his parents and sister are devastated. His niece and nephew are too young to understand at this point but will be impacted by it.
Why take everything you have when all you and those around you have is to lose?
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