Is Skill Even A Factore Anymore?

would you rather they not do it in the first place? ;)
/wave

That's true and /wave!

I personally haven't went to abyssea for that specific reason that my skill is under leveled.
that and i'm a big ole slowpoke stoner-poner.

I mean really, there is underskilled. Then there is really underskilled! To the point your doing 1s and 0s, and you have to be honest. Thats in the Lv70 WSNM quest range skill. I joined a party today with 2 of them. Anywho, abyssea was just 1 example. Imagin trying to do some tough seal NMs with people who think it's ok to use them... That's just a slap, what's going through your mind! Type thing.

I'd be getting pissed if I were hitting 1's and 0's.
I'll eventually take my galka legs to abyssea, but I'mma just let some stones build up for now because I got that all ready to go pretty late after the release.

I'd be embarrassed if I hit for like 20 dmg at lvl 90.

Good thing I don't play DD jobs, all my non magic skills are like 150ish ^^;

This is my point and why i posted this thread. But now it seems my gear is under attack. D'oh well!

Just because someone isn't an experienced end-gamer, it doesn't mean that they are an inexperienced player. Every game is going to have their share of high level noobs who really don't have a clue as to what they're doing, and the only way to fight against that is to either teach them the proper techniques, or kick them out of whatever party you're in. That is sadly unavoidable. I disagree with the statement made that going through regular xp parties to get to endgame doesn't help your skill progression. You get a whole lot of practice against different types of mobs, not just colibris, and and that teaches you different tactics that you wouldn't learn by sitting in Abyssea.

Anyway, I wasn't referring to developing endgame skills, I was referring to developing the basic skills that you need in order to develop endgame skills. Sitting in Abyssea and not doing ANYTHING is harmful to those people who actually want to take the time to develop real skills, and whether you agree with me or not, the truth is that getting XP in the more traditional sense WILL help develop the basic skills you need in order to learn endgame tactics.

Don't think for a minute that SE couldn't change the level cap to enter Abyssea if enough people wanted them to. They took the level cap off of COP areas to make things easier for players, why wouldn't they adjust the Aby min. level to make things harder? Coulda shoulda woulda doesn't really apply to an online game when patches are so easy to introduce and changes can be made with relative ease.

Again, though, the bigger problem that I have with Abyssea is the lack of people wanting to do anything anywhere else, thus giving generations of new players one really tough choice: either level in Abyssea and stay a noob forever, or quit the game entirely out of frustration. There is no reason they can't up the level in Abyssea so that it focuses on endgame, which is what it's supposed to be about anyway.

What is skill?
Can I smn burn to get some?

A "skilled" player is an experienced player. 'Nuff said.

there needs to be more said!
:D

This guy always makes me laugh.

LOL

Oh, skilled players can also spell factor. Thats right, I went there OP.

I thought this thread was about actual skill ie dark, elemental, enfeb, etc....Not about gear and player skill. Prob is it takes A LOT of time to do these things, and that in my opinion is why no one does it. That and the astral candescence is taken daily on shiva so easy skill is harder to come by. (magic) Unless you get a group of friends who are bored enough to come skill with you in the tree...

I certainly don't consider myself elistist at all, and am very easy-going, so I tend to think (perhaps naively) that even underskilled players would take it on themselves to skill up a bit later after some Abyssean "power-leveling".

That being said, it is annoying when players are tasked with something relating to their "preferred job" (i.e. the one they want to bring to fight NMs or something important) and they can't do the responsiblity they are taking on. Examples would be DDs that say "Oh sorry I can't do that WS because I didn't quest it" or opt out of being responsible for a WS because their skill level in that A or B skill is too low....or a BLU that is requested to be responsible to do a yellow-!!-trigger, but opts out because they never got the spell.

But again, I give the benefit of the doubt in the hopes that next time (pick-up party or LS event or whatever) that these individuals will take it on themselves to at least get these functions germane to their job duties cleared out during their free time, out of a sense of teamwork--even if they might consider skilling up or spell collection to be a low personal priority otherwise. ;_;

It can mean both. Skilled players really should have their job skills capped. Am I wrong?

So very wrong, only the truly skilled players leech all their jobs in abyssea so their ffxiah rating goes up.

I am by no means a Nazi when it comes to having job skills capped. I know how hard it is to get every skill for every job up to cap. However, people should take enough pride in their character to have their skills at least close to the cap, and should be able to understand and perform the duties required of their particular job. Wouldn't it be better for players to at least get most of their levels the hard way and learn most of those duties, than just sit in abyssea and try to solo/duo/trio their skills up to cap later? Maybe you get the job skills eventually, but you don't really learn anything about how to play that job.

That comment officially makes you fail. Go spar with other people in threads that actually welcome crap.

lol

One exception, of course, is monks. All you do with monk is point your fists at it, hit it, ws, repeat. Nobody needs actual skill for that lol.

I very much agree to that, but people have to actually want to support that event they are in. Keep in mind if your joining an event while being underskilled, you (not you personally) are undercutting the actual performance of everyone, the group as a whole that's with you. It's a matter of whether you want to be considerate of others or not as well. Not selfish reasons.

I very much agree to that, but people have to actually want to support that event they are in. Keep in mind if your joining an event while being underskilled, you (not you personally) are undercutting the actual performance of everyone, the group as a whole that's with you. It's a matter of whether you want to be considerate of others or not as well. Not selfish reasons.[/quote]

I am in total agreement, but i'm talking about only a few levels, like having skills comparable to a level 87 character as opposed to your 90 job level. Maybe you're not doing the absolute best, but you can still be a major contributor as long as you know what you're doing.

Yea that's ok. I mean if you arnt that far off cap at all. That's totally acceptable. By all means. That's why people get invited from 75 to 90 into Abyssea partys. I guess it's just, well for example today I was invited to a party with this Lv90 DRG, weilding a Pole of Trials. Hitting for 0s and most of the time not even landing any hits. So, I'm wondering.. How is that not wrong?

That's kinda iffy iffy then though. If that person might have had been using the right atmas, or using Stalwarts or whatever. They would be hitting for more then 0s and landing more hits. Guess it goes like you said. It can become acceptable, just as long as they know what they are doing.

90% of the players I play with in pick up exp/seal farm or what not, let them be on WHM or MNK and give them someone else of the other job with the same skill and lacklustre brain and they couldn't duo the easiest of things - I am certain of this, so yes skill is still a factor.

Are there tons of above mentioned people out there with great gear? Yes.
Is that any different than the last 6 years?
No.

One of these is his gaming console, can you guess?


Live by the game die by the game.


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Real skill - Teaching your *** hamster to play FOR you while you are out.


And there's always this too:

Not that I don't like the subject but why ask the same question over and over again about why this and that... It gets old =\