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 Bahamut.Bojack
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2009-11-10 14:16:19
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Just judging by the stats, what do you think? To me it definitely does look better than the AJ at least. I'm trying to get an Askar Body, but currently my luck with Floor 80 boss is extremely horrible so thinking of 'upgrading' to this new breastplate when it's origin is known. Thoughts?
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2009-11-10 14:18:29
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Thrakon Breastplate > Scorpion Harness and Scorpion Harness > Assault Jerkin most of the time, so ~

Just use Rose Strap to 6hit with until Askar/Aurum bodies.
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By Remora.Ninian 2009-11-10 14:18:42
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It's better. AJ is awful and you should feel awful, etc. GL getting it~
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2009-11-10 14:25:58
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Thanks for making me feel awful lol.
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By Remora.Ninian 2009-11-10 14:27:09
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Ahahahahah my pleasure~ Seriously though get a Scorp harness before an AJ. Plus they're hideous. Accuracy > Attack in pretty much every situation.
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By Bahamut.Leonelf 2009-11-11 05:06:33
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Remora.Ninian said:
Ahahahahah my pleasure~ Seriously though get a Scorp harness before an AJ. Plus they're hideous. Accuracy > Attack in pretty much every situation.

Not when the job already has a +20Acc Job Trait
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By Sylph.Oxbloodravenxo 2009-11-11 05:45:26
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Thrk. Breastplate
Scorpion Harness
Assault Jerkin

Hmm i would say, Thk. Breastplate>SH>AJ

Imo.
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By Ramuh.Whypaul 2009-11-11 05:51:24
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The only situation where i can think that the SH is better than AJ is for solo (even then there are better pieces than SH for that). Other than that AJ beats SH hands down. DRG dont need as much accuracy as other jobs and can therefore pile more attack.

I'm not convinced this is better than the AJ personally, ATT does alot for Penta Thrust. I've got a feeling from seeing what other gear does to penta that the 7att and 3str/dex wont do any more if not slightly less damage than the AJ. But to be honest i suppose that all comes down to gear sets that the DRG themselves have, Its certainly not a bad choice and when i found out where to get it i'll try and grab it if i got time and test out in comparison to the AJ.

I certainly dont think its worth rushing out to get though to replace AJ. Thats just my opinion.
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By Bismarck.Saleam 2009-11-11 05:58:44
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I would say it's better then AJ. As 75 drg with no rare/ex (like askar ect) AJ kinda sucks =\ I think I had it macro'd. It's been a while since I played. Especially if you can synergy/augment thrakon.


I think I used Hydra mail full time more then AJ (My reason for skipping barone entirely was that AJ>barone and I still kind of believe that. Plus Hydra was the same price at the time and I felt just as cool)
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-11-11 06:03:30
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DRG has ACC Bonus II, which adds up to 22 ACC, yes.

But considering DRG in general is forced to use lower-quality gear, if a DRG and a SAM were to use the exact same quality of gear, DRG would still be less accurate.

ACC bonus II is not an excuse to not bother with ACC gear. Scorpion Harness is better than Assault Jerkin, but of course Thrakon Breastplate is better than both.
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By Sierran 2009-11-11 06:17:49
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Zahak's Mail/Askar > custom Nuevo > Thrakon Breastplate

basicly its not that good
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By Kujata.Argettio 2009-11-11 06:28:19
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Sierran said:

Zahak's Mail/Askar > custom Nuevo > Thrakon Breastplate

basicly its not that good


You missed out aurum, but yes its pretty low on the list.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2009-11-11 07:39:09
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People saying DRG doesn't need acc - are you capping accuracy with

1. Blitz Ring
2. Walahra Turban
3. Forager's Mantle
4. Stronger food (if applicable... Pizza is generally pretty beastly, but if you can swing Red Curry or something...)

If not, you want more accuracy!
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-11 08:02:12
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
People saying DRG doesn't need acc - are you capping accuracy with

1. Blitz Ring
2. Walahra Turban
3. Forager's Mantle
4. Stronger food (if applicable... Pizza is generally pretty beastly, but if you can swing Red Curry or something...)

If not, you want more accuracy!

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By Garuda.Kyree 2009-11-11 08:27:26
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I usually go Hedgehog Pie, Pizza was unimpressive last I tried it.
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By Kujata.Argettio 2009-11-11 08:38:56
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Bahamut.Raenryong said:
People saying DRG doesn't need acc - are you capping accuracy with

1. Blitz Ring
2. Walahra Turban
3. Forager's Mantle
4. Stronger food (if applicable... Pizza is generally pretty beastly, but if you can swing Red Curry or something...)

If not, you want more accuracy!



What's with funky coloured bar/name Veg?

The made you and honorary moderator?
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-11-11 08:40:14
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This and This.
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By Kujata.Argettio 2009-11-11 08:46:25
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Siren.Enternius said:
This and This.


I skimmed the thread but missed that.

Incoming pages of half naked mmo players.... (I'm not sure Scragg thought this through)
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By Lakshmi.Aaroca 2009-11-11 09:51:17
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SH+1 wins when Attack is very high, or at lower levels of Accuracy. Under other circumstances, AJ almost always wins by a considerable margin of DoT.

However I would kill for this peice since my drg is 65 ; ;.
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By Remora.Oumura 2009-11-11 20:08:20
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Anyone find out where this thing comes from yet?
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2009-11-11 20:45:30
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Lakshmi.Aaroca said:
SH 1 wins when Attack is very high, or at lower levels of Accuracy. Under other circumstances, AJ almost always wins by a considerable margin of DoT.

However I would kill for this peice since my drg is 65 ; ;.

SH+1 is 4.5% hitrate minimum over Assault Jerkin (12acc - 3acc = 9acc, /2 = 4.5acc%), so let's assume it takes you from 90.5% => 95%.

4.5/90.5 = ~5% DoT/WS frequency.

So, since Attack on the TP phase purely influences TP phase damage, assuming a TP:WS damage ratio of 0.5, the Attack from AJ has to add 10% DoT damage to equal SH+1.

Ignoring level correction for now,

18/x = 0.1

so x = 180.

Therefore, whenever Attack > 180, AJ < SH+1.

But what if I don't need that accuracy! You cry.

What if you can still cap and add 1~2% Haste? Similar result.
What if you can still cap and use Forager's over Cuchulain's? Similar result.
What if you can still cap and use a stronger food? Similar result.

Etc. etc.
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By Fairy.Benevolentone 2009-11-11 20:57:47
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Aurum Cuirass is the best Body for DRG other than Homam Body for the most part.
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By Bismarck.Saleam 2009-11-11 21:01:52
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SH+1 is 4.5% hitrate minimum over Assault Jerkin (12acc - 3acc = 9acc, /2 = 4.5acc%), so let's assume it takes you from 90.5% => 95%.

4.5/90.5 = ~5% DoT/WS frequency.

So, since Attack on the TP phase purely influences TP phase damage, assuming a TP:WS damage ratio of 0.5, the Attack from AJ has to add 10% DoT damage to equal SH+1.

Ignoring level correction for now,

18/x = 0.1

so x = 180.

Therefore, whenever Attack > 180, AJ < SH+1.

But what if I don't need that accuracy! You cry.

What if you can still cap and add 1~2% Haste? Similar result.
What if you can still cap and use Forager's over Cuchulain's? Similar result.
What if you can still cap and use a stronger food? Similar result.

Etc. etc.



Feel like comparing Hydra mail to SH for me now :)?
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2009-11-11 21:05:52
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Hydra Mail has more acc so it wins :p
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By Shiva.Daimos 2009-11-11 21:11:52
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Now not agruing with Raenryong's DoT calculations, Going back to the OP's question of AJ vs Thrakon Brstplate. Coming from a 75 dragoon, I can tell you, at least againts level 82 greater colibri, during Weaponskills AJ will win for Penta thrust.
(Lv 75 With Assault Jerkin)
93 total STR vs 67 Vit
82 total DEX
421 attack vs 327 DEF

Damage =( D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP * PDIF
(94 + 7.5 + .83(18.6+16.4))*(1.0)*(421/327)
(94 + 7.5 + 29.05) * (1.2875)
130.55 * (1.2875)
168.07 (damage per hit of Penta)

(Lv 75 With Thrakon Breastplate)
96 total STR vs 67 VIT
85 total DEX
414 attack vs 327 DEF

(94 + 8.25 + .83(19.2+17) *(1.0)*(414/327)
(94 + 8.25 + 30.05) * (1.2661)
132.30 * (1.2661)
167.50 (damage per hit of Penta)

I'll be honest, I was shocked to see the numbers so close, and also a bit disappointed. Regardless, AJ will outperform Thrakon's against G.Colibri. I've done enough for now...

PS: This is all assuming Acc is capped, if not, stick to SH.


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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-11-11 21:31:18
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Shiva.Daimos said:
PS: This is all assuming Acc is capped, if not, stick to Thrakon Breastplate/SH/Hydra Mail
Quoting and sorta fixing the most important part, may depend on how easy it is to get.
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By Bismarck.Saleam 2009-11-11 21:33:32
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when you say Acc is capped are we talking about pole skill (merits as well) or...?
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By Shiva.Daimos 2009-11-11 21:33:45
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Damn I knew I screwed something up -.- Totally meant Thrakon too...
Bismarck.Saleam said:
when you say Acc is capped are we talking about pole skill (merits as well) or...?

I found it very difficult to get a 95% hit rate pre 8/8 polearm merits (sans sushi)
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-11-11 21:36:14
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Bismarck.Saleam said:
when you say Acc is capped are we talking about pole skill (merits as well) or...?
Merits, appropriate ACC/DEX gear, pizza if applicable. Capping ACC takes more than most people expect. Use FFXI Calculator to check how much you need. Level 82 Greater Colibri have 339 evasion, cap at 407 ACC iirc.
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2009-11-11 23:34:09
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Shiva.Daimos said:
Now not agruing with Raenryong's DoT calculations, Going back to the OP's question of AJ vs Thrakon Brstplate. Coming from a 75 dragoon, I can tell you, at least againts level 82 greater colibri, during Weaponskills AJ will win for Penta thrust.
(Lv 75 With Assault Jerkin)
93 total STR vs 67 Vit
82 total DEX
421 attack vs 327 DEF

Damage =( D fSTR WSC) * fTP * PDIF
(94 7.5 .83(18.6 16.4))*(1.0)*(421/327)
(94 7.5 29.05) * (1.2875)
130.55 * (1.2875)
168.07 (damage per hit of Penta)

(Lv 75 With Thrakon Breastplate)
96 total STR vs 67 VIT
85 total DEX
414 attack vs 327 DEF

(94 8.25 .83(19.2 17) *(1.0)*(414/327)
(94 8.25 30.05) * (1.2661)
132.30 * (1.2661)
167.50 (damage per hit of Penta)

I'll be honest, I was shocked to see the numbers so close, and also a bit disappointed. Regardless, AJ will outperform Thrakon's against G.Colibri. I've done enough for now...

PS: This is all assuming Acc is capped, if not, stick to SH.


What about Drakesbane? I think I'd prefer that on G.Colibris
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