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By DirectX 2019-01-12 12:31:00
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https://www.dezeen.com/2019/01/11/saw-slices-trump-steel-slat-mexico-border-wall/

Has this already been posted? Only Israel knows how to build good walls.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-01-12 13:21:48
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Didn't Trump want to use concrete, but it was the Democrats who have been forcing steel as a compromise?

Either way, no wall is indestructible. It's just disingenuous to call it a failure on Trump's part.
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By Viciouss 2019-01-12 14:01:36
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Didn't Trump want to use concrete, but it was the Democrats who have been forcing steel as a compromise?

Either way, no wall is indestructible. It's just disingenuous to call it a failure on Trump's part.

No, that's a lie that he has taken to. The Dems have never mentioned a steel wall, they haven't moved off their original position of no stupid wall of any kind. Trump didn't "compromise" on steel, he came up with it all in his own and lied about it being a Democrat request
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By DirectX 2019-01-12 14:10:25
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I thought it was a really stupid design before this was made available. Concrete walls with land mines a few feet underground, every couple of metres along the length of the wall to avoid tunnels is the way to go.
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By Viciouss 2019-01-12 14:14:38
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Lol that is never gonna happen. Land mines, really?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-01-12 15:15:39
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What fricking liberal media?



Media Maters.
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By Odin.Slore 2019-01-12 15:48:23
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Chanti,

I think this is more hypocrisy from the left. How many times has media gone off about Trumps language? They were so offended and made a big deal of it and now all of a sudden because a dem does it it's no big deal.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-01-12 18:35:18
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In across the pond news:

Labour set to call vote to topple Theresa May’s government

Opposition MPs told to get ready for no-confidence vote as top Tories admit they see no hope for PM’s Brexit deal

The Guardian

Slore in just what universe is member of congress saying *** worse than a member of congress defending white nationalism?

Do Republicans get an "oh that's just Steve" pass in the media?

And for extra points: Is this an example of liberal bias in the mainstream media? If so, please explain just how.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-01-12 18:39:56
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In what universe does one graph without context disprove the mountain of evidence of liberal bias in the media?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-01-12 20:44:47
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Holy freaking **** department:

Former CIA Agent Accuses Trump of Being a 'Traitor' Who 'Betrayed' America After New York Times Report
Newsweek.

Also, for Ravael:
Study: Hillary Clinton’s emails got as much front-page coverage in 6 days as policy did in 69
A stark finding from an analysis of New York Times coverage.

Vox

The oh so liberal NY Times did more to sink Hillary than any other print media.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-01-12 21:33:25
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Holy freaking **** department:

Trump has concealed details of his face-to-face encounters with Putin from senior officials in administration

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The constraints that Trump imposed are part of a broader pattern by the president of shielding his communications with Putin from public scrutiny and preventing even high-ranking officials in his own administration from fully knowing what he has told one of the United States’ main adversaries.

As a result, U.S. officials said there is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trump’s face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years. Such a gap would be unusual in any presidency, let alone one that Russia sought to install through what U.S. intelligence agencies have described as an unprecedented campaign of election interference....
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By Viciouss 2019-01-12 21:40:06
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Yea, expect some subpoenas for that nonsense. What is Trump hiding this time?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-01-12 21:56:55
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
The oh so liberal NY Times did more to sink Hillary than any other print media.

That's not because they're not liberals, it's because they're idiots. Just like the media in general is too dumb to notice that the constant, negative Trump coverage helped get him elected (and isn't exactly hurting him now either).
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-01-12 22:11:27
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Yea, expect some subpoenas for that nonsense. What is Trump hiding this time?

Who or what would they subpoena? If there are no records, and the interpreters are off limits for reasons of impartiality, what does that leave?

I am outraged that Trump would go out of his way to prevent ammunition from getting into the hands of the people who have been trying to destroy him. He owes them the meeting notes so that a CNN panel can spend 16 hours turning every word said in the meetings into proof of treason.
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By Viciouss 2019-01-12 22:21:16
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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Yea, expect some subpoenas for that nonsense. What is Trump hiding this time?

Who or what would they subpoena? If there are no records, and the interpreters are off limits for reasons of impartiality, what does that leave?

I am outraged that Trump would go out of his way to prevent ammunition from getting into the hands of the people who have been trying to destroy him. He owes them the meeting notes so that a CNN panel can spend 16 hours turning every word said in the meetings into proof of treason.

They can easily subpoena the interpreter and/or her notes. She isn't dead.
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By Ruaumoko 2019-01-13 00:03:06
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Brexit will not happen the way the far-right in Britain wants it to for a myriad of reasons. Theresa May's deal is literally the worst of both worlds and I honestly think she did it on purpose to force a second referendum with three options.

  • Leave the European Union with no deal.

  • Leave the European Union with Theresa May's deal.

  • Remain in the European Union.


Details below if you want them.

The second option won't happen either as it's intended to be voted down, which only leaves option three.

As for the Labour Party, they're also *** useless. Corbyn is a useless Marxist who even Bernie Sanders would look at and say "reel in in a bit". This mess can only be resolved by sensible, moderate Conservatives going to the nation and being brutally honest about the reality of the situation.
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By DirectX 2019-01-13 02:34:43
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Jeremy Corbyn is a moron. There is no way they can win an election anyway - what if he just ends up giving May a majority again, without the need for DUP support?
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By DirectX 2019-01-13 02:36:17
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Viciouss said: »
Lol that is never gonna happen. Land mines, really?
Why not? How else can you deter people from illegally entering your country?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-01-13 08:14:38
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Viciouss said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Viciouss said: »
Yea, expect some subpoenas for that nonsense. What is Trump hiding this time?

Who or what would they subpoena? If there are no records, and the interpreters are off limits for reasons of impartiality, what does that leave?

I am outraged that Trump would go out of his way to prevent ammunition from getting into the hands of the people who have been trying to destroy him. He owes them the meeting notes so that a CNN panel can spend 16 hours turning every word said in the meetings into proof of treason.

They can easily subpoena the interpreter and/or her notes. She isn't dead.

It wouldn't be "easy". Did you read the article? The purpose of an interpreter isn't to be a stenographer or record-keeper of everything that is said in a meeting, it's to be an impartial translator. That's it.

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Alarmed by the secrecy of Trump’s meeting with Putin, several lawmakers subsequently sought to compel Gross to testify before Congress about what she witnessed. Others argued that forcing her to do so would violate the impartial role that interpreters play in diplomacy. Gross was not forced to testify. She was identified when members of Congress sought to speak with her. The interpreter in Hamburg has not been identified.

You can't even get everyone on your side to agree that forcing an interpreter to testify is even legal. Good luck.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-01-13 09:11:15
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DirectX said: »
Viciouss said: »
Lol that is never gonna happen. Land mines, really?
Why not? How else can you deter people from illegally entering your country?
Won't help that much.

2/3 of our undocumented simply overstay their visas.
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By fonewear 2019-01-13 09:36:06
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Trump is a Russian spy...so am I. I'm the one who told Coca Cola New Coke would be a hit...
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By fonewear 2019-01-13 09:38:48
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Trump was using Russian salad dressing the other day...coincidence I think not !
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-01-13 10:02:51
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Ruaumoko said: »
Brexit will not happen the way the far-right in Britain wants it to for a myriad of reasons. Theresa May's deal is literally the worst of both worlds and I honestly think she did it on purpose to force a second referendum with three options.

  • Leave the European Union with no deal.

  • Leave the European Union with Theresa May's deal.

  • Remain in the European Union.


Details below if you want them.

The second option won't happen either as it's intended to be voted down, which only leaves option three.

As for the Labour Party, they're also *** useless. Corbyn is a useless Marxist who even Bernie Sanders would look at and say "reel in in a bit". This mess can only be resolved by sensible, moderate Conservatives going to the nation and being brutally honest about the reality of the situation.

So your saying they are deliberately trying to subvert an election? There won't be a "second referendum" as the decision has already been made, if your party doesn't win you don't get to call a "do over".

The first would be the best in the long term, the EU is but a fraction of the world and everyone else, along with the two largest economies, gets along just fine without them. Saying it would ruin the UK's economy is fear mongering and no different the claiming not being a christian would absolutely ruin a person's morality. What it will do is greatly impact the EU's economy and force the net contributing nations to pay more to the non-net member nations. The UK is the third largest net-contributor and detaching itself would free up quite a bit of cash to be used elsewhere.

What it boils down to is this, the political elite make a killing by being part of the EU, it's a system designed to enrich the ruling oligarchy. When they proposed the question they never thought the population would vote to leave. Ever since the leave vote happened the same ruling elite has been doing everything it can to circumvent that ruling.

And aren't you living in New Zealand? Didn't know NZ was part of the EU, wait it's not. Holy ***how can you survive being in the post apocalyptic nightmare that is not living in a EU member state? How can NZ possibly survive without that unified market and Brussels enforced trade laws? Don't you have to stand in food lines for hours? Tell us the utter horror of not being in the EU, we can make a Lifetime movie about it.
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By fonewear 2019-01-13 10:11:57
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Trump and Putin sitting in a tree K I S S I N G

First comes love second comes marriage third comes Russian collusion in a baby carriage !

WOOOO Democrats rule the world !!!!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-01-13 14:39:07
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Americans blame shutdown on Trump over Democrats by wide margin, poll finds
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When asked, "Who do you think is mainly responsible for this situation?" 53 percent of Americans told pollsters they blamed Trump and congressional Republicans. A much smaller 29 percent blamed Democrats and another 13 percent said both sides were equally responsible. Four percent had no opinion....
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-01-13 18:06:15
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Americans blame shutdown on Trump over Democrats by wide margin, poll finds
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When asked, "Who do you think is mainly responsible for this situation?" 53 percent of Americans told pollsters they blamed Trump and congressional Republicans. A much smaller 29 percent blamed Democrats and another 13 percent said both sides were equally responsible. Four percent had no opinion....

And yet polls suggest that support for the wall is going up, which could mean that some people "blame" Trump for the shutdown but want him to succeed anyway.
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By Viciouss 2019-01-13 19:17:09
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The Democrat messaging strategy is working better than even they could expect, lie low and let the Trump admin hog all the airtime and self-destruct. They have an old white guy go out there with a smile on his face and say the furloughed workers are better off because they are on (unpaid) vacation without actually having to use their vacation time. That's brilliant.

Those initial poll numbers aren't going to change, a majority of the country will always oppose the wall and a majority will always blame Trump for his shutdown. Just open the government, we aren't building a wall.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-01-13 20:09:06
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Americans blame shutdown on Trump over Democrats by wide margin, poll finds
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When asked, "Who do you think is mainly responsible for this situation?" 53 percent of Americans told pollsters they blamed Trump and congressional Republicans. A much smaller 29 percent blamed Democrats and another 13 percent said both sides were equally responsible. Four percent had no opinion....
And yet polls suggest that support for the wall is going up, which could mean that some people "blame" Trump for the shutdown but want him to succeed anyway.
I noticed that too.

You might want to read Goebbels.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-01-13 20:32:27
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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Americans blame shutdown on Trump over Democrats by wide margin, poll finds
USA Today
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When asked, "Who do you think is mainly responsible for this situation?" 53 percent of Americans told pollsters they blamed Trump and congressional Republicans. A much smaller 29 percent blamed Democrats and another 13 percent said both sides were equally responsible. Four percent had no opinion....
And yet polls suggest that support for the wall is going up, which could mean that some people "blame" Trump for the shutdown but want him to succeed anyway.
I noticed that too.

You might want to read Goebbels.

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And we had gone so long without a Godwin.
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