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How Much Gil from Ambuscade?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Senaki 2018-07-11 15:55:15
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Hello everyone,

So I was just wondering if anyone knows this... If you buy all the currencies from Ambuscade that you can in a month, and then proceed to sell all of them, what's the average gil that you will make? I realize that each market is different per server, but I'm sure someone already did the math on this before.

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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2018-07-11 16:12:41
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This is an impossible task. First, it rotates every three months to where you can get different amounts of certain currency. Not only will this change the math in a static economy, but with the amount being put into circulation varying greatly, so does price.

Second, campaigns that month could severely affect prices. HTBF, voidwatch, and dynamis campaigns having incredible affect on volume in the market.

You may still ask for numbers, but even when the price of something like riftcinder on a backwater server like leviathan can go from 1mil to 300k in under 2 months, how can we give you answers?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-07-11 16:31:17
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~31m from hallmarks (you should never get scoria/marrows but w/e)
Can't remember what's in gallantry other than 2 cinder 2 dross (+1.8m) it's gain-money and I'm not going to look right now.
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By Odin.Kealoha 2018-07-11 16:34:40
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Celebrindal is correct. Senaki you should probably rephrase your question to THIS month (on your server).
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By Odin.Drakenv 2018-07-11 16:59:36
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Odin.Kealoha said: »
Celebrindal is correct. Senaki you should probably rephrase your question to THIS month (on your server).
Facts.
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By Odin.Spoiled 2018-07-11 17:00:08
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Let's assume of of Odin's prices, and you not farming more than 75k/month (You can totally farm more but this is just using the "big 3" gil makers from Ambuscade, without accounting for Gallantry. It's not hard to do the math yourself)

26,000 Hallmarks Alex = @ 400,000/stack 17 stacks = 6.8m
20,000 Hallmarks HMP = @ 5.5m /stack 1 stack = 5.5m
26,250 Hallmarks HPB = @ 650k / stack = 4.5m

Which would be a grand total of 18m from the "Big 3" Hallmark:Gil items after farming -roughly- 72k Hallmarks.

Gallantry is another story as it changes on a monthly basis, but just do the math using BG's ambuscade reward page.
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By Cerberus.Boogs 2018-07-11 19:22:48
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If you ever read Calvin and Hobbes, the answer is that it's at least 75 cents.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Coronos 2018-07-17 15:28:04
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
(you should never get scoria/marrows but w/e)

Why is that? Legit question.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-07-17 15:34:36
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Quetzalcoatl.Coronos said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
(you should never get scoria/marrows but w/e)

Why is that? Legit question.

Well, the long and short of it is they cost too many damn hallmarks. The hallmarks:gil ratio is just terrible.

Alex is 15:5k (333 gil per hallmark)
Scoria is 50,000:5m~ (100 gil per hallmark)
Marrow is 30,000:1m (33 gil per hallmark)

Now... if you're mercing VD or just *** LOVE AMBUSCADE! then you should go ahead and grab them instead of wasting hallmarks, but yeah.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2018-07-17 15:37:13
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Quetzalcoatl.Coronos said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
(you should never get scoria/marrows but w/e)

Why is that? Legit question.


analyze the hallmark/gil ratio of each thing you buy. With today's prices for scoria/marrow, there is no way that it works out to be an efficient use of your hallmarks.

Or, look at it this way- what is the value on your server of 50k hallmarks worth of Alexandrite,Heavy Metal,H-P Bayld, and one of these three- plutons/beits/boulders (just guessing that should be "close" to 50k, those 4 things). Then see what the selling value of all these things is. If its more than a scoria or marrow, then you're losing gil on buying scorias/marrows with hallmarks.

EDIT: clearly Eiryl and I were typing at the same time, he's just a helluva lot faster ;)
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By Afania 2018-07-18 11:32:05
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Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »
there is no way that it works out to be an efficient use of your hallmarks.

Not if you have nothing else to buy :)

Before wave 3 relese there were serious lack of fun and challenging content that we ended up VD everytime we log on since queue time is very low here anyways.... had 210k hallmark playing very very casually at that time, and someone in my group brought everything including both marrow and scoria, then continue to VD after he absolutely run out of currency to buy. Just because he had nothing else to do in game.

Wave 3 kinda fixed this issue though. I only play with groups 2 to 3 days so serious endgame content like wave 3 took all my time allocated for ffxi. Only 60k hallmark so far. I probably wont even hit 100k this month.
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By fonewear 2018-07-18 11:52:53
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I would just pretend to be a woman and have men buy things for me...no Ambu required !
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By Odin.Drakenv 2018-07-18 13:15:08
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fonewear said: »
I would just pretend to be a woman and have men buy things for me...no Ambu required !
:0 rude!
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By kishr 2018-07-18 13:47:11
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35mil a month range. Depends on server.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Coronos 2018-07-18 14:27:50
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fonewear said: »
I would just pretend to be a woman and have men buy things for me...no Ambu required !

"HEY WANNA BE IN INTERNET GF? I GIVE YOU GIL TO BILD YAGRUSH AND GALAHORN. PLZ BE MY ONLY WHM AND BRD PLZ. CYBER? OK."

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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-07-18 14:49:17
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I really miss the good ol drama about "random (female*)" e-blowing "random totally not loser" for "awesome gear of amazingness"

Remember when the game used to be fun, pepperidge farm remembers.
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-07-18 16:32:19
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Quetzalcoatl.Senaki said: »
what's the average gil that you will make?

It is possible to come up with an AVG per month contrary to what was mentioned.

A quick look to AH markets over a 12 Months period for prices you can guesstimate the AVG per item then multiply it by the number of Items occurrence per monthly event then divide total by 12..

[Based on memory] Four Types of events in 12 Months happen to Gallantry and HM Stones +2 based on REM Theme.

Empy Month: X3


150 HMP [AVG 55k] = 8.25M and 30k HM+G needed
5 Dross [AVG 270k]= 1.35M and 7.5k HM+G needed
5 Cinder [AVG 510k]= 2.55M and 7.5k HM+G needed
250 Boulders [AVG 4.2k]X3= 3.15M and 37.5k HM+G needed

500 Beits [AVG 4.8k]= 2.4M and 25k HM needed
500 Plutons [AVG 4.4k]= 2.2M and 25k HM needed
1750Alex [AVG 4.6k]= 8.05M and 26.25k HM needed
1 Scoria [AVG 3.6M] and 50k HM needed
1 Marrow [AVG 790k] and 30k HM needed
450 single dyna [AVG 3k]= 1.35M and 9k HM needed
6 100 Dyna [AVG 320k]= 1.92M and 12k HM needed
750 HPB [AVG 6.5k]= 4.875M and 26.25k HM needed

Total= 40.455M X 3= 121.365M and 286k HM+G needed per Month


Dyna Month: X3


75X3 Single Currency [AVG 3k]X3 = 2.025M and 13.5k HM+G needed
1X3 100 Currency [AVG 320k]X3 = 7.11M and 6k HM+G needed
1 Marrow [AVG 790k]X2 = 1.58M and 30k HM+G needed
250 Plutons [AVG 4.4k]X3 = 3.3M and 37.5k HM+G needed

500 Beits [AVG 4.8k]= 2.4M and 25k HM needed
500 Boulders [AVG 4.2k]= 2.1M and 25k HM needed
1750Alex [AVG 4.6k]= 8.05M and 26.25k HM needed
1 Scoria [AVG 3.6M] and 50k HM needed
750 HPB [AVG 6.5k]= 4.875M and 26.25k HM needed
100 HMP [AVG 55k] = 5.5M and 20k HM needed

Total= 40.54M X 3= 121.62M and 261.5k HM+G needed per month


Mythic Month: X3


875X3 Alex [AVG 4.6k]=12.075M and 39.375k HM+G needed
2 Scoria [AVG 3.6M]= 7.2M and 100k HM+G needed
250x3 Beits [AVG 4.8k]=3.6M and 37.5k HM+G needed

500 Boulders [AVG 4.2k]=2.1M and 25k HM needed
500 Plutons [AVG 4.4k]= 2.2M and 25k HM needed
1 Marrow [AVG 790k] and 30k HM needed
450 single dyna [AVG 3k]= 1.35M and 9k HM needed
6 100 Dyna [AVG 320k]= 1.92M and 12k HM needed
750 HPB [AVG 6.5k]= 4.875M and 26.25k HM needed
100 HMP [AVG 55k] = 5.5M and 20k HM needed

Total= 41.61M X 3= 124.83M and 324.125k HM+G needed per month


Ergon Month X3


1125 HPB [AVG 6.5k]= 7.313M and 39.375k HM+G needed
250X3 Beits [AVG 4.8k]= 3.6M and 26.25k HM+G needed
130 Stone +2 [AVG 40k]= 5.2M and 26k HM+G needed

500 Boulders [AVG 4.2k]= 2.1M and 25k HM needed
500 Plutons [AVG 4.4k]= 2.2M and 25k HM needed
1750Alex [AVG 4.6k]= 8.05M and 26.25k HM needed
1 Scoria [AVG 3.6M]and 50k HM needed
1 Marrow [AVG 790k]and 30k HM needed
450 single dyna [AVG 3k]=1.35M and 9k HM needed
6 100 Dyna [AVG 320k]= 1.92M and 12k HM needed
100 HMP [AVG 55k] = 5.5M and 20k HM needed

Total= 41.6M X 3= 124.87M and 288.875k HM+G needed per month


AVG Monthly Income= [124.87+124.83+121.62+121.365]/12=492.685/12=41M



Thats if you sell Everything, to me I will just stick with HMP and ALex..
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-07-18 16:39:37
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Speaking of though, that monthly distribution is not 3/3/3/3 the +2 stones have only ever appeared (twice?) in the 27(?) months?
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By Leviathan.Katriina 2018-07-18 16:42:04
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Yeah I only added stones because they occurred, you can skip that added 5.2M in 12 months if you wish and it would probably fall down to 40.6M
In regards to Monthly REM rotation it can be confirmed later if we keep track, yet the variations between them are quite marginal.

Edit: Also forgot to add HMP to each non empy month fixed post above.
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By Candlejack 2018-07-18 16:59:16
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It fluctuates. Even if someone definitively nails down a "maximum expected number for x server" (x being the given server name), it will still vary on a monthly basis due to the availability of currencies (how much you can get from Ambu, whether or not there's a campaign affecting a certain currency group, etc). It's a lot like how TF2 was a few years ago when high-tier unusual hats trading used Keys, Earbuds, and Bills hats. Earbuds and Bills Hats prices fluctuated so much from month to month, that earbuds, which at one time had an assigned cost of 2 keys, could even go for as little as one scrap metal. Eventually, TF2 traders got fed up, said "*** THAT ***", and dropped using Buds and Bills for trading. Nowadays, it's "pure", meaning Keys and Metal (Refined, Reclaimed, Scrap), with three scrap making one Reclaimed, three Reclaimed making a Refined Metal, and sixteen Refined Metals making one Key in accordance with TF2's crafting menu. Logically most MMO games, from shooters like TF2 to RPGs like FFXI, have similar fluctuating economies ruling the secondary primarily player-driven market.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2018-07-18 17:28:39
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