Crobaci +2 Vs Ragnarok 119

Language: JP EN DE FR
New Items
2023-11-19
users online
Forum » FFXI » Jobs » Dark Knight » crobaci +2 vs ragnarok 119
crobaci +2 vs ragnarok 119
First Page 2
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2014-03-13 17:37:40
| Edit  | Link | Quote | Reply
 
Post deleted by User.
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2014-03-13 17:42:55
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Quote | Reply
 
Post deleted by User.
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2014-03-13 17:47:51
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Quote | Reply
 
Post deleted by User.
Offline
Posts: 340
By Ravenn42 2014-03-13 17:50:08
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Bismarck.Vize said: »
we was not in the same party but was supposed to be getting the same buffs think i was not hasted at all times cant be 100% sure

i was wsing at 100tp as much as i could except when hit with knockback moves

I think you just answered your own question
 Odin.Jassik
VIP
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Jassik
Posts: 9534
By Odin.Jassik 2014-03-13 17:51:10
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Mathematically, Rag should have the advantage, if you're falling behind by a significant amount, instead of looking to SE to upgrade your weapon, figure out why you are falling behind: Gear, playstyle, latency, positioning, etc.

edit: one other thing to consider is that Tojil has shifting damage resistances. If the other guy got lucky with multi-attacks and got off a few extra WS between 50 and 25%, you'd have a hell of a hard time catching up in the remaining phase.
[+]
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2014-03-13 18:02:36
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Quote | Reply
 
Post deleted by User.
 Odin.Jassik
VIP
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Jassik
Posts: 9534
By Odin.Jassik 2014-03-13 18:03:31
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Bismarck.Vize said: »
i think its the 40dmg more the crobaci +2 has over relic that is causing the diff

You can think anything you want, or you can focus on doing your job the best you can.
[+]
 Lakshmi.Saevel
Offline
Server: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2228
By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-03-13 18:26:54
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Bismarck.Vize said: »
i think its the 40dmg more the crobaci +2 has over relic that is causing the diff

Nope. Rag has a 2.5x damage proc that happens on 13% of it's swings along with a 14% crit rate increase. It also swings about 16% faster. I have a Crobaci +2 with 268 DMG amongst some other pretty awesome augments and Rag tends to beat it in total DPS. The Crobaci +2 with +10% WS DMG will obviously have bigger resolutions but Rag will have significantly higher melee DPS.
[+]
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2014-03-13 18:32:00
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Quote | Reply
 
Post deleted by User.
 Bismarck.Inference
Offline
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
user: Inference
Posts: 417
By Bismarck.Inference 2014-03-13 18:33:50
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Odin.Jassik said: »
If the other guy got lucky with multi-attacks and got off a few extra WS between 50 and 25%, you'd have a hell of a hard time catching up in the remaining phase.

To follow this up: on something with as many changing variables as a Delve boss, even with the best gear, you will not win every single parse without question. You aren't even guaranteed to beat someone as your same class that you outgear even if you are playing similarly. Obviously there are a lot of factors that both you, and anyone else reading this aren't aware of and that's probably where you should start on improving because other than just perhaps parse luck you should know without a doubt why you are losing and if you did something wrong/lost buffs etc if you expect to play DD well.

Edit: since you posted about WS, as everyone else has said Rag's WS aren't going to compare. Most relics have substantially lower damage values than other 119 options, as intended by SE. They make up as better overall DPS options usually due to their other utilities.
[+]
 Asura.Ccl
Offline
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
user: ccl
Posts: 1995
By Asura.Ccl 2014-03-13 18:34:18
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Spreadsheet say Crobaci +2 beat rag. Unless you need like acc ? (you don't on tojil) and that's just giving crobaci 260 dmg, nothing else.

Maybe my rag gearset is out of date! but I didn't even try to optimize crobaci+2 gear set!
 Lye
Offline
Posts: 1721
By Lye 2014-03-13 18:36:03
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Do you play on console Vize?
 Shiva.Siral
Offline
Server: Shiva
Game: FFXI
user: Siral
Posts: 193
By Shiva.Siral 2014-03-13 18:36:31
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Bismarck.Vize said: »
i am talkin about ws dmg here not white dmg

Seriously just toss your Ragnarok. People keep telling you the same thing over and over and you just refuse to listen.

You lost a parse, there can be a bunch of factors why, it doesn't mean crobaci +2 is better.

In perfect settings:

Crobaci +2 will give you higher ws damage,
but Ragnarok will win the parse.
[+]
 Lakshmi.Feint
Offline
Server: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
user: feint2021
Posts: 332
By Lakshmi.Feint 2014-03-13 18:40:36
Link | Quote | Reply
 
SE needs release equipment that increases a player's skill level.
[+]
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2014-03-13 18:41:01
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Quote | Reply
 
Post deleted by User.
 Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai
Offline
Server: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
user: Starkzz
Posts: 1899
By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2014-03-13 18:44:50
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Guys, he's talking about WS dmg here. What else even like, matters?
[+]
 Asura.Ccl
Offline
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
user: ccl
Posts: 1995
By Asura.Ccl 2014-03-13 18:46:03
Link | Quote | Reply
 
What gear set are you guys using to spreadsheet ragnarok as better than crobaci+2?
 Odin.Jassik
VIP
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Jassik
Posts: 9534
By Odin.Jassik 2014-03-13 18:49:01
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Asura.Ccl said: »
Spreadsheet say Crobaci +2 beat rag. Unless you need like acc ? (you don't on tojil) and that's just giving crobaci 260 dmg, nothing else.

Maybe my rag gearset is out of date! but I didn't even try to optimize crobaci+2 gear set!

I just got the same result, mostly, but it wasn't by much and rag won slightly depending on buffs.

Edit: that is assuming the WSD is not applied to all hits, it seems it is still up in the air.
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2014-03-13 20:35:16
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Quote | Reply
 
Post deleted by User.
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2014-03-13 20:55:58
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Quote | Reply
 
Post deleted by User.
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2014-03-13 21:07:40
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Quote | Reply
 
Post deleted by User.
 Lakshmi.Zerowone
Offline
Server: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
user: Zerowone
Posts: 6949
By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-13 22:56:32
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Do you happen to know the person using the Crobaci+2's WS set? Also what their augments are?
Offline
Posts: 43
By Zaeeth 2014-03-14 00:19:58
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Hello fellow DRKs, I'm Vize's friend/rival/nemesis.

My Crobaci +2 has the following:
+23 base damage, making my Crobaci 268 base dmg; +7 Attack, +2 Store TP;


Below are my sets
TP no Last Resort
ItemSet 320829
TP with Last Resort
ItemSet 320830
WS Resolution
ItemSet 320831

The parse Vize is talking about was:
301,552 (MNK well geared oats)
236,671 (MNK well geared oats)
235,322 Zaeeth (Me)
198,593 (MNK Spharai)
159,247 Vize (DRK Ragnarok)
124,997 DRG (Upukirex)

Today's Torjil parse was:
258,432 Zaeeth
212,650 (MNK well geared oats)
206,004 (MNK well geared oats)
179,418 Vize on MNK with oats
171,990 DRG (Upukirex)
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2014-03-14 01:42:08
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Quote | Reply
 
Post deleted by User.
 Asura.Backstab
Offline
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
user: backstab
Posts: 256
By Asura.Backstab 2014-03-14 01:53:22
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Crobaci+2 does beat rag by a small margin in most situations, all the people saying that rag is better also jump on the ninzas+2 boat saying that its the best dps option just because its base dmg/delay make it seem so.

You lost parse by a huge amount tho which has obviously nothing to do with the wep, you could prolly both have the same wep and you would still loose just like in the 2nd parse. ignorance is defo not gonna help.
[+]
 Leviathan.Lsvtec
Offline
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: Freazer
Posts: 23
By Leviathan.Lsvtec 2014-03-14 02:13:18
Link | Quote | Reply
 
all i see is someone trying to justify losing a parse that dosent really matter?
 Carbuncle.Nynja
Offline
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
user: NynJa
Posts: 2217
By Carbuncle.Nynja 2014-03-14 02:14:37
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Bismarck.Vize said: »
i am talkin about ws dmg here not white dmg
Because white damage is irrelevant, its for beta 1handers, 2h jobs dont care about white damage, especially dark knights, because dark is black, and black is the opposite of white, so as a drk you cant look at white damage.


Yes, the extra 40 dmg on Crobaci+2 will cause higher WS damage, but ignoring white damage is a fkn stupid statement.
 Carbuncle.Sambb
Offline
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
user: Sambb
Posts: 334
By Carbuncle.Sambb 2014-03-14 02:38:24
Link | Quote | Reply
 
This thread is full of fail..... As per usual.
[+]
 Cerberus.Detzu
Offline
Server: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
user: Detzu
Posts: 869
By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-03-14 03:28:12
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Zaeeth said: »
Hello fellow DRKs, I'm Vize's friend/rival/nemesis.

My Crobaci +2 has the following:
+23 base damage, making my Crobaci 268 base dmg; +7 Attack, +2 Store TP;


Below are my sets
TP no Last Resort
ItemSet 320829
TP with Last Resort
ItemSet 320830
WS Resolution
ItemSet 320831

The parse Vize is talking about was:
301,552 (MNK well geared oats)
236,671 (MNK well geared oats)
235,322 Zaeeth (Me)
198,593 (MNK Spharai)
159,247 Vize (DRK Ragnarok)
124,997 DRG (Upukirex)

Today's Torjil parse was:
258,432 Zaeeth
212,650 (MNK well geared oats)
206,004 (MNK well geared oats)
179,418 Vize on MNK with oats
171,990 DRG (Upukirex)

Your DRKs are parsing too low. You're doing something wrong.
 
Offline
Posts:
By 2014-03-14 04:30:36
 Undelete | Edit  | Link | Quote | Reply
 
Post deleted by User.
First Page 2
Log in to post.